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Post by Defcord on Feb 21, 2020 11:43:44 GMT -6
I was reading about Lance Leipold and saw he was the quickest coach to reach 100 wins in terms of games played, breaking Gil Dobie's mark.
I have to admit that I didn't know who Gil Dobie was so I have been reading about him.
*For instance he coached at Washington from 1908-1916 and never lost a game...he did have three pesky ties*
Then it got me thinking about who are some of the coaches from past eras that were successful but have become part of history and not as recognized.
Any names you guys would throw out there in this category? Especially if reading and researching about them could have an applicable lesson to coaching currently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 11:58:13 GMT -6
I was reading about Lance Leipold and saw he was the quickest coach to reach 100 wins in terms of games played, breaking Gil Dobie's mark. I have to admit that I didn't know who Gil Dobie was so I have been reading about him. *For instance he coached at Washington from 1908-1916 and never lost a game...he did have two pesky ties* Then it got me thinking about who are some of the coaches from past eras that were successful but have become part of history and not as recognized. Any names you guys would throw out there in this category? Especially if reading and researching about them could have an applicable lesson to coaching currently. John Rauch. Oakland Raiders. Bill Walsh sings his praises. Lot of High Coaches who do not get mentioned either. Joe Kinnan in FL- I dont know about the x-o’s but he had the system rigged for a long time down there. Alan Chadwick in Atlanta with his split back veer and 50 defense Franklin Stephens who is smarter than god, according to him Jess Simpson at Buford |
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Post by bigmoot2 on Feb 21, 2020 13:17:04 GMT -6
I was reading about Lance Leipold and saw he was the quickest coach to reach 100 wins in terms of games played, breaking Gil Dobie's mark. I have to admit that I didn't know who Gil Dobie was so I have been reading about him. *For instance he coached at Washington from 1908-1916 and never lost a game...he did have two pesky ties* Then it got me thinking about who are some of the coaches from past eras that were successful but have become part of history and not as recognized. Any names you guys would throw out there in this category? Especially if reading and researching about them could have an applicable lesson to coaching currently. John Rauch. Oakland Raiders. Bill Walsh sings his praises. Lot of High Coaches who do not get mentioned either. Joe Kinnan in FL- I dont know about the x-o’s but he had the system rigged for a long time down there. Alan Chadwick in Atlanta with his split back veer and 50 defense Franklin Stephens who is smarter than god, according to him Jess Simpson at Buford Alan Chadwick in Atlanta with his split back veer and 50 defense ...YES Franklin Stephens who is smarter than god, according to him ...LOL... Jess Simpson at Buford...HARD TO MESS UP IN THAT SITUATION |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 21, 2020 13:27:33 GMT -6
Sadly he just passed away yesterday but "Bad Rad" Dan Radakovich is a name all OL coaches should know and LB coaches, just google him. Coached the OL and DL for the Steelers during their 70's Super Bowl runs, started Linebacker U at Penn St before that. Also a mentor of Joe Moore for coaching the OL. And one of the most interesting dudes you'd ever meet...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 13:39:50 GMT -6
John Rauch. Oakland Raiders. Bill Walsh sings his praises. Lot of High Coaches who do not get mentioned either. Joe Kinnan in FL- I dont know about the x-o’s but he had the system rigged for a long time down there. Alan Chadwick in Atlanta with his split back veer and 50 defense Franklin Stephens who is smarter than god, according to him Jess Simpson at Buford Alan Chadwick in Atlanta with his split back veer and 50 defense ...YES Franklin Stephens who is smarter than god, according to him ...LOL... Jess Simpson at Buford...HARD TO MESS UP IN THAT SITUATION what makes both simpson and stephens interesting is not their x and o's. Stephens knows when to take and get out of jobs. The sties on how simpson ran that program are epic. Kinnan down in fla was supposedly known to have district rigged to his liking. And always semmed to win games that were do or die. |
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 22, 2020 10:27:59 GMT -6
Bernie Bierman
Charles Caldwell
Fritz Crisler
Keith Piper
Harry Ragsdale
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Post by fantom on Feb 22, 2020 11:20:06 GMT -6
Here's a name that blb will know but not many others will: Phil Bengtson.
Bengtson was Vince Lombardi's defensive coach. Lombardi's Packers were great defensive teams and Lombardi gets the credit for it. The fact is, though, that Lombardi didn't care about defense. He hired Bengtson and let him work.
He built a championship defense out of spare parts. Ray Nitschke had been a bust. Willie Davis and Henry Jordan were acquired for draft picks. They're in the Hall of Fame now.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 22, 2020 14:52:10 GMT -6
Here's a name that blb will know but not many others will: Phil Bengtson. Bengtson was Vince Lombardi's defensive coach. Lombardi's Packers were great defensive teams and Lombardi gets the credit for it. The fact is, though, that Lombardi didn't care about defense. He hired Bengtson and let him work. He built a championship defense out of spare parts. Ray Nitschke had been a bust. Willie Davis and Henry Jordan were acquired for draft picks. They're in the Hall of Fame now. He was also the guy to follow the guy. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 22, 2020 14:59:20 GMT -6
Here's a name that blb will know but not many others will: Phil Bengtson. Bengtson was Vince Lombardi's defensive coach. Lombardi's Packers were great defensive teams and Lombardi gets the credit for it. The fact is, though, that Lombardi didn't care about defense. He hired Bengtson and let him work. He built a championship defense out of spare parts. Ray Nitschke had been a bust. Willie Davis and Henry Jordan were acquired for draft picks. They're in the Hall of Fame now. He was also the guy to follow the guy. Yeah, and the guy had let the team get old and hadn't drafted very well. |
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Post by blb on Feb 22, 2020 15:02:05 GMT -6
Here's a name that blb will know but not many others will: Phil Bengtson. Bengtson was Vince Lombardi's defensive coach. Lombardi's Packers were great defensive teams and Lombardi gets the credit for it. The fact is, though, that Lombardi didn't care about defense. He hired Bengtson and let him work. He built a championship defense out of spare parts. Ray Nitschke had been a bust. Willie Davis and Henry Jordan were acquired for draft picks. They're in the Hall of Fame now.
Lombardi hired Bengston because his 49er defense had given Vince's offense trouble when he was OC for Giants.
Wouldn't say Nitschke had been a bust, unless you want to say Hornung, Jim Ringo, Jerry Kramer, Forrest Gregg, and Starr were too. The Packers were a poorly-coached mess before Lombardi arrived.
Lombardi traded for some great players - Davis and Jordan especially because he foxed Paul Brown, and developed them (or Bengston did) when he got them.
If he didn't care about defense he wouldn't have gotten those two among others.
Also Vince was ahead of his time in acquiring-drafting black players (besides Davis Dave Robinson, Willie Wood, Herb Adderley).
Notice those last three HOFers were defensive players also.
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Post by fantom on Feb 22, 2020 16:38:01 GMT -6
Here's a name that blb will know but not many others will: Phil Bengtson. Bengtson was Vince Lombardi's defensive coach. Lombardi's Packers were great defensive teams and Lombardi gets the credit for it. The fact is, though, that Lombardi didn't care about defense. He hired Bengtson and let him work. He built a championship defense out of spare parts. Ray Nitschke had been a bust. Willie Davis and Henry Jordan were acquired for draft picks. They're in the Hall of Fame now.
Lombardi hired Bengston because his 49er defense had given Vince's offense trouble when he was OC for Giants.
Wouldn't say Nitschke had been a bust, unless you want to say Hornung, Jim Ringo, Jerry Kramer, Forrest Gregg, and Starr were too. The Packers were a poorly-coached mess before Lombardi arrived.
Lombardi traded for some great players - Davis and Jordan especially because he foxed Paul Brown, and developed them (or Bengston did) when he got them.
If he didn't care about defense he wouldn't have gotten those two among others.
Also Vince was ahead of his time in acquiring-drafting black players (besides Davis Dave Robinson, Willie Wood, Herb Adderley).
Notice those last three HOFers were defensive players also.
He wanted a great defense but didn't build it. That was Bengtson. That was because he spent his time on offense where he was a genius. I know that you know this but a lot of younger people don't but Lombardi's offense wasn't as Neanderthal as people think. He may have had a few plays but there were options built into each. It's hard to call Starr a bust when he was a 17th round pick. Kramer was a rookie in 1958. Ringo was All Pro in 1957 but Hornung was almost ruined by the horrible coaching before Lombardi. A lot of the great personnel decisions were made by their scout, Jack Vainisi, who died in 1960. After that they made some good draft decisions but, well, here's the Packers draft history: www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm |
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Post by blb on Feb 23, 2020 7:32:19 GMT -6
Can be tough to draft well when you're always drafting last.
But yes the Packers were an old team when Bengtson took over in 1968.
Plus Bengtson's personality was the opposite of Lombardi's and the old vets couldn't summon the energy to "Win it for Phil."
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