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Post by chadp56 on Feb 26, 2008 17:14:33 GMT -6
Think about what spot seems to be the most elusive, as far as filling it with a dominant player. I'm curious if you guys have the same issue as we do!
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Post by phantom on Feb 26, 2008 17:30:34 GMT -6
All of them. Dominant players don't come around that often.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 18:44:46 GMT -6
I voted Dback, but agree with Phantom overall.
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Post by lionhart on Feb 26, 2008 19:25:16 GMT -6
i would actually go in a different direction here.... how about placekicker? id say ive seen MAYBE one i would truly consider "dominant" at the h.s level in my time coaching.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 26, 2008 19:29:47 GMT -6
i voted qb, just because of the skill set/knowledge/leadership that goes into the position.
that being said the REAL (imo) answer is linemen, offense or defense.
250-300 lbs players with some level of skill, ie not a fat kid, don't grow on trees. at least not around here.
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Post by dubber on Feb 26, 2008 19:43:00 GMT -6
You don't even have my vote listed:
Tight End.
That is unequivocally the hardest position to be a stud at.....it takes a rare athlete who is that big and that versatile and that athletic.
It is easy to get a dominant run blocking TE
It is easy to get a dominant pass catching TE
It is very hard to find both qualities in one player.
Which is why an Air Raid TE is different from a Power-T TE......those pro-style (or any offense, it is just more essential to pro-style) who get "that guy" playing TE are TOUGH.
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Post by resnik77 on Feb 26, 2008 19:51:38 GMT -6
Dominant players don't come around very often, but O and D line are the hardest to find.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 26, 2008 20:27:25 GMT -6
DE
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Post by tiger46 on Feb 26, 2008 21:53:49 GMT -6
I agree with phantom. But, I'd kill for a dominant CB's and, I'm only a youth coach. The higher level I ever coached at; the more I'd want a dominant, B&R, CB.
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Post by carookie on Feb 26, 2008 22:07:07 GMT -6
I think a lot of this depends on what your run as well. I've taken guys who would be very good LB's for most and lined them up at DE, because for what I did it makes sense. I'd imagine for guys who run 5-wide on offense theyre putting that 4.4 guy in the slot; while the double wing guy may play him elsewhere.
That being written, I give my vote to the OL
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 26, 2008 22:12:16 GMT -6
I voted QB b/c in 10 years I have been around two, maybe three who could change a game.
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Post by coachlu on Feb 26, 2008 23:10:40 GMT -6
I haven't been coaching that long but I know this, my defense was never better then when I had that stud safety. A kid that plays like a LB but covers like a CB and can hit like a truck making plays from sideline to sideline. Theres alot of safeties that can do 1 or maybe 2 of the things described above [f they can do all of them you got something special.
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Post by coachorr on Feb 26, 2008 23:37:43 GMT -6
QB, because that is the spot, which not only encompasses all the measurables, but the intangibles as well and it is the one spot that can overly dictate what your offense will be like.
In our 35 scheme, the Free Safety is the next such kid.
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Post by chadp56 on Feb 27, 2008 7:24:48 GMT -6
I was thinkig offensive Tackle. I agree with pegleg who said it is tough to fnd a kid with that size who is aggressive and has good feet and all that. I've had a few solid ones, but I don't think I've coached a dominant one in 11 years of coaching. I have had one at most of the other positions.
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Post by coachsky on Feb 27, 2008 8:37:29 GMT -6
I haven't been able to find a dominant DT/NT.
I would like to find one that:
1. Always required a double team.
2. Caused an OC to give up running B-gap to B gap.
I've played against a dominant DT and I can tell you we were always worried about where that kid was aligned and whether or not he was going to disrupt the play we had called.
I've always been able to game plan away from a dominant DE, LB, CB, or SS. A dominant DT is in your grill all night.
I'm hoping to develop one. We have a 6-2 275 kid who has some decent speed. He played Guard for us a Sophomore and FB as a Freshman. He wrested this year and seems to be in much better shape and has finally learned how to be mean. He was always dominant in board drills as a Sophomore. But as an Olinman could be tentative because he could never remember his blocking assignments and was intimidated by older kids. . I have a ton of Oline beef to choose from this year so he becomes my 1 Tech.
Okay I am dreaming ...maybe
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Post by buchananm on Feb 27, 2008 9:53:05 GMT -6
You guys know of any dominant coaches?  |
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Post by coachorr on Feb 27, 2008 10:30:34 GMT -6
Coach Sky, I was just thinking wrestling when you started to describe this kid. I think that is one of the best ways to develop good linemen.
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Post by dubber on Feb 27, 2008 11:11:24 GMT -6
You guys know of any dominant coaches? Right HERE chef!!!!!     |
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Post by playmaker on Feb 29, 2008 13:16:56 GMT -6
Just me Personally, I haven't had a dominant TE in 10yrs as an OC.......although I think QB is #1, I've still found it tough to find a TE that is big and athletic enough to run, block and catch in a dominant fashion.
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Post by lochness on Feb 29, 2008 13:35:52 GMT -6
We've been able to find 1,000 yard rushers, big linemen, track-star receivers, disciplined LB's, athletic CB's, etc. etc...but we have a B!TCH of a time getting impact players at QB. I mean, don't get me wrong, we've had some above-average guys there...but we've never had that one guy with the full tool box, no matter what we do.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 29, 2008 16:24:55 GMT -6
Every program I've been involved with... has that one kid... that screams QB...
WR's are a dime a dozen... same with the RB's...
O'line... just have to be unselfish, and gluttons for punishment...
Defense however... well, being the MOST IMPORTANT PHASE of football... that's where you need your impact player... and no where is it harder to find... then at the 3 tech!
Stop the run, rush the pass... beat double teams...
Get a dominant 3 tech and your defense is made...
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Post by bluecrazy on Mar 1, 2008 8:25:02 GMT -6
Real tough call. I'd love a dominate Q.B., But give a d-tackle like the one we play against, for the last 2 years now, and he is a junior ::)and you have to adjust your game plan around him!
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 1, 2008 9:08:06 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but I don't think you have enough pieces on a H.S football team to really make a dominant QB "worthwhile" when compared to other positions. Now, if you have a QB who can throw and run, I feel that is much more powerful than being "dominant" at the HS level.
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Post by cc on Mar 1, 2008 10:55:15 GMT -6
What about Center??? Finding a really good DOMINANT center seems rare to me.
Also, finding a Dominant DB is rare as a true Dominant DB would be a pretty big kid but they always get pushed up to LBer. So that's why I voted for DB. I usually seem to have a pretty good to dominant QB. I guess it depends on HOW dominant a QB you are looking for.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 1, 2008 11:06:55 GMT -6
I voted QB, however, I did so for only one reason; I like to run option.
It's pretty easy to find an athletic kid, plug him in at QB and teach him to run option. But, because of practice time limitations and because of the speed I need at QB, I find it hard to get a blend of speed and a decent arm.
I can find a kid with some wheels, but then it take a while to develop his arm enough so that he can throw the deeper routes correctly.
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Post by kurtbryan on Mar 1, 2008 11:30:31 GMT -6
This may sound funny coming from a coach who loves to coach offense, BUT...to me the game of Football is similar to the game of Chess.
In Chess, to control the Center of the Board is to most often win the Match.
So...I would say to have a Dominant Middle Line Backer that can control the game between the Tackles would Trump everything else.
I have seen a lot of QB's, RB's and WR's shy away from taking a Big Hit from a kick butt MLB.
KB
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 1, 2008 12:13:29 GMT -6
Another thing to ask yourself is...is the reason that you don't find certain positions "dominant" at the HS level because WE DONT PUT the best players there in H.S. In HS, if you have a big strong fast player...he doesn't play TE. In HS, you don't play the SEC caliber corner at corner (or just corner) Your best lineman, doesn't play OL.
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Post by phantom on Mar 1, 2008 12:47:29 GMT -6
Another thing to ask yourself is...is the reason that you don't find certain positions "dominant" at the HS level because WE DONT PUT the best players there in H.S. In HS, if you have a big strong fast player...he doesn't play TE. In HS, you don't play the SEC caliber corner at corner (or just corner) Your best lineman, doesn't play OL. Good point. Somebody mentioned never having had a dominant center. We haven't either but that's by design. If we have a dominant OL we're going to play him at guard so that he can crunch 2-Is, reach 3 techs, pull and pick off LBs, and anchor against bull-rushers. |
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