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Post by blb on Jul 27, 2019 6:55:06 GMT -6
Conflicts aren't confined to poor or rural communities.
Friend of mine coached in a resort town that was heavily dependent on tourism, and the kids worked in that industry especially in the summer.
When he first went there he was going to run traditional Two-a-Days (practice began two weeks before Labor Day and the start of school).
At first practice he had nine kids. Total.
He went to the business people in town and told them he would make sure football players could be at work at 9 am if they would make sure they're out by 5 pm, could grab a bite to eat, and be back for an evening practice.
So they practiced from 7-8:30 am, and 6-8 pm. Problem solved.
Sometimes you have to A&I.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 27, 2019 9:10:10 GMT -6
Hate to say it but some places playing football is just a fun thing for guys to do It should be that way everywhere, but, like usual, the adults have found a way to make it miserable for the kids so they can benefit. My daughter is going to be a freshman and play 3 sports this year. Besides Saturday and Sunday, IDK that she's had 5 days without at least 3 hours of some sort of camp or workout. It's {censored} ridiculous. It's causing the drops in participation in sports, but what do I know? As a guy who worked 530am-2pmish my freshman through senior years of HS, there's no way I could have played football for some of you guys. And I don't think I would have wanted to.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 27, 2019 10:12:18 GMT -6
We don't punish players. Most of our players understand football is commitment and do their best to be at as much as possible in the summer. We are pretty lucky we have good community support. Once the season starts it really isn't an issue.
At a previous school I was at where I was a head coach we did not punish players either. Now I did tell the kids you know the more often you miss the harder it is going to be to play you? Not because I am punishing you but because you won't be as good or know what to do compared to other teammates. But even there, where there was much less support and much more poverty it wasn't an issue. Summer lifting was scheduled early in the day. Camp was either in the morning or after "working hours" typically 6-8 at night (or something like that).
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Post by wingtol on Jul 27, 2019 10:51:14 GMT -6
Hate to say it but some places playing football is just a fun thing for guys to do It should be that way everywhere, but, like usual, the adults have found a way to make it miserable for the kids so they can benefit. My daughter is going to be a freshman and play 3 sports this year. Besides Saturday and Sunday, IDK that she's had 5 days without at least 3 hours of some sort of camp or workout. It's {censored} ridiculous. It's causing the drops in participation in sports, but what do I know? As a guy who worked 530am-2pmish my freshman through senior years of HS, there's no way I could have played football for some of you guys. And I don't think I would have wanted to. There is such a fine line between getting yourself ready for a season and just doing stuff to do stuff. Sadly many seem to have not only crossed that line but driven miles past it. Maybe as I get older and the years seem to get shorter it's making a difference for me personally but we are just getting to the point of diminishing returns with it all.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 27, 2019 11:10:28 GMT -6
We don't punish players. Most of our players understand football is commitment and do their best to be at as much as possible in the summer. We are pretty lucky we have good community support. Once the season starts it really isn't an issue. At a previous school I was at where I was a head coach we did not punish players either. Now I did tell the kids you know the more often you miss the harder it is going to be to play you? Not because I am punishing you but because you won't be as good or know what to do compared to other teammates. But even there, where there was much less support and much more poverty it wasn't an issue. Summer lifting was scheduled early in the day. Camp was either in the morning or after "working hours" typically 6-8 at night (or something like that). "Not punishing", but punishing.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 27, 2019 11:12:26 GMT -6
It should be that way everywhere, but, like usual, the adults have found a way to make it miserable for the kids so they can benefit. My daughter is going to be a freshman and play 3 sports this year. Besides Saturday and Sunday, IDK that she's had 5 days without at least 3 hours of some sort of camp or workout. It's {censored} ridiculous. It's causing the drops in participation in sports, but what do I know? As a guy who worked 530am-2pmish my freshman through senior years of HS, there's no way I could have played football for some of you guys. And I don't think I would have wanted to. There is such a fine line between getting yourself ready for a season and just doing stuff to do stuff. Sadly many seem to have not only crossed that line but driven miles past it. Maybe as I get older and the years seem to get shorter it's making a difference for me personally but we are just getting to the point of diminishing returns with it all. There is nothing to be accomplished by going longer than 2 hours a day, 3, occasionally 4 days (like once or twice a summer) a week. My daughter is seriously thinking about which sport to drop just to get away from the non stop {censored} their coaches expect them to do. And she's not the only one.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2019 12:52:35 GMT -6
We don't punish players. Most of our players understand football is commitment and do their best to be at as much as possible in the summer. We are pretty lucky we have good community support. Once the season starts it really isn't an issue. At a previous school I was at where I was a head coach we did not punish players either. Now I did tell the kids you know the more often you miss the harder it is going to be to play you? Not because I am punishing you but because you won't be as good or know what to do compared to other teammates. But even there, where there was much less support and much more poverty it wasn't an issue. Summer lifting was scheduled early in the day. Camp was either in the morning or after "working hours" typically 6-8 at night (or something like that). "Not punishing", but punishing. How is anything that is typed here punishing?
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 27, 2019 13:19:29 GMT -6
"Not punishing", but punishing. How is anything that is typed here punishing? I'm not punishing you, but you're not going to play.
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2019 13:35:22 GMT -6
How is anything that is typed here punishing? I'm not punishing you, but you're not going to play. He didn't say that. He said that if he didn't work out he'd likely be behind others.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2019 14:07:23 GMT -6
How is anything that is typed here punishing? I'm not punishing you, but you're not going to play. That isn't what I got from his statement at all. I got "Hey, just be aware that when you are out working, He is getting better. That might manifest come September. "
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Post by canesfan on Jul 27, 2019 16:32:46 GMT -6
One of the best things you can do is be reasonable.
Schedule your practice well in advance and don’t deviate unless it’s necessary. (In KY we have the Heat Index). I have them the summer schedule in April and we told our kids two things: -Give one copy to your employer now. They can schedule around practice for you now, but if you wait until June/July you’re being unfair to them -Realize that attendance is tracked and everyone knows what you’ve done. Kids that are lifting and practicing are getting better. If you’re not here, for any reason, someone on the team is working to get your spot and your opponents are working to beat you.
I don’t stress anymore over who we have. Our roster is smaller than I want (40 kids), but our kids meet the expectations of the team. You get enough buy in and the kids will positively influence their teammates to come to practice.
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Post by PSS on Jul 27, 2019 21:07:58 GMT -6
Like most rural areas the majority of our kids work in the Summer. We can't have full blown workouts during this time. We do get 6 hours of skill work a week.
The most important aspect of the program that we stress is weights. We have weight workouts 2x a week, Monday and Wednesday. Tuesday is agility work and Thursday is conditioning day.
We start at 8 a.m. We have a large group at that time. The majority of those that work in retail stores will work later shifts so as not to miss workouts. However we have several more that work on farms and ranches. We accommodate these kids by having 8 p.m. makeup weight workouts. We don't worry about agility and conditioning with these kids. They've been working out in 100+ degree temps all Summer. They will be ready when it's time to start Fall workouts.
None of our kids work during football season. If they do they will work on weekends.
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