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Post by trenchwarfare58 on Nov 14, 2019 6:16:51 GMT -6
Any advice or recommendations on programs, drills, activities to help train some young, inexperienced kids on mental toughness?
I don't like using the term toughness but...Bottom line, we are going to be a young team next year with some good potential but in the past we have struggled with getting our kids to
a.) believe they can win b.) compete at a high level every day c.) have the toughness to compete with the big dogs in our conference
Have heard of some programs focused on developing mental strength, but not real familiar with what all is out there.
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Post by planck on Nov 14, 2019 7:12:37 GMT -6
I prefer to make the distinction between toughness and confidence.
I like how Bill Belichick describes toughness: "Mental toughness is going out there and doing what's best for the team – even though everything isn't going exactly the way you want it to."
However I think players, especially young players, need confidence as much as anything. Can I be confident that doing what coach says will help us win? Can I be confident that if I push myself I'll succeed? Etc. A lot of that is institutional - they know coach and the program have been successful and know their {censored}. A lot of it comes from prior success.
I think there's a real risk of them tuning out empty praise. But if you're always honest with them and provide feedback about how they can improve, then the occasional praise of a good rep builds them up. Even the studs can get better, so coach them all that way. Never stop helping them improve so when they do succeed, the praise is meaningful.
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Post by justafbcoach on Nov 14, 2019 8:29:33 GMT -6
I saw a post similar to this a while back. One thing we did was get in touch with the local Army (or Navy, Marine, Air Force, etc.) recruiting station in the area because they usually have programs where people come out and put them through a series of challenges where they have to work together in order to figure them out and succeed. Some are pretty intense and it shows kids they are capable of more than they realize. It's taking that one day and making sure that lesson carries over into the weight room, film, practice field etc. But for a young team, I think it's a pretty good way to show them toughness.
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Post by jlenwood on Nov 14, 2019 8:58:26 GMT -6
Any advice or recommendations on programs, drills, activities to help train some young, inexperienced kids on mental toughness? I don't like using the term toughness but...Bottom line, we are going to be a young team next year with some good potential but in the past we have struggled with getting our kids to a.) believe they can win b.) compete at a high level every day c.) have the toughness to compete with the big dogs in our conference Have heard of some programs focused on developing mental strength, but not real familiar with what all is out there. This may be unpopular, but I don't think there is anything YOU can do to make a kid tough within the confines of a football program. When you don't have full access to a kid for 365 days a year, when you don't have any control over what that kid is confronted with during their time with family (ie:crap parents or parents who hover), when you can't undo 14 years of softness with an hour a day of work etc. What you can do is slowly chip away the layers of "soft" by getting them early (7th/8th grade) and begin the process of implementing your program. And your program had better have several key components (imo): -Accountability and hard consequences to poor decisions -A weight room culture that is simple, and again, hard but do-able (see Jim Wendler and London HS) -A handful of athletes that can be drivers of the program and not push up, but pull up those who aren't as tough -A mentality from everyone involved in the program from janitors to bus drivers to teachers to coaches, that excellence is the goal I mean, I could go on and on, but I think if you just try to come up with a "one time" summer or pre season activity to make a kid "tough", it is destined to fail.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 14, 2019 9:11:05 GMT -6
Any advice or recommendations on programs, drills, activities to help train some young, inexperienced kids on mental toughness? I don't like using the term toughness but...Bottom line, we are going to be a young team next year with some good potential but in the past we have struggled with getting our kids to a.) believe they can win b.) compete at a high level every day c.) have the toughness to compete with the big dogs in our conference Have heard of some programs focused on developing mental strength, but not real familiar with what all is out there. There are 3 phases of the program - agilities, mat drills, & weights (in shifts of 25 in each). We feel that our out-of-season "MAT DRILLS" are part of the answer to developing physical AND mental toughness. It is way too much to try to describe ALL THAT here. We used a "watered down" version of the famous Alabama mat drills suitable for High School athletes (OURS weren't QUITE this "rigorus", but you can get the general idea). Our kids loved these (& rose to the challenge): I. Written by one of Bama's former players (Gaylon McCullough, M.D.): WRESTLING CLASS: During the “off season” we stayed in shape through an intensive physical fitness program. “Wrestling Class” as it was then called, was held three days each week in a small, gloomy gymnasium above the old coaches' and athletic offices on University Boulevard. Sometimes tings got pretty testy during these work-outs. There was a tiny door which led out to the roof for those whose got upset causing them to throw up, Wrestling partners were usually assigned by position, i.e., quarterbacks wrestled quarterbacks, tackles wrestled tackles, and centers wrestled centers. My wrestling partner was none other than the consensus All-American and later All-Pro with the Dallas Cowboys) Lee Roy Jordan. That was not by choice. I could never quite decide if the coaching staff was trying to get me to quit or teaming me up with Lee Roy to keep him from getting hurt. Fortunately both of us survived, escaping without injury. During these sessions, I learned what the word “tough” really means. I believe the toughness learned during the off-season programs allowed us to win a couple of games at the wire during the championship season. II. ANOTHER write up on this: From the book "Turnaround": by Tom Stoddard (Amazon.com): ALABAMA MAT DRILLS: The means by which the coaches began player assessments was a “voluntary” conditioning program that began in January. The sessions were voluntary, but everyone knew that players who did not volunteer would find themselves looking for food and lodging elsewhere and lose their scholarships. Bama players underwent 3 phases of the program - agilities, mat drills, & weights (in shifts of 25 in each). Pat James was the coach in charge of the mat drills conducted on a regulation Wrestling Mat. The clear intent was to use the wrestling to test football players’ strength, endurance, and will to win. Wrestling under James was not like wrestling anywhere else. Players were put through the mat drills in shifts of 25. “You wrestled for your life” said one of the players. Some found themselves unable to do anything but crawl away from the mat. At the end of the session as the players stumbled out of the mat room, they were covered with sweat, many of them bleeding and smelling of vomit. It was fairly easy to find out who had ability, that was easy enough. But it took a lot more to find out who was going to stick in, who was tough enough to win when it was hard. “We challenged them - we checked them and checked them again” said Pat James. We weren’t going to have a team that couldn’t take it! The players found the drills a forum in which they could display the kind of aggressiveness that impressed the coaches and earned them the right to play. The players realized that what it “took” was 200 percent. Those who stayed built themselves into the best condition of their lives, and thrived on the intensity. It was survival, that’s all it was. It was the mental thing – reaching down so hard and so deep into what you had – that you either had to get on the wagon or get out! Those who stuck with it were shedding their losing attitudes and beginning to believe in themselves. After enduring this – a player mentally changed, he felt like you could --- could handle anything that showed up. You had gone through so much hell! PS: I would be glad to DISCUSS this with anyone who feels it is important enough to invest a phone call in (PM me for phone number). There is WAY TOO MUCH to type on here.
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Post by chainbucket on Nov 14, 2019 9:31:38 GMT -6
Agree with this 100%. This is an interesting topic everybody has had that kid who just will not hit and does not like contact. I have seen that same kid endure years of intense football workouts and voluntarily participate in a sport whose key ingredient he obviously does not like. Outside football circles he would be considered to be tough for having endured it. Inside football circles he is soft. I personally have never be able to "fix" one of these kids, but an interesting thing happened a year ago. Coaching at a good program with a strong tradition of being physical. We are short on talent at ILB and move a talented overhang there who is a backup. He is smallish for our league but talented enough to play. I can see he does not enjoy contact (footspeed at contact slows down, takes the hit rather than delivers it). But because of his peers and our culture he makes himself do it. Every single tackle he makes is ugly and looks painful, but he does his job every time. I mention this because the only reason (i can think of) that would make him do that is the expectation of his peers and the staff.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 14, 2019 10:14:34 GMT -6
Good handout (on the OP) we received from Bama's S & C Coach:
PUSHING THROUGH THE MENTAL BARRIERS
Often times, there exists only a very fine line between a winning and losing effort in an athletic contest. More often than not, this is due to the degree of mental concentration utilized by the athlete. This concentration cannot be developed in the span of a few days or hours before the contest. It must be worked on weeks and months during the training season to develop sound habits.
Athletes must be prepared to compete in a variety of situations. Namely: (1) heat, (2) cold, (3) wind, (4) fatigue, (5) falling behind, (6) hurt, (7) angry, etc. All these situations require that they show a little more class and concentration than the opponent. How do we prepare for maximum concentration? Let’s start with the basics.
First, have a goal. Second, have a plan to achieve that goal. Third, begin plan and follow through.
Every good athlete is and should be ready to mentally follow his plan. Every time you give in to not doing your workout correctly, you lose some of your ability to achieve! When a situation arises in an athletic contest that is tough, you must know that you are capable of NOT giving up because you have faced tough situations in a workout session.
Here are some guidelines:
1. Be mentally alert to begin workout. Don’t wait until halfway through to “wake-up”.
2. Concentrate even on the smallest detail. Do everything exactly as taught by the coaches.
3. Take pride in everything you do --- Be a leader!
4. Mentally visualize all day long doing things correctly.
5. Don’t hold back. Push yourself beyond your mental limits. Often the mind hold back what the body can do. You can do it! A good example is weight training. Get strong! Challenge yourself on how much you can handle. Mental concentration can make a 10-15% difference with what you can move. This could be the winning edge.
6. On conditioning work, learn to push yourself through the pain barrier. Pain is a part of athletics; you must often compete when tired. If you have not faced and conquered pain in practice, you will not be able to in a contest!
7. Don’t associate with people who don’t want to work, and pay a price. Associate with winners who ALWAYS want to improve. Losers try to find people who they can loaf with --- Be a winner!
ANYONE CAN LOSE. ONLY SPECIAL PEOPLE CAN WIN.
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Post by jaydub66 on Nov 14, 2019 11:55:53 GMT -6
psychologically speaking, toughness in terms of what we want as football coaches is probably knowing something is going to be difficult, and still attempting to do it anyway with a level of enthusiasm.
I'd say during the summer, have once or twice a week, group exercises where kids are given a seemingly innocuous task, building a tower out of dry spaghetti and marshmallows, completing a large and complicated puzzle, etc. Anything where they need to use critical thinking and group participation skills.
Have it timed, if is a task that takes 30 minutes, give them 20 or 15. Almost guarantee they won't get past 70%. Which ever group had the best process, not the best result. (IE no infighting, clear and simple instructions between teammates, execution, focusing on the task, not screwing around, looking and copying what other groups are doing)
The kids need to learn -You can do your best and fail. That's not unfair, it's life -Worry about the process first -Ignore what others are doing -work as a team
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 14, 2019 13:17:15 GMT -6
Agree with this 100%. This is an interesting topic everybody has had that kid who just will not hit and does not like contact. I have seen that same kid endure years of intense football workouts and voluntarily participate in a sport whose key ingredient he obviously does not like. Outside football circles he would be considered to be tough for having endured it. Inside football circles he is soft. I personally have never be able to "fix" one of these kids, but an interesting thing happened a year ago. Coaching at a good program with a strong tradition of being physical. We are short on talent at ILB and move a talented overhang there who is a backup. He is smallish for our league but talented enough to play. I can see he does not enjoy contact (footspeed at contact slows down, takes the hit rather than delivers it). But because of his peers and our culture he makes himself do it. Every single tackle he makes is ugly and looks painful, but he does his job every time. I mention this because the only reason (i can think of) that would make him do that is the expectation of his peers and the staff. Hes a damn tough kid, doing something over and over that he does not want to do. Thats tough. Hes not physical though, theyre different things. Confidence, resiliency and determination can be developed, and those make up toughness. Weightroom work, pushup contests, distance running, 1 on 1 sumo type drills(we do "king of the ring" where the winner stays in against different opponents until he is defeated - he will eventually get beat by a kid that shouldnt beat him because hes exhausted and the other kid is fresh, they both learn something about effort), etc. All of those things help kids develop confidence. Set goals, achieve them, set new goals, achieve them, etc. Look back after a couple of months and kids are way ahead of what they only imagined they could do before, that builds their confidence and they come to believe that they can do anything. Tackle that stud RB , beat that giant OT, block that monster DT, it can all be done if youre confident, determined to succeed and resilient.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 14, 2019 19:51:16 GMT -6
Any advice or recommendations on programs, drills, activities to help train some young, inexperienced kids on mental toughness? I don't like using the term toughness but...Bottom line, we are going to be a young team next year with some good potential but in the past we have struggled with getting our kids to a.) believe they can win b.) compete at a high level every day c.) have the toughness to compete with the big dogs in our conference Have heard of some programs focused on developing mental strength, but not real familiar with what all is out there. There are 3 phases of the program - agilities, mat drills, & weights (in shifts of 25 in each). We feel that our out-of-season "MAT DRILLS" are part of the answer to developing physical AND mental toughness. It is way too much to try to describe ALL THAT here. We used a "watered down" version of the famous Alabama mat drills suitable for High School athletes (OURS weren't QUITE this "rigorus", but you can get the general idea). Our kids loved these (& rose to the challenge): I. Written by one of Bama's former players (Gaylon McCullough, M.D.): WRESTLING CLASS: During the “off season” we stayed in shape through an intensive physical fitness program. “Wrestling Class” as it was then called, was held three days each week in a small, gloomy gymnasium above the old coaches' and athletic offices on University Boulevard. Sometimes tings got pretty testy during these work-outs. There was a tiny door which led out to the roof for those whose got upset causing them to throw up, Wrestling partners were usually assigned by position, i.e., quarterbacks wrestled quarterbacks, tackles wrestled tackles, and centers wrestled centers. My wrestling partner was none other than the consensus All-American and later All-Pro with the Dallas Cowboys) Lee Roy Jordan. That was not by choice. I could never quite decide if the coaching staff was trying to get me to quit or teaming me up with Lee Roy to keep him from getting hurt. Fortunately both of us survived, escaping without injury. During these sessions, I learned what the word “tough” really means. I believe the toughness learned during the off-season programs allowed us to win a couple of games at the wire during the championship season. II. ANOTHER write up on this: From the book "Turnaround": by Tom Stoddard (Amazon.com): ALABAMA MAT DRILLS: The means by which the coaches began player assessments was a “voluntary” conditioning program that began in January. The sessions were voluntary, but everyone knew that players who did not volunteer would find themselves looking for food and lodging elsewhere and lose their scholarships. Bama players underwent 3 phases of the program - agilities, mat drills, & weights (in shifts of 25 in each). Pat James was the coach in charge of the mat drills conducted on a regulation Wrestling Mat. The clear intent was to use the wrestling to test football players’ strength, endurance, and will to win. Wrestling under James was not like wrestling anywhere else. Players were put through the mat drills in shifts of 25. “You wrestled for your life” said one of the players. Some found themselves unable to do anything but crawl away from the mat. At the end of the session as the players stumbled out of the mat room, they were covered with sweat, many of them bleeding and smelling of vomit. It was fairly easy to find out who had ability, that was easy enough. But it took a lot more to find out who was going to stick in, who was tough enough to win when it was hard. “We challenged them - we checked them and checked them again” said Pat James. We weren’t going to have a team that couldn’t take it! The players found the drills a forum in which they could display the kind of aggressiveness that impressed the coaches and earned them the right to play. The players realized that what it “took” was 200 percent. Those who stayed built themselves into the best condition of their lives, and thrived on the intensity. It was survival, that’s all it was. It was the mental thing – reaching down so hard and so deep into what you had – that you either had to get on the wagon or get out! Those who stuck with it were shedding their losing attitudes and beginning to believe in themselves. After enduring this – a player mentally changed, he felt like you could --- could handle anything that showed up. You had gone through so much hell! PS: I would be glad to DISCUSS this with anyone who feels it is important enough to invest a phone call in (PM me for phone number). There is WAY TOO MUCH to type on here. Ya COULD just encourage kids to wrestle...
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 14, 2019 20:30:48 GMT -6
There are 3 phases of the program - agilities, mat drills, & weights (in shifts of 25 in each). We feel that our out-of-season "MAT DRILLS" are part of the answer to developing physical AND mental toughness. It is way too much to try to describe ALL THAT here. We used a "watered down" version of the famous Alabama mat drills suitable for High School athletes (OURS weren't QUITE this "rigorus", but you can get the general idea). Our kids loved these (& rose to the challenge): I. Written by one of Bama's former players (Gaylon McCullough, M.D.): WRESTLING CLASS: During the “off season” we stayed in shape through an intensive physical fitness program. “Wrestling Class” as it was then called, was held three days each week in a small, gloomy gymnasium above the old coaches' and athletic offices on University Boulevard. Sometimes tings got pretty testy during these work-outs. There was a tiny door which led out to the roof for those whose got upset causing them to throw up, Wrestling partners were usually assigned by position, i.e., quarterbacks wrestled quarterbacks, tackles wrestled tackles, and centers wrestled centers. My wrestling partner was none other than the consensus All-American and later All-Pro with the Dallas Cowboys) Lee Roy Jordan. That was not by choice. I could never quite decide if the coaching staff was trying to get me to quit or teaming me up with Lee Roy to keep him from getting hurt. Fortunately both of us survived, escaping without injury. During these sessions, I learned what the word “tough” really means. I believe the toughness learned during the off-season programs allowed us to win a couple of games at the wire during the championship season. II. ANOTHER write up on this: From the book "Turnaround": by Tom Stoddard (Amazon.com): ALABAMA MAT DRILLS: The means by which the coaches began player assessments was a “voluntary” conditioning program that began in January. The sessions were voluntary, but everyone knew that players who did not volunteer would find themselves looking for food and lodging elsewhere and lose their scholarships. Bama players underwent 3 phases of the program - agilities, mat drills, & weights (in shifts of 25 in each). Pat James was the coach in charge of the mat drills conducted on a regulation Wrestling Mat. The clear intent was to use the wrestling to test football players’ strength, endurance, and will to win. Wrestling under James was not like wrestling anywhere else. Players were put through the mat drills in shifts of 25. “You wrestled for your life” said one of the players. Some found themselves unable to do anything but crawl away from the mat. At the end of the session as the players stumbled out of the mat room, they were covered with sweat, many of them bleeding and smelling of vomit. It was fairly easy to find out who had ability, that was easy enough. But it took a lot more to find out who was going to stick in, who was tough enough to win when it was hard. “We challenged them - we checked them and checked them again” said Pat James. We weren’t going to have a team that couldn’t take it! The players found the drills a forum in which they could display the kind of aggressiveness that impressed the coaches and earned them the right to play. The players realized that what it “took” was 200 percent. Those who stayed built themselves into the best condition of their lives, and thrived on the intensity. It was survival, that’s all it was. It was the mental thing – reaching down so hard and so deep into what you had – that you either had to get on the wagon or get out! Those who stuck with it were shedding their losing attitudes and beginning to believe in themselves. After enduring this – a player mentally changed, he felt like you could --- could handle anything that showed up. You had gone through so much hell! PS: I would be glad to DISCUSS this with anyone who feels it is important enough to invest a phone call in (PM me for phone number). There is WAY TOO MUCH to type on here. Ya COULD just encourage kids to wrestle... Many of our players DO wrestle (James Farrior was one who did). This is a little different. The clear intent was to use the wrestling to test football players’ strength, endurance, and will to win. It was was not like wrestling anywhere else (short, intense bursts).
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 14, 2019 20:45:25 GMT -6
Don't mind the casual, ego inflating name drop...
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 14, 2019 20:49:13 GMT -6
Don't mind the casual, ego inflating name drop... You just can't resist being a smart a** with personal remarks! There were a WHOLE LOT MORE. You must not have had any!
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 14, 2019 21:03:50 GMT -6
There's two types of coaches in this world. Those that look back at their careers and say, man I was lucky to have coached such talented, physically blessed players.
And then, there's those that think they're responsible for making those unicorns.
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