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Post by hlb2 on Aug 4, 2019 7:51:52 GMT -6
I had gone to a clinic years ago that had some tips and tricks for making sure your athletes were actually watching the video you sent them and not just letting one clip loop a bunch of times while they played video games. I'm stepping into a situation where they have Hudl, but have never used it. I'm coming from a place where Hudl was the blood that flowed through the program's veins. So as you can see, this is a big change for some. I know you can track their minutes in Hudl, but they can cheat that system if they wanted to. I want to hold them accountable. I can't remember, but I went to a clinic that discussed this, years ago and for the life of me cannot remember what they said to do. I think it was adding a note to a specific clip and getting them to recite it back to you at practice or something of that nature.
Any suggestions? Thank you.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2019 9:15:59 GMT -6
I had gone to a clinic years ago that had some tips and tricks for making sure your athletes were actually watching the video you sent them and not just letting one clip loop a bunch of times while they played video games. I'm stepping into a situation where they have Hudl, but have never used it. I'm coming from a place where Hudl was the blood that flowed through the program's veins. So as you can see, this is a big change for some. I know you can track their minutes in Hudl, but they can cheat that system if they wanted to. I want to hold them accountable. I can't remember, but I went to a clinic that discussed this, years ago and for the life of me cannot remember what they said to do. I think it was adding a note to a specific clip and getting them to recite it back to you at practice or something of that nature. Any suggestions? Thank you. Do the kids want to win? Can you demonstrate that doing what you ask helps them win? I understand the idea of "accountability" but if you have to come up with ways to make people do things they aren't really invested in, I don't think you will get much from it.
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Post by lochness on Aug 4, 2019 9:50:21 GMT -6
Forcing them to do something the don't want to do never ends well
Instead of monitoring them, find a way to demonstrate the value...so they want to do it.
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Post by agap on Aug 4, 2019 11:32:10 GMT -6
Some coaches will put a note that the first player to respond wins something, like a Gatorade.
I think it would be better to make a short playlist with notes for the players to watch. If you expect them to watch a playlist from practice that is 75 clips, it most likely won't happen. If you make a playlist of less than 10 clips, they are more likely to watch it.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 4, 2019 12:19:57 GMT -6
I had gone to a clinic years ago that had some tips and tricks for making sure your athletes were actually watching the video you sent them and not just letting one clip loop a bunch of times while they played video games. I'm stepping into a situation where they have Hudl, but have never used it. I'm coming from a place where Hudl was the blood that flowed through the program's veins. So as you can see, this is a big change for some. I know you can track their minutes in Hudl, but they can cheat that system if they wanted to. I want to hold them accountable. I can't remember, but I went to a clinic that discussed this, years ago and for the life of me cannot remember what they said to do. I think it was adding a note to a specific clip and getting them to recite it back to you at practice or something of that nature. Any suggestions? Thank you. Do the kids want to win? Can you demonstrate that doing what you ask helps them win? I understand the idea of "accountability" but if you have to come up with ways to make people do things they aren't really invested in, I don't think you will get much from it. Do kids need to watch film for you to win?
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2019 12:30:42 GMT -6
Do the kids want to win? Can you demonstrate that doing what you ask helps them win? I understand the idea of "accountability" but if you have to come up with ways to make people do things they aren't really invested in, I don't think you will get much from it. Do kids need to watch film for you to win? Need? No. Can it help? Sure I guess. I think it has been shown through history (and discussed on this board) that the list of things that some teams do and some teams don't do regarding winning proves that it is impossible to lay out a list of things that a program "needs" to do.
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Post by fantom on Aug 4, 2019 13:03:24 GMT -6
I think that monitoring can be useful in that you can see who's watching. In our system the decision makers were our Mike and free safety. If I saw that they weren't watching much film I'd talk to them impress the importance of film. If that didn't work and they were good enough players to be on the field we'd have to consider either changing their positions or having another player make the decisions. After all, we prefer our Mike and FS make the calls and checks but it's not a law that it has to be them.
Trying to force players to watch film is a losing proposition, I think. If they're among your best 11 you can't bench them (Do I really care if our 3 tech doesn't watch film?). They might just let the film run while they watch TV, like I did during annual concussion lessons.
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Post by blb on Aug 4, 2019 13:15:32 GMT -6
If you want to make sure your kids are watching film bring them in as a TEAM and explain to them that (even if they didn't play) when you are talking to one 3 technique (or any other) you are coaching them all.
And when you show them opponent's film, you want those kids who know they will be Scout teamers to watch how the plays are run so they can do them correctly-contribute to team victory in that way.
You won't get that from having them watching HUDL on their own, with or without "notes."
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Post by mc140 on Aug 4, 2019 14:50:20 GMT -6
10 clips max for my defense to watch. More about identifying who their best players are so my kids are aware. We watch on Mondays. After film I release game film to kids if they want to watch. Some watch, most don't but I don't really care.
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Post by blb on Aug 4, 2019 14:58:59 GMT -6
10 clips max for my defense to watch. More about identifying who their best players are so my kids are aware. We watch on Mondays. After film I release game film to kids if they want to watch. Some watch, most don't but I don't really care.
How do you have your kids watch your own game film-hold them "accountable" or more importantly use it as a tool to construct improved performances?
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Post by mc140 on Aug 4, 2019 18:12:58 GMT -6
10 clips max for my defense to watch. More about identifying who their best players are so my kids are aware. We watch on Mondays. After film I release game film to kids if they want to watch. Some watch, most don't but I don't really care.
How do you have your kids watch your own game film-hold them "accountable" or more importantly use it as a tool to construct improved performances?
10 Clips are of a future opponent. We will spend around 20-30 minutes watching the previous weeks game. We mark up and share with kids over the weekend. On Monday will go through clips that were particularly good or bad as a team. We never go through the whole game with them in film. They lose interest relatively quick.
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Post by canesfan on Aug 4, 2019 18:46:10 GMT -6
Make it important to the right kids in your program and it will help tremendously.
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Post by vanden48 on Aug 4, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -6
I have them fill out one page scouting sheets on the opponent that has very simple things for them to fill out. First is the starting lineups, jersey numbers. Then I have them pick out the weakest OL, WR/RB, DL, LB, DB. I have them write in position Keys, particular for them. I had a DE that noticed a OT's key for Run and Pass, and it was 100% spot on. Then I have them grade their position from the previous game.
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Post by CoachP on Aug 5, 2019 17:02:46 GMT -6
We just get them to answer a series of questions;
Best Run Play Favourite target in pass game Best Player 1 thing they noticed about the guy across from them
Real easy for them to copy and paste the first 3 answers but the fourth tell us they at least watched something of importance.
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Post by mdunham on Aug 5, 2019 21:30:03 GMT -6
I don't care as much as I used to. I've yet to see correlation between film hours and success.
Kids will either not watch or let it run if we kept on them. Unless there's a specific focus they'll just watch the game and say how much Jimmy from the other team sucks or find plays that are funny. I used to be gung ho but the more years go by I'm fine with that now - at least they watch something.
Anything we find relevant we will cover in meetings. We will share any playlists (short) we find relevant. We watch our own film on Saturday morning, correct any mistakes and maybe answer questions kids may have based on something that happened. We will watch scout films on some combination of Mon, Tue, Wed (usually Monday since JV plays and we're light guys, and Tue to get our final points in). We try to make it specific as possible. For O, OC may talk about coverage vs formations and any pressures. For D - main formations to discuss our alignments, any relevant huge run/pass keys, very hard tendencies, and third downs.
I try to improve every year to be more efficient with our film sessions and really wanting to get on our guys. We had a stud MLB couple years ago watched 2mins a week but knew where to line up, had good instincts, and would be able to learn more about the opponent through playing against it in team - he didn't need film to watch opponent. We don't script our Scout O vs Team D so we can really hammer in certain themes of the week - and a lot of our kids will pick up on it. Also gives flexibility to challenge D mentally on the field to not cheat the play - if we find a play giving D trouble we'll try to get it out of different formations.
As it is - kids already have a lot on their plate with school, football, and having some time to themselves. While we certainly encourage it, if they know where to line up, that's half the battle. We can coach them up on the technique rather than them lining up trying to guess what's coming. I'd rather our kids know our stuff inside and out and have time to focus on their school work and if they have time, let them have free time to play video games or hang out. When there's no pressure on them to watch it, I've found they'll spend time to watch on their own in a study when they don't have work or outside.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 6, 2019 3:41:38 GMT -6
Do the kids want to win? Can you demonstrate that doing what you ask helps them win? I understand the idea of "accountability" but if you have to come up with ways to make people do things they aren't really invested in, I don't think you will get much from it. Do kids need to watch film for you to win? Yes. I think it’s the most effective way for a kid to connect with what you are saying. What they are feeling on the field is not always what actually happened. I ask kids to watch film practice a couple times during camp and after every game. They are getting a 10 to 15 minute playlist that can be watched in 5 to 10 minutes. There are 10,080 minutes in a week. I need kids to use 10 of them for film. I would let them out of practice 10 minutes early one day to make sure they are watching it that’s how much I value it.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 6, 2019 3:46:46 GMT -6
If you want to make sure your kids are watching film bring them in as a TEAM and explain to them that (even if they didn't play) when you are talking to one 3 technique (or any other) you are coaching them all. And when you show them opponent's film, you want those kids who know they will be Scout teamers to watch how the plays are run so they can do them correctly-contribute to team victory in that way. You won't get that from having them watching HUDL on their own, with or without "notes." My experience has been if you send them a playlist with position specific notes they will watch it. I send them by position group. Maybe not every kid. But I usually post them by Saturday morning. Last year I didn’t send them until Sunday because I had family in town. By Saturday evening I had a dozen text asking where they were. You are right you aren’t going to get them all to focus, but you also won’t get that if they are in a room together.
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Post by CS on Aug 6, 2019 19:51:59 GMT -6
I don't care as much as I used to. I've yet to see correlation between film hours and success. Kids will either not watch or let it run if we kept on them. Unless there's a specific focus they'll just watch the game and say how much Jimmy from the other team sucks or find plays that are funny. I used to be gung ho but the more years go by I'm fine with that now - at least they watch something. Anything we find relevant we will cover in meetings. We will share any playlists (short) we find relevant. We watch our own film on Saturday morning, correct any mistakes and maybe answer questions kids may have based on something that happened. We will watch scout films on some combination of Mon, Tue, Wed (usually Monday since JV plays and we're light guys, and Tue to get our final points in). We try to make it specific as possible. For O, OC may talk about coverage vs formations and any pressures. For D - main formations to discuss our alignments, any relevant huge run/pass keys, very hard tendencies, and third downs. I try to improve every year to be more efficient with our film sessions and really wanting to get on our guys. We had a stud MLB couple years ago watched 2mins a week but knew where to line up, had good instincts, and would be able to learn more about the opponent through playing against it in team - he didn't need film to watch opponent. We don't script our Scout O vs Team D so we can really hammer in certain themes of the week - and a lot of our kids will pick up on it. Also gives flexibility to challenge D mentally on the field to not cheat the play - if we find a play giving D trouble we'll try to get it out of different formations. As it is - kids already have a lot on their plate with school, football, and having some time to themselves. While we certainly encourage it, if they know where to line up, that's half the battle. We can coach them up on the technique rather than them lining up trying to guess what's coming. I'd rather our kids know our stuff inside and out and have time to focus on their school work and if they have time, let them have free time to play video games or hang out. When there's no pressure on them to watch it, I've found they'll spend time to watch on their own in a study when they don't have work or outside. If you have never seen a correlation with watching film and success you haven’t been doing this very long.
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Post by mdunham on Aug 6, 2019 20:27:03 GMT -6
I don't care as much as I used to. I've yet to see correlation between film hours and success. Kids will either not watch or let it run if we kept on them. Unless there's a specific focus they'll just watch the game and say how much Jimmy from the other team sucks or find plays that are funny. I used to be gung ho but the more years go by I'm fine with that now - at least they watch something. Anything we find relevant we will cover in meetings. We will share any playlists (short) we find relevant. We watch our own film on Saturday morning, correct any mistakes and maybe answer questions kids may have based on something that happened. We will watch scout films on some combination of Mon, Tue, Wed (usually Monday since JV plays and we're light guys, and Tue to get our final points in). We try to make it specific as possible. For O, OC may talk about coverage vs formations and any pressures. For D - main formations to discuss our alignments, any relevant huge run/pass keys, very hard tendencies, and third downs. I try to improve every year to be more efficient with our film sessions and really wanting to get on our guys. We had a stud MLB couple years ago watched 2mins a week but knew where to line up, had good instincts, and would be able to learn more about the opponent through playing against it in team - he didn't need film to watch opponent. We don't script our Scout O vs Team D so we can really hammer in certain themes of the week - and a lot of our kids will pick up on it. Also gives flexibility to challenge D mentally on the field to not cheat the play - if we find a play giving D trouble we'll try to get it out of different formations. As it is - kids already have a lot on their plate with school, football, and having some time to themselves. While we certainly encourage it, if they know where to line up, that's half the battle. We can coach them up on the technique rather than them lining up trying to guess what's coming. I'd rather our kids know our stuff inside and out and have time to focus on their school work and if they have time, let them have free time to play video games or hang out. When there's no pressure on them to watch it, I've found they'll spend time to watch on their own in a study when they don't have work or outside. If you have never seen a correlation with watching film and success you haven’t been doing this very long. Definitely on the younger side and not as many years as a lot of guys here no doubt - lots to learn as well - I'm sure as I get older and I gain more years I'll look at things a bit differently. Maybe I haven't been at a place that has emphasized it enough or done it well enough...Definitely a positive if we have kids watch on their own time (plenty do), but we don't have a mandatory standard. Mandatory is knowing the plays/scheme installed so they know where to line up, know what to do, and execute. We'll show in meetings our emphasis in terms of scout. We'll watch our films and correct as needed. But rather than cut practice time to watch film I'd rather use that time on technique areas like blocking/tackling. They get a tip sheet they can go over. I'd rather guys go home , eat well, get school work done, have time themselves, and get 8-10 hours sleep - if they watch film cool if they play video games cool. Already long days, pressures, and demands on their time. When talking to our kids while a lot LIKE football only a few LOVE it - more kids play because their friends and friendships more so than the game itself. I can tell who's the love football group based on their view time. Our job as staff is to put in the hours watching film and giving them the information they need.
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Post by CS on Aug 7, 2019 2:50:44 GMT -6
If you have never seen a correlation with watching film and success you haven’t been doing this very long. Definitely on the younger side and not as many years as a lot of guys here no doubt - lots to learn as well - I'm sure as I get older and I gain more years I'll look at things a bit differently. Maybe I haven't been at a place that has emphasized it enough or done it well enough...Definitely a positive if we have kids watch on their own time (plenty do), but we don't have a mandatory standard. Mandatory is knowing the plays/scheme installed so they know where to line up, know what to do, and execute. We'll show in meetings our emphasis in terms of scout. We'll watch our films and correct as needed. But rather than cut practice time to watch film I'd rather use that time on technique areas like blocking/tackling. They get a tip sheet they can go over. I'd rather guys go home , eat well, get school work done, have time themselves, and get 8-10 hours sleep - if they watch film cool if they play video games cool. Already long days, pressures, and demands on their time. When talking to our kids while a lot LIKE football only a few LOVE it - more kids play because their friends and friendships more so than the game itself. I can tell who's the love football group based on their view time. Our job as staff is to put in the hours watching film and giving them the information they need. So you have guys on your team that watch film and some that don’t and you don’t see that the guys who watch film are much more prepared for practices and “get” what your trying to do better? We don’t mandate any film watching. We encourage it because it makes them better prepared in general.
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Post by seabass on Aug 7, 2019 12:32:51 GMT -6
I'm a position coach (OL). I only monitor my group. I send the group a good and bad clip of each of our 4-5 base run schemes and 2-3 pass pro clips after every game. I annotate them...It's never more than 12-15 clips each week.
I have seen a direct correlation between the performance of the kids who watch film vs those who don't.
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Post by blb on Aug 7, 2019 14:24:08 GMT -6
How do you motivate kids who only get in at the end of games and never get to see themselves on film?
Would seem like they wouldn't practice very hard then.
And coaches would bitch about Scout Teams efforts.
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Post by CS on Aug 7, 2019 17:14:33 GMT -6
How do you motivate kids who only get in at the end of games and never get to see themselves on film?
Would seem like they wouldn't practice very hard then.
And coaches would bitch about Scout Teams efforts. You don’t. Unless they are younger and can sale them on the fact that it will make them better in the long run. We have seniors on the scout team and I don’t bother with “motivating” them to watch film
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