JMC
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Post by JMC on Sept 22, 2006 6:52:52 GMT -6
I know this should go under the rules but you have to hear this one and then give me your input also anyone who has a rules book please post the rule here we go:
We had a touchdown pass off of a half back pass called back for illegal formation. We lined up in wishbone with our split end over the TE and covered the TE up because the spit end had to line-up on the ball. We threw a half back pass to the split end that Tight end stayed in and blocked and did not go down field. Here is what the offical told me "That is an illegal formation because you covered the Tight End." I explained that even though he was covered we knew he was not an eligible receiver and that is why he stayed in and blocked. He said "That does not matter it is an illegal formation you can run out of it, but not throw out of it." Tell me i'm not crazy and this guy is an idiot.
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Post by superpower on Sept 22, 2006 7:15:53 GMT -6
The guy is, indeed, an idiot. You can run or throw out of that formation, and he is making this stuff up as he goes. Too many officials watch college and NFL games on the weekends and then assume that the same rules apply to high school. The sad thing is that at least one of the other members of the crew should have known the rule and they should have discussed it and gotten it correct. IDIOT!
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Post by gunslinger on Sept 22, 2006 7:28:07 GMT -6
Superpower is right. Covering the TE is an NFL thing...
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Post by mitch on Sept 22, 2006 7:54:18 GMT -6
I can't believe that call. We do that all the time!
I think I heard about a new rule this year. The TE (or any receiver for that matter) who is covered up can go out in a route, but can't catch the ball. Am I dreaming this or has anyone else heard that?
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Post by superpower on Sept 22, 2006 8:00:05 GMT -6
Mitch, the TE is an ineligible receiver when he is covered up, so he is not allowed any further down field than the other linemen.
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Post by Coach Geordie on Sept 22, 2006 8:01:05 GMT -6
Frankly when officials display that level of incompetance you need to ask the white cap that if that's what they are going to call the game. Get him to say that he will enforce that ruling. Then tell him you will only play the rest of the game under protest or walk off the field.
It come under the catagory of "Making up the rules on the field"
When the refs start to pick and choose rules start to decide which rules matter. What's next? Blocking in the back? Clipping? Face masking?
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Post by superpower on Sept 22, 2006 8:09:11 GMT -6
I really believe some officials are just waiting to make a big game changing call so all their buddies at the officials' meeting the next week can pat them on the back and ask how they made such a great call, and the idiot can say, "I was watching for it all night long."
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Post by timtheenchanter on Sept 22, 2006 8:35:44 GMT -6
I really believe some officials are just waiting to make a big game changing call so all their buddies at the officials' meeting the next week can pat them on the back and ask how they made such a great call, and the idiot can say, "I was watching for it all night long." Nope, most of us would just as soon leave our flags in our pockets. Being flag happy isn't a reputation that is good for your career in officiating. That being said, this is another example of why some people don't need to be football officials. You have to study or you can really screwn things up. |
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ndcoach
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Post by ndcoach on Sept 22, 2006 8:49:37 GMT -6
I really believe some officials are just waiting to make a big game changing call so all their buddies at the officials' meeting the next week can pat them on the back and ask how they made such a great call, and the idiot can say, "I was watching for it all night long." I wish the official on the opposite sidelines last friday would have been watching for anything all night long. Three times he missed a block in the back on a kickoff. |
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Post by superpower on Sept 22, 2006 8:56:04 GMT -6
I really believe some officials are just waiting to make a big game changing call so all their buddies at the officials' meeting the next week can pat them on the back and ask how they made such a great call, and the idiot can say, "I was watching for it all night long." Nope, most of us would just as soon leave our flags in our pockets. Being flag happy isn't a reputation that is good for your career in officiating. That being said, this is another example of why some people don't need to be football officials. You have to study or you can really screwn things up. Tim, you obviously take your job very seriously and do the necessary studying and preparing to be an effective official, and I am sure many officials do the same. However, I think you would have to agree that there are many incompetent officials out there and it is really frustrating when they haven't done the prep work. However, I am sure you could say the same thing about various coaches that you have met - unprepared, lack of knowledge, incompetent. So I hope you weren't offended by my comment. I appreciate your posts on this forum as they are always insightful and helpful. Keep up the good work. |
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JMC
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Post by JMC on Sept 22, 2006 9:03:54 GMT -6
To Tim or anyone else can you put on here were in the rule book this information can be found. I cannot get to see a rulebook online anywhere
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Post by Coach Geordie on Sept 22, 2006 10:40:56 GMT -6
Most officials do go out there to do a good job. They are not only know their stuff but understand what coaches want from them in game (communication, consintancy and safety)
The problem with the crew that JMC had to deal with is that not one of them had the intergrity or knowledge to take the guy aside and say "No, you're wrong. You're thinking about the pros"
I'm sure the indiviudual official though he was right. But for all of the other members of the crew to back him up is unbelievable.
It also has to be said that the coach on the other sideline has a part to play here. He knows that the official has the call wrong. It's not an opinion call like pass interferance or a spot of the ball. He must have a duty to the game itself to improve these referees. If he needs the win that badly let him make the point after the game.
As I said before, if they start deciding on the field what is in the rules then we all have issues.
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Post by timtheenchanter on Sept 22, 2006 11:17:20 GMT -6
Tim, you obviously take your job very seriously and do the necessary studying and preparing to be an effective official, and I am sure many officials do the same. However, I think you would have to agree that there are many incompetent officials out there and it is really frustrating when they haven't done the prep work. However, I am sure you could say the same thing about various coaches that you have met - unprepared, lack of knowledge, incompetent. So I hope you weren't offended by my comment. I appreciate your posts on this forum as they are always insightful and helpful. Keep up the good work. No offense taken, as none was meant. There are officials that I wouldn't send to a Pee Wee game, much less High School varsity, but they go. I understand your frustration. I go into every game hoping that I don't have to make a call that affects the game, but knowing that if I have to it will be correct. I don't want to be the one that y'all are posting about. ;D |
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Post by jhanawa on Sept 22, 2006 17:01:59 GMT -6
Tim, I don't envy your job. I'm usually pretty understanding of refs because of the split second nature of seeing/determining/calling/not calling a foul, rarely will we ever argue a "call", we will "rib" a guy a little bit if we know him, but thats different. The only thing that really irks me is when refs administer a penalty incorrectly because this they have time to think about and discuss, they should bat 100% here.
As a side comment, in the OR-OU game, yeah the ref made a bad call on the replay but I think suspending a guy (adminstrative leave for the remainder of the season) with 28 years experience for making a mistake is {censored}. The only thing that will result from this is every call being reviewed excessively.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 22, 2006 18:01:05 GMT -6
JMC- If you have film of the game, you need to send it to your states Official Association along with a letter describing your gripe. If it was a decision that drastically affected the outcome of the game, then the game needs to be replayed or wiped off of the boards. Either way, that official shouldn't be allowed near another game.
I had a situation like that several years back- an official said we were in an illegal formation when we went unbalanced. I carry a rule book with me every game- I called a timeout, pulled it out and forced the official to show me what rule we violated.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Sept 23, 2006 20:38:10 GMT -6
In the state that I coach in, before kickoff, the officials ask if you have any trick plays or special formations. Next time you might want to give the "stripes" heads up on that play so they'll know it's coming and you'll have no conflict. A little prevention goes a long way...sorry about the call back.
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