Players getting into it with coaches

Well player 2 wouldn't see the field if he doesn't practice well. The kids that perform the best in practice are the ones that get in the game. I'm not sure how important this guy is or how awful his backup is so it's all relative, but I put my best five OL out on the field and the way I evaluate that is through practice. I'll watch practice film with them a bit in the beginning of the year to let them see what I see too.

We had a lot of "player 1" types on our JV team this year. We kicked one off the team, suspended 3-4 others for various lengths of time. They would cop attitude with myself and other varsity games when we'd try to coach them up during JV games, always blame someone else when things go wrong. I'm not really looking forward to these kids coming up to varsity to be honest. They're all outstanding athletes but they have {censored} selfish attitudes and routinely put their team at a disadvantage through undisciplined penalties.

I would have been in favor of kicking more than one of them off the team or suspended them for far longer but we'll see how it goes when they come up next year, maybe at the varsity level they'll get their act together (not holding my breath).

Anyway if a kid gets a bunch of personal fouls I'd at least bench him for a half, next time a game, and so on.

You can't win without discipline and most surely will lose without it.

Put another way - you have to be willing to lose in order to instill discipline.

You can win with talented kids but you can also lose with them if they are undisciplined-uncoachable.

Unsportsmanlike and Personal Foul penalties hurt the TEAM.

Where is Vontaze Burfict playing now, for ex.? He had a hand in getting his college coach fired because of his behavior in spite of his talent.

Get rid of them for the rest of the year. They have likely poisoned the rest of your team, and getting them out of there may be the only antidote.

I'll echo what has been stated about removing the kids from the team. Or at least suspending them for a game. That kind of undisciplined, disrespectful behavior will spread to the team if it's not addressed. We removed two kids from this team this year for that type of behavior and they're both talented athletes. Our season might have been much different if they would have learned from various disciplinarian actions and changed their behavior.

We did our best to give them opportunities to change and grow (ran them, suspended them for a half, suspended them for a game, held multiple conferences, etc..etc..) but it was time to cut ties when we saw some of the other kids displaying bad behavior. When they hired me, I told them I would lose games with a disciplined coachable team over winning games with a lack of discipline.. And, i proved it..

That is exactly the opposite of a clean slate. That is just enabling it. Don't be surprised when it escalates.

blb Will keep you posted on how it goes...

 It would appear that they've already been allowed to show poor behavior and continue to play.  That would be why they still think they can do so.  That garbage should have been dealt with before now.  You can expect to have it continue with these two and with others who see these two get away with it.  Why are there so many poorly behaved prima donnas at the next level?  Because their high school coaches let them get away with garbage because they are talented.  Cant win with them and cant win without them?  Then why put up with the problems?  If they weren't talented, what would you do with them?

What do programs do when a coach yells and cusses at a player on the sideline?

Is one acceptable and not the other?

Are both unacceptable?

Do any programs reprimand coaches for this action?

I wasn't intentionally trying to make a point. I am genuinely curious about how coaches deal with the coaches who yell/cuss at kids. 

I agree with you that it should be avoided. 

We rarely tolerate coaches hollering at kids at practice. I can back a coach if they're raising their voice here and there as long as a) it's followed by constructive coaching and b)it's not berating the kids.. But, if they're consistently yelling, we have a problem as it's not proactive. Yelling=discipline.

I don't allow swearing at the kids, period. A little general PG/PG-13 language is acceptable but it can't be directed at anyone. And, we're going to have a problem if a guy is swearing just to swear...

Behind closed doors play ball.  Out in public way out of line.  

Our high school team endured a staggering amount of nonsense this year. Just some truly ridiculous stuff that I have NEVER seen before on a high school football team. It started this summer with a couple senior "leaders" and their parents. And, because it was not dealt with this summer, these kids and their parents were enabled and empowered and it continued to fester.

We ended up 4-5. We lost 4 of those 5 games by a total of 18 points.

In one of those games, we were down 34-27 and drove down to the 5 yard line with about 30 seconds left in the game. Threw an INT in the endzone. Kid who made the interception runs out of the endzone and slides. Whistle blows, game over. One of our senior "leaders" (kid was a captain) comes flying out of nowhere and puts his shoulder into the kid on the ground. Flag gets thrown for a dead ball foul. On that play, there was DPI in the endzone. So, we should have had the ball on about the 3 yard line. But, because it was a dead ball personal foul, we got half the distance marked off from the original spot but then the dead ball personal foul gets marked off. So, instead of going for the score from the 3 yard line, we go from the 18. Completed the pass to the 1-yard line. Game over. We lose.

We were 4-4 going into the last game of the year. About 7 minutes left in the game. We are down 22-20 after scoring. We are starting to take over the game. We are running the ball well. Other team is tired. All we need to do is get a stop and get the ball back and we have a good chance to win, end up 5-4, and get in the playoffs. So, we have them at a 4th and 6 with about 4 minutes left. They bring their punt team out but then they take a timeout. After the timeout, they put their offense back on the field. Everyone in the stadium knows they are going to try and draw us offsides. That is, everyone except one of our "leaders" (same kid in story above). Of course, he encroaches, they get 5 free yards and convert a 4th and 1. On the very next play, another captain, who got his butt kicked most of the night, starts jawing with an official. Official throws a flag on him. 15 more yards. Another first down. We are out of timeouts. They take a knee and run the clock out.

Now, in both of the above situations, we still had to score to win. There's no guarantee we would have. But, the point is, because we were not disciplined and smart, we didn't even give ouselves a chance. We removed any possibility of taking the lead because we had selfish, undisciplined players.

We had the talent to be 6-3 or 7-2 this year. But, our lack of discipline and self-control cost us dearly. It was the most frustrating football season I ever had to sit through. Pains me to say it, but I was glad when it was over. Was not fun to watch.

It was particularly entertaining to me last week to listen to youth coaches and players MF'ing each other on the sideline.