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Post by somecoach on Apr 28, 2019 19:48:26 GMT -6
A non highschool football related post:
I was rewatching Superbowl 52 and it hit me.
The guy who is notorious for breaking, bending, ... using loopholes within the rules to give his team an advantage is yet to run an RPO to my knowledge.
Does anyone have any idea/insider info/opinion why Belichick of all coaches is yet to run RPO's? (even the basic run access throw stuff?)
My guess is that Brady is so good at the check-with-me/ audibles that there is no need for them.
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Post by Victor on Apr 28, 2019 19:51:00 GMT -6
Maybe because the system doesnt need it?
I mean, Brady get rid of the ball real quick and they use a lot the RBs as pass threats.
The way he is he might think that RPOs are kind of BS lol
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Post by vanden48 on Apr 29, 2019 6:22:42 GMT -6
They do use them, he is just a master of hiding it. And I think almost all of the passes are PRO(Pass-Run-option). If Brady doesn't see the read he likes, he has the option to run it.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 29, 2019 7:59:41 GMT -6
RPOs are not new... Brady has a run or pass option on every play. He just makes the read pre snap instead of post snap. I had option to throw bubble/smoke/slant any time it was there and that was 20 years ago
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 29, 2019 8:44:57 GMT -6
Why do something you don't need to do?
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Post by Victor on Apr 29, 2019 8:51:51 GMT -6
RPOs are not new... Brady has a run or pass option on every play. He just makes the read pre snap instead of post snap. I had option to throw bubble/smoke/slant any time it was there and that was 20 years ago Exactly, whenever a receiver is really wide open pre snap and it is not 3rd+8 or scoring situation, the receivers and QB know to convert it for a look pass. |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 29, 2019 8:57:55 GMT -6
RPOs are not new... Brady has a run or pass option on every play. He just makes the read pre snap instead of post snap. I had option to throw bubble/smoke/slant any time it was there and that was 20 years ago Yup... I can't name a single offense I've coached in where we didn't have a pre-snap pass built into many play calls. Our OC knows "the spread" well and talked about installing an RPO package this season. But, he opted to go with a "peek" tag for our run plays. The WRs on the backside of the running play always ran a slant/bubble concept and the QB had the option of making a pre snap decision to throw it when seeing certain coverages. |
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Post by Defcord on Apr 29, 2019 11:41:08 GMT -6
RPOs are not new... Brady has a run or pass option on every play. He just makes the read pre snap instead of post snap. I had option to throw bubble/smoke/slant any time it was there and that was 20 years ago Yup... I can't name a single offense I've coached in where we didn't have a pre-snap pass built into many play calls. Our OC knows "the spread" well and talked about installing an RPO package this season. But, he opted to go with a "peek" tag for our run plays. The WRs on the backside of the running play always ran a slant/bubble concept and the QB had the option of making a pre snap decision to throw it when seeing certain coverages. When I was in college we used the uncovered concept. There was no signal, no call, no anything. If an inside receiver's nearest defender was 8+ yards away then our QB turned and threw a fast screen too him unless it was 3rd and 8+ or 4th down. We threw it against one school 12 straight times once because they didn't adjust their defense. That was the day that I realized some coaches were dummies. It was D3 but how do you not make any adjustment for 12 straight plays. I hate RPOs. I wouldn't mind them if they were enforced properly and consistently. But as most have already said EVERYONE is using them. I think they allow an offense to put a whole defense in conflict and putting defensive players in conflict is fuel to the offensive fire. |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 29, 2019 12:31:48 GMT -6
Yup... I can't name a single offense I've coached in where we didn't have a pre-snap pass built into many play calls. Our OC knows "the spread" well and talked about installing an RPO package this season. But, he opted to go with a "peek" tag for our run plays. The WRs on the backside of the running play always ran a slant/bubble concept and the QB had the option of making a pre snap decision to throw it when seeing certain coverages. When I was in college we used the uncovered concept. There was no signal, no call, no anything. If an inside receiver's nearest defender was 8+ yards away then our QB turned and threw a fast screen too him unless it was 3rd and 8+ or 4th down. We threw it against one school 12 straight times once because they didn't adjust their defense. That was the day that I realized some coaches were dummies. It was D3 but how do you not make any adjustment for 12 straight plays. I hate RPOs. I wouldn't mind them if they were enforced properly and consistently. But as most have already said EVERYONE is using them. I think they allow an offense to put a whole defense in conflict and putting defensive players in conflict is fuel to the offensive fire. I like the concept of RPOs; our Slice RPO was an axe murderer for us this season. But, that was the only RPO we put in as we could accomplish the same thing with a pre-snap read. We had a few of them this year and the bubble and quick screens were actually our least effective. Our best "RPO" was a double hitch; the QB would drill a three step hitch by the #1 WR if the CB was played more than off of him by more than 7 yards. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 8:08:44 GMT -6
A non highschool football related post: I was rewatching Superbowl 52 and it hit me. The guy who is notorious for breaking, bending, ... using loopholes within the rules to give his team an advantage is yet to run an RPO to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea/insider info/opinion why Belichick of all coaches is yet to run RPO's? (even the basic run access throw stuff?) My guess is that Brady is so good at the check-with-me/ audibles that there is no need for them. I'd say a big part of why they don't do post-snap RPOs is that he doesn't want to risk Brady taking a shot from an unblocked rusher, which happens a lot in RPO schemes, especially when you start pulling OL. It's not like they've needed them to win Superbowls or maintain their dominance. As others have said, they've done the "Now" pass pre-snap RPO and a couple of similar things for a long, long time as a part of the offense early in Brady's career when Charlie Weiss was their OC. It was part of the "decided schematic advantage" he bragged about when he took over at Notre Dame. |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 30, 2019 10:37:55 GMT -6
A non highschool football related post: I was rewatching Superbowl 52 and it hit me. The guy who is notorious for breaking, bending, ... using loopholes within the rules to give his team an advantage is yet to run an RPO to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea/insider info/opinion why Belichick of all coaches is yet to run RPO's? (even the basic run access throw stuff?) My guess is that Brady is so good at the check-with-me/ audibles that there is no need for them. I'd say a big part of why they don't do post-snap RPOs is that he doesn't want to risk Brady taking a shot from an unblocked rusher, which happens a lot in RPO schemes, especially when you start pulling OL. It's not like they've needed them to win Superbowls or maintain their dominance. As others have said, they've done the "Now" pass pre-snap RPO and a couple of similar things for a long, long time as a part of the offense early in Brady's career when Charlie Weiss was their OC. It was part of the "decided schematic advantage" he bragged about when he took over at Notre Dame. I would also go so far to say they don't want to risk keeping the ball out of a good WR's hands with an RPO. I imagine most coaches would prefer to have a pre-snap check that puts the ball in Edelman's hands, versus leaving it up to defensive reaction. It was another reason why we didn't use many RPOs this season; we had a big, fast, physical WR and we dialed up his number on a pre-snap check because we wanted him to have the ball for a reason. Our bubbles and quick screens to our slots were decent box reducers for us but our pre-snap checks to hit this kid (a SE) on a slant or a hitch were money. |
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Post by coachks on Apr 30, 2019 20:43:14 GMT -6
A non highschool football related post: I was rewatching Superbowl 52 and it hit me. The guy who is notorious for breaking, bending, ... using loopholes within the rules to give his team an advantage is yet to run an RPO to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea/insider info/opinion why Belichick of all coaches is yet to run RPO's? (even the basic run access throw stuff?) My guess is that Brady is so good at the check-with-me/ audibles that there is no need for them. I'd say a big part of why they don't do post-snap RPOs is that he doesn't want to risk Brady taking a shot from an unblocked rusher, which happens a lot in RPO schemes, especially when you start pulling OL. It's not like they've needed them to win Superbowls or maintain their dominance. As others have said, they've done the "Now" pass pre-snap RPO and a couple of similar things for a long, long time as a part of the offense early in Brady's career when Charlie Weiss was their OC. It was part of the "decided schematic advantage" he bragged about when he took over at Notre Dame. The part about the free shot on the QB is a huge part of it I think. That was always a big part of the "you can't run option in the NFL" (either zone read or triple) because your 20 million dollar QB is going to get have a 270pound freak of nature run through his chest. I know they don't run a ton of "true" RPO in the NFL (they usually lock the BS tackle in pass pro till... don't pull the guards as much), but our day 1 defense of the RPO is to have the OLB go straight at the QB. |
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Post by canesfan on May 1, 2019 20:50:36 GMT -6
They don’t need to run them. They have a legend at QB who checks them into the right play extremely accurately. Zero reason for them to adapt to it so far.
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