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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2020 11:37:48 GMT -6
In an SI article authored by Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde they asked several Power 5 coaches/administrators about when athletes would have to report back to campus to start the season at its scheduled time. The replies :
"Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour’s suggestion of 60 days is on the high end, while South Carolina athletic director Ray Tanner’s pitch of one month is on the low end. Alabama coach Nick Saban suggests at least six weeks, and Clemson coach Dabo Swinney says players should return at some point in July to be ready for kickoff as it is currently scheduled."
seem a bit outlandish.
Obviously College football is a year round job for the athletes, but just because that is how it is, doesn't mean that is how it has to be does it? At least not in my opinion.
Seems like the essentially nationwide lockdown would actually allow the sports world to "put the genie back in the bottle" so to speak with regards to the year round madness by reminding us/demonstrating that just because it is how it is done, doesn't mean that it is necessary.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 11, 2020 11:42:37 GMT -6
In hearing another interview, I think Saban's six weeks comes from having 12 days of learning to replace spring ball. He was emphatic when he said none of those 12 days should involve padded work. Then, the normal four weeks of fall camp I believe most D1 schools have. I can't imagine why you would need more than that and even that would be plenty.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2020 12:16:30 GMT -6
In hearing another interview, I think Saban's six weeks comes from having 12 days of learning to replace spring ball. He was emphatic when he said none of those 12 days should involve padded work. Then, the normal four weeks of fall camp I believe most D1 schools have. I can't imagine why you would need more than that and even that would be plenty. My thought process is that as long as the time frame is uniform, maybe those normal 4 weeks aren't necessary. Maybe those 12 extra "spring replacement" days are not necessary. Just me, but I am pretty sure I could make an argument saying 3 weeks would be enough to get the best amateur football players in the world ready to compete against an opponent that also only had 3 weeks of prep time. |
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Post by blb on Apr 11, 2020 12:27:35 GMT -6
3-4 weeks of conditioning, two weeks of camp (play first game third week).
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Post by carookie on Apr 11, 2020 16:32:51 GMT -6
In an SI article authored by Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde they asked several Power 5 coaches/administrators about when athletes would have to report back to campus to start the season at its scheduled time. The replies : "Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour’s suggestion of 60 days is on the high end, while South Carolina athletic director Ray Tanner’s pitch of one month is on the low end. Alabama coach Nick Saban suggests at least six weeks, and Clemson coach Dabo Swinney says players should return at some point in July to be ready for kickoff as it is currently scheduled." seem a bit outlandish. Obviously College football is a year round job for the athletes, but just because that is how it is, doesn't mean that is how it has to be does it? At least not in my opinion. Seems like the essentially nationwide lockdown would actually allow the sports world to "put the genie back in the bottle" so to speak with regards to the year round madness by reminding us/demonstrating that just because it is how it is done, doesn't mean that it is necessary. I really wish that would be true, but just cannot see it as such. Most coaches, at any level, who have success upon our return will think, "man we were good, but just think how good we could've been had I had more time to.... (install more stuff, make my players watch more film, etc)" Those that aren't successful will chalk it up to them not having enough time to do what was needed to be successful. Remember, football (in the eyes of those in charge) is the one thing in life that has no point of negative return, heck of even diminishing returns. Practicing 50 hours a week for 50 weeks a year would be the best practice in their minds. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 11, 2020 17:07:02 GMT -6
Prep time necessary for a season? The same amount of time as the other guy gets. In some cases less.
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Post by fadepattern on Apr 12, 2020 7:57:40 GMT -6
University of Mississippi announced that no one would be allowed back on campus until August 1. They are scheduled to play Baylor on September 5. That would only allow them total of 35 days of prep time. Is that even doable?
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 12, 2020 8:49:32 GMT -6
University of Mississippi announced that no one would be allowed back on campus until August 1. They are scheduled to play Baylor on September 5. That would only allow them total of 35 days of prep time. Is that even doable? In my opinion, ABSOLUTELY. In fact, NCAA rules state that the first allowable practice for the season shall be determined by counting backwards from the game date, and is 29 days prior. All of the stuff they are doing over the summer is "voluntary" S&C work by rule. Now, would it be "fair" if the landscape changed a bit, and Baylor's athletes were allowed on campus for their "voluntary" S&C work outs in July and Ole Miss was closed? Eh, probably not. But this notion that football (or any sport) requires year round activity just shows how far down the rabbit hole we have gone. |
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Post by Defcord on Apr 12, 2020 10:43:08 GMT -6
University of Mississippi announced that no one would be allowed back on campus until August 1. They are scheduled to play Baylor on September 5. That would only allow them total of 35 days of prep time. Is that even doable? In my opinion, ABSOLUTELY. In fact, NCAA rules state that the first allowable practice for the season shall be determined by counting backwards from the game date, and is 29 days prior. All of the stuff they are doing over the summer is "voluntary" S&C work by rule. Now, would it be "fair" if the landscape changed a bit, and Baylor's athletes were allowed on campus for their "voluntary" S&C work outs in July and Ole Miss was closed? Eh, probably not. But this notion that football (or any sport) requires year round activity just shows how far down the rabbit hole we have gone. I thinks possible as well because it says “on campus.” It the game were projected to be on and social restrictions were eased throughout society, I could imagine scenarios where preparations, voluntary or not, would be allowable off campus in a well regulated facility. |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 12, 2020 15:02:53 GMT -6
Maybe they should call up the D3 coaches out there and see how they make it work every fall...
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 12, 2020 15:13:53 GMT -6
14 days from standing up the team to kickoff would be a practical minimum.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 13, 2020 11:35:08 GMT -6
In hearing another interview, I think Saban's six weeks comes from having 12 days of learning to replace spring ball. He was emphatic when he said none of those 12 days should involve padded work. Then, the normal four weeks of fall camp I believe most D1 schools have. I can't imagine why you would need more than that and even that would be plenty. My thought process is that as long as the time frame is uniform, maybe those normal 4 weeks aren't necessary. Maybe those 12 extra "spring replacement" days are not necessary. Just me, but I am pretty sure I could make an argument saying 3 weeks would be enough to get the best amateur football players in the world ready to compete against an opponent that also only had 3 weeks of prep time. Oh, I don't disagree with you at all. I was just providing some context to maybe why Saban was saying six weeks of prep time was needed, at least in his opinion. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 13, 2020 12:38:02 GMT -6
Probably because Saban is working in his own self-interest.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 13, 2020 13:21:33 GMT -6
Maybe? I don't think there's much to read into it. He was simply asked for his idea on prep time for a season and suggested 12 days prior to camp to replace spring practice.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 14, 2020 10:09:28 GMT -6
Well, back before they invented color when I played it was 3 weeks of 3-a-days.
3 x M-F = 15 days = 45 practices
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