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Post by coachf8 on Nov 21, 2019 7:10:00 GMT -6
Evaluating our team from this past season. We had a lot of penalties, averaging seven a game. Several personal and unsportsmanlike throughout the year. We tried to do several different things to address this. Quarter suspensions, making the team run for every penalty during Monday's practices, running individuals per infraction, etc. Nothing really seemed to correct the issue. Does anyone have anything that they do differently that they believe corrects or prevents the number of penalties that their team has on a Friday night? Would like to have a plan of addressing this for next season and open to ideas.
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Post by RunThePistol on Nov 21, 2019 8:45:13 GMT -6
What were the unsportsmanlike penalties? WE had several of those as well but it was from players removing helmet while on the field of play. I asked one of them if they knew removing helmets on the field was illegal, and he told me straight up "You can't take your helmet off?" So that type of penalty is different than a late hit, roughing the passer etc.
Last season the way we addressed those issues were breaking the rule down to an elementary level. For example a facemask, we broke down what a facemask was and asked the team how do we prevent that from happening? They all responded by grabbing his body and not his facemask. Not the eloquent answer of "square him and drive through his body" but it served the purpose ya know.
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Post by 53 on Nov 21, 2019 9:06:38 GMT -6
If they're just playing hard and physical, it's a nonissue. That's what we expect from are kids, and that's the cost of playing that way every so often.
If it's behavioral, we remove them from the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 9:24:20 GMT -6
Its starts in practice. No melt downs, no attitude, no slack, max.effort. attention to details. Then Classroom behavior, school work. I didnt say one word about gpa.
The non sense is not tolerated.
You can sell that. It is something that is tangible to parents, admin, andvplayers alike.
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Post by fballcoachg on Nov 21, 2019 10:02:20 GMT -6
Categorize the small penalties:
Are. They aggressive penalties (going offsides on a blitz, accidental face mask, aggressively blocking but getting a hold)
Are they mental discipline or lazy issues (jumping on 2, getting a hold for not moving my feet, not lining up right so we get an illegal formation)
Major penalties:
Is the late hit egregious or close
Is the roughing call egregious or close
Was it playing hard/through the whistle or was it cheap/dirty and dumb (like mouthing off)
Then I would look in the mirror, are we allowing things in practice, what’s our game day and practice demeanor (if we lose composure consistently why wouldn’t they from time to time), are we ok with some of these penalties.
That’s where I’d start then make a plan.
If you let the defensive end smoke the scout qb after you blew the whistle then it’s on you. If you don’t do push ups or pull a kid in practice that jumps off or holds then it’s on you. Those are fixable.
I also think knowing what you’re willing to tolerate matters. We led the league in 15 yarders 4 of our 5 years. We were ok with most of those because 1-they were typically aggressive penalties and 2-we openly talk about playing to the line. If you play to the line, sometimes you’ll step over. It was a point for us bc the program was viewed as pushovers and soft and is typically undersized so we really wanted to flip the mentality to something we could control, being the aggressor.ive got buddies that could never live with those penalties, we can and do bc it’s within the scope of what we want and isn’t dirty. When it is, the kids are off the field...there’s a very clear separation for us on what’s part of the game and what isn’t.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 21, 2019 10:50:51 GMT -6
Within the player/parent contract:
1st offense: Punishment conditioning
2nd offense: Punishment conditioning and a half suspension
3rd offense: Punishment conditioning and a game suspension
4th offense: Suspended from the team, potentially removed for the season.
Personally, I don't like conditioning as a punishment but a) we have low numbers so suspending playing time could result in us starting a 110lb freshman and b) our punishment conditioning is "uncomfortable" enough to be an effective deterrent. And, we never punish the entire team for a few kids' screw ups as it's just not proactive. Our AD wanted us to do so this year so that the "boys will handle it within the team" but a) it rarely works that way and b) it alienates the kids from the coaching staff as it's simply not fair.
I will say, this is an area where the Coaches' Discretion Card is in play consistently. We had a player tattoo a runner as he was going out of bounds and the official tossed a flag (personal foul, late hit). It was a questionable enough call that the kid legitimately didn't understand what he was being flagged for. He's a polite, hard working player and simply asked "What did I do wrong?". I was standing right there and the kid wasn't rude, loud, or demeaning at all. Another flag flew and the ref responded: "The first one was for a late hit. The second one is an unsportsmanlike for telling me how to do my job."
Needless to say, we didn't punish him.
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Post by coachf8 on Nov 21, 2019 11:29:26 GMT -6
These penalties have been aggressive. Late hits, roughing the passer, some unsportsmanlike for talking.
Like most of you, I feel aggressive penalties are going to happen as a result of our defense, one of the top in the area and are known for being physical. Mostly all of these penalties are happening on that side of the ball. However, I’m getting a lot of heat from the higher ups on what I’m going to do to address these things. A lot are questionable and “close” calls. I also wonder how many were a result of a reputation we may have built with officials.
Practice we don’t bring players to the ground and quick whistle everything, so we never have late hits in practice. Are kids are also not allowed to make contact with qbs while they’re in the pocket during practice.
Obviously, when you’re employers ask how you are going to address these things, you need to have a plan to take back.
We’ve already suspended players a quarter, 2 quarters, and then a game per every personal that was reviewed and deemed as malicious. Anything close or questionable, we let slide and he players run during practice.
Then the question becomes “where do you draw the line”, who determines what personals are okay and which ones are not, which opens Pandora’s box.
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