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Post by tog on Oct 17, 2006 14:50:44 GMT -6
how do you guys go about this?
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Post by indyball on Oct 17, 2006 15:06:19 GMT -6
I will take a stab at answering this one even though I may not quite understand the question.
We have a bye week this week, so on Saturday instead of breaking down opponents, we are going to break down ourselves through Proscout and figure out what we are giving away. There have been certain instances in games where it seems that the opponent sends absolutely everyone to the hole we are going to, so a check up is due. We are Wing T, but use multiple sets and all kinds of variations to keep defenses guessing, but we fear there might be a tell or two we inadvertantly have created.
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Post by brophy on Oct 17, 2006 15:10:18 GMT -6
we have done stuff where the first few weeks of the season we run exclusively a Cover 0 blitz....and antsy as they are, our kids will show it. Usually on 2nd and long or 3rd & medium. After the 3rd week, we never run it again....but we "show" it by creeping the backers and prowling the corners.....we bail out at the snap and either play games with the line (stunts) or an exchange blitz with the OLB/DE. I guess the thinking is....to keep folks honest. Also to break 'tendencies' we show pretty much everything in the playbook between the 30's (on defense)....sometimes for no rhyme or reason....just to get it on film for our opponents.  Sometimes doing the opposite of your tendency can lead you to out-guess yourself, and give up a sure thing. |
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 17, 2006 15:12:24 GMT -6
I was just going to post something along these lines.
Basically, I view it like this. Be prepared to break tendencies on things that work...have a counter.
For instance. I run unbalanced. For the first 5 games this season, whenever I ran unbalance, my opponent didn't adjust, and we ran to power side having the advantage.
This past weekend, I ran unbalanced left, counter right and broke a run for 25 yards. It was a thing of beauty.
Also - 3rd or 4th and 1 or less? I run silent count QB sneak.
I told my QB if he ever sees the defense say "Silent count" he can call "brown"...which switches to a hard count.
In short, stick to your tendencies, because they work, but give your QB the ability to change the play if the defense adjusts.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 17, 2006 15:14:14 GMT -6
The HS guy I worked under last year loved bubble screen- it was his favorite 1st down call game in and game out. The next game, his favorite 1st down call was "gangster" package off of the bubble screen. The opposing defense spenting so much time working to stop the play that they gave up #1 slants all day long.
I personally like establishing tendencies during the game and then breaking them with a complimentary PA or counter.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 17, 2006 16:35:08 GMT -6
We got burned by a team one year after they picked up that 3rd and short was a play action for us - we had somehow missed it! They picked off the pass and a few plays later they scored. We came back to win but it was scary! We play them every year so the next year we didn't run that play against them at all! THIS year we ran it on first down 3 times and hit all 3 for big plays.
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Post by semi-pro64 on Oct 17, 2006 22:43:39 GMT -6
Generally, we have 7 run plays and we run them out 10 different formations.
Like Coachcb said it is important to have complimentary plays, stench and boot, dive/option, iso/counter etc, etc. As a young OC I have to keep reminding myself not to out smart myself by trying to over correct tendencies. I played for a college coach who was very successful and one of his first rules of play calling was not reinvent the wheel (run it until they stop it).
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Post by coachbw on Oct 18, 2006 9:01:00 GMT -6
I complete a self scout on our offense every week before even looking at our upcoming opponent (email me if you would like to see a sample). It takes about 2 hours, but I think it is well worth the work Then I match our tendencies up with their tendencies to come up with my call sheet. The other thing that I really use this for to find out what playactions I want to carry into a game. For example, I love counter boot, but have had times when a team may have only seen 2 or 3 counters on our film, so by looking at the self scout I can tell that it might be better to run a zone boot or Iso PAP against them. One last piece of advice that I have for people who want to scout themselves is . . . don't include games that your opponent hasn't seen on film in your self scout. I know it sounds simple, but I have met people that insist they are ok because they know what their tendencies are for the season as a whole. I would much prefer to know what my tendencies are on ethe 3 tapes they are breaking down.
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Post by indyball on Oct 18, 2006 10:06:41 GMT -6
If we feel teams are keying on our guards adamently, we will run "sucker" traps, where we either pull the guard the opposite way (strong side Tackle Trap, Guard pulls to Strong side and takes LB with him) or we will have guard set up in pass block and have Tackle clean him up. We lose that extra blocker, but if their LBs are well-coached they will end up bailing out of the play anyway. Of course, stuff like that is always situational...
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Post by ogie4 on Oct 18, 2006 11:57:33 GMT -6
Have a handful of plays and hang your hat on them with a bunch of formations, bumps and motions.
Or reverse, run a couple formations and have a library of plays to run at them.
Obviously, Flipping your line left and right also doubles every thing.
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Post by jhanawa on Oct 18, 2006 20:47:41 GMT -6
Togger,
This is something that I think can be of great benefit if you set if up in prior weeks. I know that you tell your kids not to look ahead but as a coach you are always aware of who you will be facing and what they will be seeing of you on film. Nothing more satisfying than setting up some one with a particuliar look that YOU know they are GOING to be ready for, and having the pefect wrinkle set up off it. A quick example would be that you run WR screen from a particuliar look the last few weeks, and this week you fake it and throw it deep behind the CB that is coming up for a highlight hit on the screen.....stuff like that, makes the game a passion to coach.....
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 19, 2006 6:26:46 GMT -6
We self scout. So when we detect what might be a "rut" in our playcalling we might switch it up. It might be D&D or formation tendency. But you're right about out guessing yourself. If something is working don't go away from it.
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