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Post by hsrose on Feb 14, 2007 13:23:47 GMT -6
What numbering/identification scheme do you use when calling plays?
The last few seasons we used 9-7-3-5-1-0-2-4-6-8 to identify the holes (odd left, even right). This season the new HC is bringing in the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 version with 5 over the center. Our play calls are player+hole so our triple call was 22 Lead (2-Tailback, 2-B gap on the right).
Not a problem with using either method. But...
In the 1-9 mode I'm having a difficult time matching the play call with where the ballcarrier is really going. For instance, last year we ran the 11 and 10 midline, with the 10/11 telling us which way to open and run pitch. This year I'll have the same play, but it's 14/16, 1 gap out from where it is really going. Same with our triple option call. It was 13/12, now it will be 13/17, again 1 gap wider ("it just reflects the truth that, yeah, while the FB starts for the 14/16 gap, he never gets there so we just make it 13/17").
If the play call doesn't really reflect where the POA is, does the meaning of the call then go away? Would I then be left with "midline left/right", "triple left/right" in place of 14 midline? If I can't use the player + hole construct all the time then does that cause confusion? We're very simple - few formations and few plays - so this probably won't be an issue.
Not sure if this makes sense, but I'm a computer tweek and it just bothers me when things don't line up.
Thanks
Casey
IHS Vikings
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Post by devils1 on Feb 14, 2007 13:49:36 GMT -6
Thats what we do. we give names to the play and teach the gap the [lay is designed for. trap r / l, option r or l, counter rt or left.lead r or left. we are actually no huddle gun so our words are coded. To many words to say 46 counter right. we try and have as few syllables as possible.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 14, 2007 18:03:57 GMT -6
Why is he bothering to change something so insignificant? It's not like it's going to boost your performance or learning curve at all. I mean, I have used both and have no problems with either, but it just seems like a waste of time.
If I were the new HC of a school, I'd obviously bring my scheme with me. However, I wouldn't have any issues with using a different gap numbering system; just plug my plays in with the new scheme.
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Post by dacoachmo on Feb 14, 2007 18:46:53 GMT -6
its hard to define a "hole" for any option...
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Post by phantom on Feb 14, 2007 18:53:24 GMT -6
its hard to define a "hole" for any option... Or any play, for that matter. We use the "even to the right, odd to the left system". If we call 22 Iso that doesn't necessarily mean that the play's going to the right-side B gap come hell or high water. It's going to the LB on the right. 22 Iso really means "Iso Right". |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2007 19:59:06 GMT -6
Studies have shown that people learn better using words rather than numbers. Meaning, that most (not all of course) learn better by understanding that ISO attacks the B gap, rather than 2 back through 2 hole...
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Post by hsrose on Feb 14, 2007 22:54:34 GMT -6
When I coached the little guys we had our plays named - off-tackle right, sweep right, etc. Now that I'm at the HS I entered a system of numbers. Thought that was the way.
Using play names would be easier and would more truly reflect what happens on the play. The option really is run "in that direction" and not at the 2-hole. How many names/plays could you realistically implement in a HS offense? Is there some kind of naming hierarchy that this newbie might find somewhere?
We could run most of our offense from a word-based system. My concern would be how extensive it would be.
Casey
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Post by jjkuenzel on Feb 15, 2007 0:06:22 GMT -6
We run our hole numbering system 1-9, strong to weak. There is 13/17 midline and 41/49 triple option. Kids didn't really have much of a problem with figuring out which way to go once they got the hang of it.
To me it doesn't seem like much of a problem what you call your play as long as the kids know what they are supposed to do on that particular play. In regards to a number system vs a word system for your running plays, I like the number system because it idiot proofs it. At least in theory it does.
If I call a 22 Iso, then the kids know that the 2 back is going through the 2 hole with an iso blocking scheme.
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Post by spartancoach on Feb 15, 2007 16:49:17 GMT -6
We were odd-left, even-right. We are scrapping it this year and just calling the play left or right. The reason is kids were getting hung up with Zone Read going to the "1 hole" and trying to turn defenders from the "hole". We are hoping by calling it Zone Left they will lose that pre-disposition.
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 15, 2007 16:58:53 GMT -6
Nothing worse than when play calling doesnt compute. the hole number should DO SOMETHING for someone, ie give the back a landmark or give the line a scheme or blocking call etc.
some of the best systems have just one or two methods for opening a "hole" ie, if our line hears 1/0 there are three ways we can hit that hole, with gut blocking wedge blocking or trap blocking...we use hole number and blocking tag. doesnt matter whos carrying the rock.
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Post by CVBears on Feb 15, 2007 18:58:34 GMT -6
Isn't the actual hole relative anyways? The 4 hole in one system could be called the 1 hole in anthor system, but when the play actually develops the actual "hole" could be a yard off in any direction. Good players are running towards an area (albeit a specific area). As long as the system is clear inside to out, right to left on which area fits in where, relative to the others, what is the difference what you call it?
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 15, 2007 19:30:56 GMT -6
I use the numbers because my blocking schemes are all based on which hole is called in the run...in a 20 Trap, the 1st lineman past the 0 hole will be trapped. Doesn't matter where he is. It is more of an easy way for my OL to determine their assignments than telling the RB where to go.
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