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Post by fballcoachg on Nov 16, 2019 14:13:01 GMT -6
If you had the opportunity to hire a full time strength coach that was working w all sports, what would be some non-negotiatables?
since the weight room is so critical, I figured this was better here than the strength section
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 16, 2019 16:21:27 GMT -6
I would say that the strength training must be built around compound multi-joint lifts (e.g. Squats, Deadlifts, Presses, Rows). Olympic lifts could be included in there as well, but that isn't a deal breaker for me. I've seen plenty of very strong teams that don't do the Olympic lifts.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 16, 2019 22:52:41 GMT -6
If you had the opportunity to hire a full time strength coach that was working w all sports, what would be some non-negotiatables? since the weight room is so critical, I figured this was better here than the strength section Proper certification/education, not just some jabroni that did a weekend Crossfit cert. At the same time, has training plans that meet students where they are. Good teacher/coach. Understands the big picture of sports at the HS level. Charismatic/strong personality, the kids have to respond to them. |
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Post by jlenwood on Nov 17, 2019 18:28:45 GMT -6
If you had the opportunity to hire a full time strength coach that was working w all sports, what would be some non-negotiatables? since the weight room is so critical, I figured this was better here than the strength section Proper certification/education, Unfortunately, I have seen folks with quite and alphabet behind their name who didn't know $hizz about strength training a HS athlete. And also, I think that most certifications are useless except...it's the only way to get that gig at the HS level most times. My non-negotiables would be: -Have you trained people before -Have any of those people you have trained been HS athletes -Do you know anatomy (kid points to his lower back and says this hurts, you better be able to know what they are pointing at and how to train around it) -Can you show me some history of success with your training methods, not just a one or two athlete example but several athletes who have become better because of the strength training they provided. If they can provide those, then they are qualified to be talked to about the gig. If not, hard pass. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 17, 2019 19:16:38 GMT -6
I think that you also need to make sure that his philosophy is compatible not just with yours but your school administration.
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Post by fballcoachg on Nov 17, 2019 19:28:48 GMT -6
I think that you also need to make sure that his philosophy is compatible not just with yours but your school administration. What’s an example of philosophy being compatible with admin? That’s not something I thought of at all bc they really don’t do much w athletics...interested in what you’re thinking bc the last thing we would need is to find a good person and the admin not back them |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2019 19:38:59 GMT -6
I think that you also need to make sure that his philosophy is compatible not just with yours but your school administration. What’s an example of philosophy being compatible with admin? That’s not something I thought of at all bc they really don’t do much w athletics...interested in what you’re thinking bc the last thing we would need is to find a good person and the admin not back them What do you mean by "full time" Is this going to be a graded class for credit? |
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 17, 2019 23:22:05 GMT -6
Proper certification/education, Unfortunately, I have seen folks with quite and alphabet behind their name who didn't know $hizz about strength training a HS athlete. And also, I think that most certifications are useless except...it's the only way to get that gig at the HS level most times. My non-negotiables would be: -Have you trained people before -Have any of those people you have trained been HS athletes -Do you know anatomy (kid points to his lower back and says this hurts, you better be able to know what they are pointing at and how to train around it) -Can you show me some history of success with your training methods, not just a one or two athlete example but several athletes who have become better because of the strength training they provided. If they can provide those, then they are qualified to be talked to about the gig. If not, hard pass. Totally agree with two clarifications: 1-there's also an element of CYA that should be considered, 2-I did include the term education because I agree that certifications aren't all that important. Sincerely doubt Jim Wendler has any certifications, but I'd hire him in a heartbeat. Also, I think it's hard to show athletes improving because of strength training, unless you're just talking about objective things like VJ, SLJ, etc. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 18, 2019 5:31:04 GMT -6
What’s an example of philosophy being compatible with admin? That’s not something I thought of at all bc they really don’t do much w athletics...interested in what you’re thinking bc the last thing we would need is to find a good person and the admin not back them What do you mean by "full time" Is this going to be a graded class for credit? That would be an example. He may think that he needs to have classes during the school day. You may agree but if the admin isn't going to create that class it's not going to happen. |
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Post by mkuempel on Nov 18, 2019 12:46:14 GMT -6
Honestly, if given the opportunity to hire a full time strength coach to work with all sports, I'm making sure they have the proper credentials, are a solid human being, keep athletes safe, engaged and enjoying their time in the room in addition to results from their work in the room, but other than that, I'm not going to tell someone who I hired to do a job what they can and can't do as far as exercises/movements/programs. If I did, how could I stop another coach from doing the same thing, which might be different than my philosophy, and then I've got two colleagues not on the same page, let the coach, coach.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 18, 2019 14:12:13 GMT -6
Honestly, if given the opportunity to hire a full time strength coach to work with all sports, I'm making sure they have the proper credentials, are a solid human being, keep athletes safe, engaged and enjoying their time in the room in addition to results from their work in the room, but other than that, I'm not going to tell someone who I hired to do a job what they can and can't do as far as exercises/movements/programs. If I did, how could I stop another coach from doing the same thing, which might be different than my philosophy, and then I've got two colleagues not on the same page, let the coach, coach. What about hiring an OC? Are going to ask what they run on offense first? I get your point, let them coach. But in the hiring process, I would sure find out what they do and how they do it. |
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Post by mkuempel on Nov 18, 2019 14:44:19 GMT -6
Honestly, if given the opportunity to hire a full time strength coach to work with all sports, I'm making sure they have the proper credentials, are a solid human being, keep athletes safe, engaged and enjoying their time in the room in addition to results from their work in the room, but other than that, I'm not going to tell someone who I hired to do a job what they can and can't do as far as exercises/movements/programs. If I did, how could I stop another coach from doing the same thing, which might be different than my philosophy, and then I've got two colleagues not on the same page, let the coach, coach. What about hiring an OC? Are going to ask what they run on offense first? I get your point, let them coach. But in the hiring process, I would sure find out what they do and how they do it. I guess the question is am I the HFC hiring a strength coach for all sports or am I an AD doing the hiring. If I'm the AD then yes, I'll want to have an idea as to what they do, but I'd rather ask references and others as to the success this person has asked, find a reason to not hire them. An OC is directly under my supervision as HFC, but a strength coach is handling every athlete in the building, apples to oranges, in my opinion. |
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Post by RnS-OC on Nov 19, 2019 11:57:44 GMT -6
I would say that the strength training must be built around compound multi-joint lifts (e.g. Squats, Deadlifts, Presses, Rows). Olympic lifts could be included in there as well, but that isn't a deal breaker for me. I've seen plenty of very strong teams that don't do the Olympic lifts. I feel the exact opposite - nearly every modern college team bases strength training around cleans and snatches with static lifts being supplementary. It’s a big reason why athletes aren’t big stiffs anymore and anecdotally a big reason why we have avoided major ligament injuries over the last few years. We would probably get outbenched by teams in our league but it’s not that relevant to on-field performance, just my two cents. I need three things from a strength coach: 1. Modern strength training program/expertise 2. Ability to command respect in weight room 3. Willingness to invest the 200 hours/year we will spend on the weight room |
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Post by jlenwood on Nov 19, 2019 15:10:34 GMT -6
I would say that the strength training must be built around compound multi-joint lifts (e.g. Squats, Deadlifts, Presses, Rows). Olympic lifts could be included in there as well, but that isn't a deal breaker for me. I've seen plenty of very strong teams that don't do the Olympic lifts. I feel the exact opposite - nearly every modern college team bases strength training around cleans and snatches with static lifts being supplementary. It’s a big reason why athletes aren’t big stiffs anymore and anecdotally a big reason why we have avoided major ligament injuries over the last few years. We would probably get outbenched by teams in our league but it’s not that relevant to on-field performance, just my two cents. I need three things from a strength coach: 1. Modern strength training program/expertise 2. Ability to command respect in weight room 3. Willingness to invest the 200 hours/year we will spend on the weight room I don't know about "nearly every modern college team", seems very anecdotal. Also remember those are kids who are WAY more athletic than 99% of the HS population. If you can coach an Oly lift, then I say incorporate them in some fashion. However just keep in mind if that is all you do you are training sub-maximally. |
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Post by RnS-OC on Nov 19, 2019 15:34:16 GMT -6
I feel the exact opposite - nearly every modern college team bases strength training around cleans and snatches with static lifts being supplementary. It’s a big reason why athletes aren’t big stiffs anymore and anecdotally a big reason why we have avoided major ligament injuries over the last few years. We would probably get outbenched by teams in our league but it’s not that relevant to on-field performance, just my two cents. I need three things from a strength coach: 1. Modern strength training program/expertise 2. Ability to command respect in weight room 3. Willingness to invest the 200 hours/year we will spend on the weight room I don't know about "nearly every modern college team", seems very anecdotal. Also remember those are kids who are WAY more athletic than 99% of the HS population. If you can coach an Oly lift, then I say incorporate them in some fashion. However just keep in mind if that is all you do you are training sub-maximally. Not all we do, but it’s the foundation. We still hit the bench, squat, and deadlift. That being said, our program is built around clean, snatch, front squat, and lots of hip mobility. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that this is what nearly all college programs are doing. All high school athletes are capable of learning this, but it takes a ground-up approach and we have had much more success over last few years than when we tried initially. I am much more concerned with whether a player can clean 225 than whether he can bench it. |
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Post by jlenwood on Nov 19, 2019 18:54:25 GMT -6
I don't know about "nearly every modern college team", seems very anecdotal. Also remember those are kids who are WAY more athletic than 99% of the HS population. If you can coach an Oly lift, then I say incorporate them in some fashion. However just keep in mind if that is all you do you are training sub-maximally. Not all we do, but it’s the foundation. We still hit the bench, squat, and deadlift. That being said, our program is built around clean, snatch, front squat, and lots of hip mobility. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that this is what nearly all college programs are doing. All high school athletes are capable of learning this, but it takes a ground-up approach and we have had much more success over last few years than when we tried initially. I am much more concerned with whether a player can clean 225 than whether he can bench it. To be clear, I wasn't arguing or trying to get pi$$y with you, there is enough of that these days we don't need it on this thread! Also, if you have kids cleaning 225 you are certainly on the right path. Good job. |
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