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Post by stud17 on May 2, 2007 22:00:14 GMT -6
What do you guys think of this? - 5-WR Empty Set as base set
- No-huddle, basically call play on line, check with me offense
- Shift to stack on 2-WR side and 3-WR side
- Shift to bunch on 2-WR side and 3-WR side
- Shift two WRs into backfield
- Motion different WRs to backfield
- Motion from 3-WR side to 2-WR side
- Motion from 3x2 set to 4x1 set
- Run screens (bubble, rocket, etc.) to death
- Run fly sweep with WR in motion
- Run option with one or more WRs
- Run QB running plays
- Run other running plays with WR in motion
I don't know about you, but this sounds deadly. Its kinda like Meyer's offense at Florida but more wide open with less RBs in backfield. Its basically spread 'em out, see how they react to motions and shifts, and call play based on their alignment. |
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Post by jhanawa on May 2, 2007 22:24:40 GMT -6
First, If I were you, I'd sit down and ask yourself some questions.
Do you know it inside and out? Are you able to teach it? Do your kids matchup to it talent wise? Are you able to run both to and away from motion, are you able to attack different area's of the field? A gap, B gap, C gap, wide, curl, hook, flat, deep thirds? Are you able to react and attack based on what a defense shows? These are the things that need to be answered in any offense you run.
IMO, it doesn't matter what you do, you have to have BALANCE and tie things together in whatever you do. BALANCE doesn't mean 50/50 run pass, it means your able to keep the defense off BALANCE through balanced play calling. So if the answers are positive and you can keep people guessing, than go for it. Personally, I prefer 1 or zero back spread stuff for some of the reasons you mentioned, but IMO you have to know the ins/outs of it to make it work effectively, don't go to something because it looks sexy, have a purpose.
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Post by Yash on May 2, 2007 22:44:47 GMT -6
MAke sure you got 5 guys that can legitly catch the ball, not just bodies that they have to cover. If a stud FB is sitting out cuz you want 5 wide but lil jonny is just a dummy out there, its not worth getting rid of a great RB. Make sure your talent matches up to the X's and O's on the paper.
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Post by tvt50 on May 2, 2007 23:42:49 GMT -6
Make sure you got more than one QB and you better be ready to throw hot.
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Post by jamesmthomson on May 3, 2007 0:10:50 GMT -6
To piggyback on what some of the other coaches have said, the biggest thing for any offensive system is to have answers. This is just my opinion, but you had better be able to have be able to fill in the if they do __________ we will do __________ and hopefully with more than one response. With what you are talking about, a few questions I would make sure that I answer are:
1. What will I do if a team has better athletes and is pressing me and bringing heat?
2. I will have to spend a lot of time coaching up my QB--how will I keep him healthy/minimize the hits he takes?
3. How will I keep my terminology simple and teachable?
4. How much offense do I really need, not just how much do I want?
5. How will I exploit mismatches at each defensive position?
Anyway, have fun.
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Post by tog on May 3, 2007 6:00:00 GMT -6
the issue I see here is carryover for the OL
with empty as a base, the run game blocking schemes will need a lot of adjustment whenever you bring someone else in to
1. run with the ball
2. become a dive or pitch
3. go block someone
look at how you get carryover with the ol first
then add the window dressing of all the wr's and backs motioning around
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Post by airraider on May 3, 2007 6:17:42 GMT -6
Sounds like our offense to a T. Only difference is we will run a RB too. But when we go empty the RB is the #3 on the 3 side. But we run drop option, speed option, Qb Runs off the Jet, Bubble, Jet Sweep, Vertical and quick passing game, motion receivers into the backfield from empty or 1 back to get 1 back or 2 back. We dont do the stacking or the no huddle yet, but it can always evolve by the end of the summer.
We keep the schemes very simple for the Oline and just ask them to be great at the little bit that they do. A lot of our blocking just requires the backside to zone and get down field. So we usually only have 2 or 3 key blocks to make things roll.
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Post by spreadattack on May 3, 2007 7:42:08 GMT -6
This looks like you've thought it out, but I will note that I don't like "building" systems from a single formation (with an exception for certain long established systems, and the Wild Bunch being a notable exclusion).
Now, there are guys who do the 5-wide base thing effectively, but what do you gain from being a 4-wide 1-back base? I think you gain quite a bit in faking, misdirection, and blocking with an extra back in there (not to mention screens) and you can still motion that RB out. On the other hand, how much do you gain from receiver #5? Let me rephrase, how much do you gain from WR #5 over doing it for just a few plays?
Otherwise, sure, from a formation standpoint you have a lot of good sounding "things." But again, I'm not sure what the advantage is from starting out with formations. I always prefer to think of what I'm trying to do to the defense (jet, option, quick pass, play action, etc) and then think what formation will put me in best position to do it. Or some combination of formation/playcall. Formation first for me only works if I have a specific system, or some kind of check with me (bubble, QB trap, quick pass, etc).
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Post by coachveer on May 3, 2007 8:17:41 GMT -6
This is my standard answer to these style of questions-
Can you defend with both Personnel and Scheme cover 0/ bring the house? If they lock you up man to man and bring one more then you can block.
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Post by gunandrun on May 3, 2007 8:19:04 GMT -6
First of all 5 wide is our thing. I learned a version back in 90-91 and have no. I tried running stuff I knew to lesser extent. This lead to difficulty in teaching and more importantly adjusting. Any offense should be mastered by the coaching staff. Coaches like Leach at Texas Tech and Johnson at Navy not only know the system they use - they know adjustments, how to teach it, as well as keeping it simple. Once you decide on x' and o's the real work begins. Our goal is to teach it so well that the athletes adjust on their own on the field. I mean, how many times can your guy in the box get you the info quick enough so you can effectively make the change on the field?
I read all I can on five wide empty set etc. Our staff sat down yesterday to create our LIST/GRID of plays and coverage adjustments. All I can say is that selecting the plays is easy. Teaching the skills and adjustments to be made in an organized manner is something else. So if they adjust to motion and are you sure they are not stemming to false key you. What is your answer? How are your kids going to know it? Do they have the skills to carry it out?
Running our time here- must go to a class.----- Remember KISS, look to develop SAMENESS, Catch the Rock, Coach up your assistants so they can coach the kids.
Almost forgot- TOG is all over it. Keep it simple for the guys up front. Empty does reduce the loos you will see. However, with every adjustment you make in formation and motion a good DC will have the defense will make or fake an adjustment- and now the games begin.
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Post by airraider on May 3, 2007 10:56:32 GMT -6
This is my standard answer to these style of questions- Can you defend with both Personnel and Scheme cover 0/ bring the house? If they lock you up man to man and bring one more then you can block. They can always bring 1 more than you can block no matter what formation you are in. Only thing is, how do you want to wager? If they go cov 0 against a 3 back/2 rec offense then they will have to have 2 guys cover the receivers and 3 aware of the backs. That leaves 6 to come. If they keep the backs all in then now you have 9 coming and 2 covering. So now you have 8 blocking 9 and 2 covering. So now you have more people that have to be able to block good and more people for the QB to wonder about hitting him. And you only have to have 2 good man coverage guys. Now you go 5 wide and you have 6 coming and 5 blocking. So now you only have to have 5 pass blocking, which obviously in the empty offense is something they do every day. And the defense now has to have 5 good man coverage guys. So think about it. All things equal, are you more likely to find on your team.. 5 guys who can pass block while practicing it every week, or 5 guys who can lock down in man coverage while practicing it only when playing a 5 wide offense? |
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Post by gunandrun on May 3, 2007 14:48:54 GMT -6
airraider we think alike. I pick the five most cerebral lineman with good feet and tell them they will pass block 95% of the time and their job is to get in the way. Practice picking up the 6th they can bring. Most will only bring 5. We are 7 - 8 yards back so things are a little different for us. I bet on the fact that we can do 5 wide better than they can defend it in one week.
Best of luck
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Post by airman on May 3, 2007 18:18:24 GMT -6
What do you guys think of this? - 5-WR Empty Set as base set
- No-huddle, basically call play on line, check with me offense
- Shift to stack on 2-WR side and 3-WR side
- Shift to bunch on 2-WR side and 3-WR side
- Shift two WRs into backfield
- Motion different WRs to backfield
- Motion from 3-WR side to 2-WR side
- Motion from 3x2 set to 4x1 set
- Run screens (bubble, rocket, etc.) to death
- Run fly sweep with WR in motion
- Run option with one or more WRs
- Run QB running plays
- Run other running plays with WR in motion
I don't know about you, but this sounds deadly. Its kinda like Meyer's offense at Florida but more wide open with less RBs in backfield. Its basically spread 'em out, see how they react to motions and shifts, and call play based on their alignment. been playing and coaching in a system like you are takling about since 1983. |
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Post by coachveer on May 3, 2007 18:35:04 GMT -6
This is my standard answer to these style of questions- Can you defend with both Personnel and Scheme cover 0/ bring the house? If they lock you up man to man and bring one more then you can block. They can always bring 1 more than you can block no matter what formation you are in. Only thing is, how do you want to wager? If they go cov 0 against a 3 back/2 rec offense then they will have to have 2 guys cover the receivers and 3 aware of the backs. That leaves 6 to come. If they keep the backs all in then now you have 9 coming and 2 covering. So now you have 8 blocking 9 and 2 covering. So now you have more people that have to be able to block good and more people for the QB to wonder about hitting him. And you only have to have 2 good man coverage guys. Now you go 5 wide and you have 6 coming and 5 blocking. So now you only have to have 5 pass blocking, which obviously in the empty offense is something they do every day. And the defense now has to have 5 good man coverage guys. So think about it. All things equal, are you more likely to find on your team.. 5 guys who can pass block while practicing it every week, or 5 guys who can lock down in man coverage while practicing it only when playing a 5 wide offense? Hey Coach, I agree with everything you said. I was just trying to point out the fact that I hear more questions about run game and combo routes then different ways to attack Cover O. You gotta have answers for that one. Make sure you have a plan. As you already know if you cant handle it..then you are going to see it every Friday night. |
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Post by 1whoknows on May 3, 2007 20:00:25 GMT -6
Be ready to handle the ZONE DOGS.
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Post by airman on May 3, 2007 20:25:57 GMT -6
i think the big thing is to put the olineman in a 2pt pass pro to start with. this way they can see what is going on. they can see blitzing.
I am not sure why people want ot zone dog the noback attack. sort seems futile when you have billy bob olineman trying to run down a wr.
if anything defenses are going to drop more into cover rush 3, drop 8 make the qb beat us. 8 on 5 in passing game or qb running theball. the middle screen does do well vs 3 rush and 8 droping however. lineman get like a big old v plow on the front of a oshkosh or fwd plowtruck.
i am not big on motion because of it can mess with a read. I want to see where the d is lining up and then go from there.
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Post by Tampa on May 12, 2007 7:19:07 GMT -6
Gunandrun & Airman,
As we are now facing an empty set, a few questions for you guys:
1. What is the most common coverage you see?
2. Do you change formation for goal line?
3. Is your pass-pro BOB only or do you include any slide protection?
4. Do you attack the perimeter with sprint outs (scares me the most).
This is what we're putting in now (constructive criticism encouraged):
Front:
Widen the 5 tech ends, inside DL play 2 techs, Mike at 00 tech. & threatens blitz with stems.
Coverages:
Rush 4: Quarters with Sam & Will Flat players. Mike shadow QB
Rush 5: Cover 3 with Sam and WS Corner Flat player, Mike shadow QB, weakside End to B gap, Willy Blitz off the edge.
Rush 6; Combo. Strongside Corner flat player, Strong & Free Safety pay 1/2's behind him. Backside Corner and Will man up on 2 rec side. Sam and Mike blitz Strong side (overload).
Anyway, still thinking of ways to soundly defend it. The thought of an athletic QB who threatens the perimeter or speed option with the slots will keep ya awake at night. Then it becomes sandlot and you have to have the athletes to defend that type of game.
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Post by fbdoc on May 12, 2007 7:43:44 GMT -6
To answer your original question ("What do you guys think of this?") I think it's intriguing, but MY question would be do YOU know it, and more importantly, do you have the PLAYERS to run it? Obviously you need the skill people to make it go as well as the OL to give you time to do what you want to do. The Double Wing, Pro I, and the Wishbone are also intriguing, but for me, I don't know them so they're probably not a good fit for my team.
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Post by brophy on May 12, 2007 8:10:12 GMT -6
sounds good....sounds like the foundation of a LOT of 5 wide Mumme-style approaches.
everything sounds good...tons of benefits, now you have to weigh the reality of your situation
two questions for you....
HOW CAN YOU SCREW THIS UP?
(do you have realistic answers for bad scenarios)
IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY FLEXIBLE?
are you (personally) prepared to stay 5 wide in short-yardage / goal line / 4 min?
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Post by airitout616 on May 13, 2007 2:36:53 GMT -6
I LOVE this kind of attack !! HOWEVER you MUST have speedy WR that can catch, run and stretch the field. Have a QB that can run and chuck it. AND the most important thing OLman that can pass pro for 4-5 sec one on one with a DLman. It is ALOT harder to "hide" players in this kind of set. Your not only putting your WR in space to make plays your putting your OLman in ALOT of one on one. If the other teams you face have good pass rushing lineman and you dont have 5 or 6 OLman that can pass pro the whole game for 50-60 snaps your going to be in a world of hurt. But again I love this offense im working on some simular things.
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Post by wiits56 on May 13, 2007 6:05:42 GMT -6
I like what jhanawa had to say and agree with many of his points. It sounds good on paper and is alot like what Urban Meyer runs at Florida. However listening to Coach Meyer at the Madison, WI clinic this past winter, he can get away with it because of the speed and athletes he can recruit to run this offense.
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Post by ccscoach on May 13, 2007 7:05:31 GMT -6
airitout6
Is correct about the O-linemen having to be good at pass pro, but the thing is you will only have to teach one pass-pro (BOB), you will only have to teach about 2 run schemes IZ/OZ and Trap... so what is your O-line coach going to do, simple teach fundamentals EVERYDAY...... OTHER HUGE THING is when in doubt screen......screens will limit there ability to bring 6, you can catch them in a blitz and score a TD......If you have athletes in your high school that don't play football this will help in recruiting because of the basketball on grass mentality........I like what you have layed out just remember fundamentals are what wins football games
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2007 7:17:02 GMT -6
Not trying to counter anything you propose doing, but when I gameplan this type of offense, here's what my defense will consist of. This is stuff that we work on all summer and fall. Keep in mind I was an GA for a college program that did this so I learned about it years ago and have a pretty solid foundation of what I want to do and how I have to prep for it. Our alignments and landmarks may change, but our rules never will, even if we end up in a 30 instead of our 40. These are how we'd address each of your items:
*5-WR Empty Set as base set
We'll either play our Base 4-3 or can make a Nickel Call to get our DE (usually the 4th Best LB and big kid we had as a JV player) as a standup inside LB so we can still run our Zone Dogs from the 30 with him as the plugger so we can keep our disguise longer. We'll now run 4,5, or 6 man pressure from this. You'll see us zone dog from the wide side, the 3 side, the 2 side. We'll be in 3 under 3 deep, cover 2, cover 0, or a roll to the passing strength or roll away.
No-huddle, basically call play on line, check with me offense
May give us some fits if you get it off quickly, but if it's a "read and call" no-huddle then we're going to stem around and try to give you the wrong look. We'll double call a lot if we have time. If we have to get something in quick, it will be a 5-man pressure.
Shift to stack on 2-WR side and 3-WR side
If you're stud receiver is #2 off the 2 side then that is the most difficult part of this for us because of my 6-man pressure game is tough from that. Anywhere else I can handle it better. If he's #1 then we're happiest.
Shift to bunch on 2-WR side and 3-WR side
I don't like bunch, but we feel that there are certain things we get from bunch so we kind of practice those things. We will give you the flat in this look, even if we're in cover 2.
Shift two WRs into backfield
We like this. We'll go into our 2-back rules here.
Motion different WRs to backfield
Doesn't phase us much, sometimes if you have a particular stud we'll have a double call rule if he's going to the backfield a lot.
Motion from 3-WR side to 2-WR side
We'll often change our coverage here so that you can't use the motion to determine our coverage. Again, we like to be able to blitz from passing strength so if you change passing strengths on us then we'll change the D with motion. We won't often go from a blitz to a no blitz, but if your QB slows the play down to audible, our guys yell out "Re-Load!" and we go to our Base 2.
Motion from 3x2 set to 4x1 set
While it's awkward at times, we feel that unless the ball is on a hash and you have 4 to the wide side, 4 on a side will be cramped so we think our zone drops are fine.
Run screens (bubble, rocket, etc.) to death
We love to play against bubble, so work the bubble slant game, the bubble go, etc. If you've got your speedy guy to the 3 side in the #1 hole and run bubble-go with him sometimes you might catch us--but that's in the situations we're bringing 6, so you have to see it and get rid of it quick.
Run fly sweep with WR in motion
Are you going to be under the hood for this? If you don't do much under the hood, then we'll definitely alert to this because we get scared of fly, though against a spread offense it doesn't worry us as much because we've got guys wide based on your formation.
Run option with one or more WRs
We do practice option rules every week whether we play option teams or not, so it'll matter more how you get to your option look. If you can do it on the fly then we'll struggle a bit.
Run QB running plays
What is hard on us here is if we're running a zone dog of one side and you can run a QB Iso away from it. If you're 2x2 in the middle of the field we're going to set up our blitz away from your offset back (assuming you're in gun) so if you run to the offset back sometimes you'll catch us in a bad movement.
I know a lot of teams that go 5-wide don't know what they're going to get from a defense and have to adjust on the fly. We run this against 5 wide teams whenever we see them, so they don't ever get surprised with what they see. But that's good for us because our philosophy is built in. It helped to have GA'd on a team that ran this. Our biggest rules are always going to be the following:
1) Don't freak out to shifts, motions, etc.
2) Double call as much as we can
3) Know when we're going to get screened
4) Disguise Disguise Disguise
5) Find their favorite receiver, formation, and route combo and rep it like crazy.
6) Put amazing pressure on their OL with different looks, etc.
7) Make their QB try to figure out where blitz comes from etc. Make him look at us.
Good luck.It's a fun offense to watch.
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Post by airraider on May 13, 2007 9:52:50 GMT -6
Not trying to counter anything you propose doing, but when I gameplan this type of offense, here's what my defense will consist of. This is stuff that we work on all summer and fall. Keep in mind I was an GA for a college program that did this so I learned about it years ago and have a pretty solid foundation of what I want to do and how I have to prep for it. Our alignments and landmarks may change, but our rules never will, even if we end up in a 30 instead of our 40. These are how we'd address each of your items: *5-WR Empty Set as base set We'll either play our Base 4-3 or can make a Nickel Call to get our DE (usually the 4th Best LB and big kid we had as a JV player) as a standup inside LB so we can still run our Zone Dogs from the 30 with him as the plugger so we can keep our disguise longer. We'll now run 4,5, or 6 man pressure from this. You'll see us zone dog from the wide side, the 3 side, the 2 side. We'll be in 3 under 3 deep, cover 2, cover 0, or a roll to the passing strength or roll away. No-huddle, basically call play on line, check with me offense May give us some fits if you get it off quickly, but if it's a "read and call" no-huddle then we're going to stem around and try to give you the wrong look. We'll double call a lot if we have time. If we have to get something in quick, it will be a 5-man pressure. Shift to stack on 2-WR side and 3-WR side If you're stud receiver is #2 off the 2 side then that is the most difficult part of this for us because of my 6-man pressure game is tough from that. Anywhere else I can handle it better. If he's #1 then we're happiest. Shift to bunch on 2-WR side and 3-WR side I don't like bunch, but we feel that there are certain things we get from bunch so we kind of practice those things. We will give you the flat in this look, even if we're in cover 2. Shift two WRs into backfield We like this. We'll go into our 2-back rules here. Motion different WRs to backfield Doesn't phase us much, sometimes if you have a particular stud we'll have a double call rule if he's going to the backfield a lot. Motion from 3-WR side to 2-WR side We'll often change our coverage here so that you can't use the motion to determine our coverage. Again, we like to be able to blitz from passing strength so if you change passing strengths on us then we'll change the D with motion. We won't often go from a blitz to a no blitz, but if your QB slows the play down to audible, our guys yell out "Re-Load!" and we go to our Base 2. Motion from 3x2 set to 4x1 set While it's awkward at times, we feel that unless the ball is on a hash and you have 4 to the wide side, 4 on a side will be cramped so we think our zone drops are fine. Run screens (bubble, rocket, etc.) to death We love to play against bubble, so work the bubble slant game, the bubble go, etc. If you've got your speedy guy to the 3 side in the #1 hole and run bubble-go with him sometimes you might catch us--but that's in the situations we're bringing 6, so you have to see it and get rid of it quick. Run fly sweep with WR in motion Are you going to be under the hood for this? If you don't do much under the hood, then we'll definitely alert to this because we get scared of fly, though against a spread offense it doesn't worry us as much because we've got guys wide based on your formation. Run option with one or more WRs We do practice option rules every week whether we play option teams or not, so it'll matter more how you get to your option look. If you can do it on the fly then we'll struggle a bit. Run QB running plays What is hard on us here is if we're running a zone dog of one side and you can run a QB Iso away from it. If you're 2x2 in the middle of the field we're going to set up our blitz away from your offset back (assuming you're in gun) so if you run to the offset back sometimes you'll catch us in a bad movement. I know a lot of teams that go 5-wide don't know what they're going to get from a defense and have to adjust on the fly. We run this against 5 wide teams whenever we see them, so they don't ever get surprised with what they see. But that's good for us because our philosophy is built in. It helped to have GA'd on a team that ran this. Our biggest rules are always going to be the following: 1) Don't freak out to shifts, motions, etc. 2) Double call as much as we can 3) Know when we're going to get screened 4) Disguise Disguise Disguise 5) Find their favorite receiver, formation, and route combo and rep it like crazy. 6) Put amazing pressure on their OL with different looks, etc. 7) Make their QB try to figure out where blitz comes from etc. Make him look at us. Good luck.It's a fun offense to watch. Teams like your's do scare me the most. We are going to do what we do no matter what, but I still like to know what and when. Most teams we play are very basic. They will run what they run no matter what the offense is. I like teams like that. I like them to do what I expect. The only problem with having too much in the defensive tool box is that defense is a reaction game. On offense you can afford to do a lot of things because that is what you do, you dont have to react to anything.. well the QB does.. but most others dont.. If my X is supposed to run a dig.. his butt will run a dig no matter what.. he might slow down in an opening.. but thats about it.. On defense you have to read and react every play.. So.. most teams who try to do too much in terms of looks will end up confusing themselves more than the offense.. but its obvious that you have committed to learning what you do and I bet it works good for you.. I am a firm believer in taking what they give you and take until they dont give it no more. So when you said you will give us the flats in bunch, I might throw to the flats 10 times in a row if you give it to us 10 times in a row. I think that is where most spread teams get in trouble. They think that spread means you have to force the ball down field. I would much rather get the ball in the hands of one of my athletes on a 3 or 4 yard reception and then force the defense to tackle him. I mean that is the goal in most run plays right?? Average 3-4 yards per play? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2007 13:29:07 GMT -6
I agree, airraider, that's why we've worked to make sure our rules are consistent, we run the same blitzes with the same personnel, same coverage rules, etc.
For example, we can call our OZZY blitz from passing strength, wide side, boundary side, away from strength, to the TE, from a certain WR, etc. and the personnel never changes. For them it doesn't matter. The coverage varies based on where #2 or #3 are, but the rule doesn't change.
We have a very solid rule for everything and the philosophy developed is that if a 5-wide is going to beat us in 5-wide then it's going to be because of 1 of 4 things:
1) Jimmies and Joes
2) They have the QB who can make the plays that 90% of HS QBs don't make
3) They are willing to throw hitches, crosses, etc. the game and make your passing game get you down the field in 12 plays rather than 6 plays.
4) Broken plays by the other team, no takeaways by us
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Post by airraider on Aug 1, 2008 21:06:03 GMT -6
3) They are willing to throw hitches, crosses, etc. the game and make your passing game get you down the field in 12 plays rather than 6 plays. That is a very profound statement.. and I am sorry for not replying to this sooner.. I really feel this may be the biggest flaw of unsuccessful spread teams.. they feel that by association.. they must try to score as quick as possible.. Take a page out fo the West Coast book.. and control the clock with the pass.. too many teams shy away from anything under 10 yards.. I know our rules.. and Brophy's for that matter.. we dont cover anything under 5 yards.. (sorry if I got that wrong Brophalina).. so throw the quick flat routes.. the bubble routes.. the stop routes.. whatever.. just get the ball in your athlete's hands.. |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Aug 1, 2008 23:37:07 GMT -6
AirRaider,
One thing that has helped me over the years defend against Shotgun Spread teams is that they want to prove how smart they are and pass even though they should be running.
If they would run the ball it would be much harder to defend them. Good Spread teams will run the ball, they don't have to throw it to feel like they belong in the club.
The problem for them is, I don't know any Shotgun Spread teams that will do that. Even when I would run a 4-1-6, they still were out there throwing the ball. It's hard to throw against a 4-1-6.
OJW
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Post by CoachCP on Aug 1, 2008 23:47:12 GMT -6
Run the football. In any way possible. Keep the defense honest. Use motion to set up the defense while disguising your offense.
Throw lots ... and I mean lots... of screens and draws.
Be able to run the ball at the goal line.
And in the colder months... its a lot harder to catch a football then.
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Post by raiderpirates on Aug 3, 2008 7:37:24 GMT -6
If you plan on going 5 wide every down you better have a lot of screens going.
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Post by airraider on Aug 3, 2008 9:32:55 GMT -6
If you plan on going 5 wide every down you better have a lot of screens going. Why? Otto Zeman is 5 wide exclusively and he only runs the bubble.. People assume that since you are 5 wide that you will have problems protecting the QB.. thats not always true.. If you keep 1 back in.. you can block 6 people.. and still have 4 out in pass routes.. leaving them 5 to cover those 4.. If we are empty we can block 5.. and still have 5 out in pass routes.. leaving them 6 to cover our 5.. Either way.. bringing just as many as they can block leaves you with a 1 man advantage in the secondary.. Bringing 1 more than they can block leaves you with 1/1 odds.. Bringing 2 more than they can block leaves you at a -1 disadvantage.. |
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