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Post by coachmyers on Aug 7, 2006 22:26:02 GMT -6
I know you're all sick of hearing me b*%$# about our line coach but today we met and were watching cut ups of Washinton State run zone and he said, completely straight faced, "my system is better." I just about sh*t myself.
Just thought I'd share.
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Post by tog on Aug 7, 2006 22:58:14 GMT -6
lol
this is eerily familiar
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Post by bulldog on Aug 7, 2006 23:23:15 GMT -6
How frustrating. Some people are just too ignorant to know they are stupid. Is it ego or stupidity? Can either be fixed? Your offense is doomed to be as good as your O Line coach and if he is unwilling to be honest and open-minded . . . .then improvement has ended. But, then again, he must be very comfortable being so self-righteous.
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Post by tothehouse on Aug 7, 2006 23:31:38 GMT -6
I am a better coach than Bulldog.
LOL
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Post by coachmyers on Aug 8, 2006 1:49:25 GMT -6
seems to be a clear case of ego. Several times he brought up his playing experience and coaching experience (which is extensive but not very impressive, if you know what I mean) on the line. Plain and simple, he doesn't like a 23 year old telling him how to block something.
While watching the tape, there were some plays where the assignment was not executed properly (guys coming off the combo late) and he says "well my scheme would have done this..." I don't think he even knows how to teach his scheme, I asked for rules and didn't really have any.
Expect more mini-rants as the season progresses, although I'll try to keep it to a minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2006 6:34:45 GMT -6
I hate to get cheap pleasure out of your predicament, but I do look forward to the updates.
Reminds me of a guy I sat in an interview with at my first DC job. He wanted to coach linebackers and told me he doesn't teach rip, swim, hands, etc. Said he's found that "giving ground" is better because it lets LBs see what's going on without having to handle a blocker. I said, "then why wouldn't you just line up your linebackers at 10 yards off and have them run downhill?" I thought it was a pretty witty response to his comments.
He replied, "well that's just stupid, no one lines up there backers 10 yards off the ball."
Exactamundo.
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Post by coachjd on Aug 8, 2006 7:08:53 GMT -6
I would start to prepair to coach the OL yourself. The guy is going to undermine your system and will hurt the team. The guy needs to go. The OL is the heartbeat to an offense and if he is going to coach them with a chip on his shoulder, the team is doomed.
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Post by brophy on Aug 8, 2006 7:12:49 GMT -6
ha ha ha lol....sorry...but I'm sure we've all had to deal with a schmuck like this. Legend in his own mind.
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Post by tog on Aug 8, 2006 7:15:59 GMT -6
hey myers, ask the guy if he knows howard mudd
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Aug 8, 2006 7:16:38 GMT -6
You know future problems will develop. It has to happen behind closed doors. The coaching staff must present a united front. I had an experience with an OL coach who brought up problems with the system, how we taught it, problems with other coaches, and discussed his O-linemen IN FRONT OF PLAYERS! After the first time, I informed him that these discussions are not practice discussions. He kept trying to do this to me & my coaches--he refused to listen. I informed the coaches to walk away when he started that crap. So, he started talking to the players. I personally think that he was on an ego trip and had all the answers. He even had the nerve to suggest a play action pass during a weekly staff meeting "because it always works on Madden." I almost fell off my chair. He had zero respect from the coaches, players, and parents. He would rather prove why he is right rather than making things work. Needless to say, he is not with us this year.
How does your guy handle the players? Do they have respect for him? Does he have good communication with them? Please make sure that he remembers that these ramblings are for a closed-door setting.
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Post by tog on Aug 8, 2006 7:24:43 GMT -6
if he did that, he wouldn't make it out of the next week You know future problems will develop. It has to happen behind closed doors. The coaching staff must present a united front. I had an experience with an OL coach who brought up problems with the system, how we taught it, problems with other coaches, and discussed his O-linemen IN FRONT OF PLAYERS! After the first time, I informed him that these discussions are not practice discussions. He kept trying to do this to me & my coaches--he refused to listen. I informed the coaches to walk away when he started that crap. So, he started talking to the players. I personally think that he was on an ego trip and had all the answers. He even had the nerve to suggest a play action pass during a weekly staff meeting "because it always works on Madden." I almost fell off my chair. He had zero respect from the coaches, players, and parents. He would rather prove why he is right rather than making things work. Needless to say, he is not with us this year. How does your guy handle the players? Do they have respect for him? Does he have good communication with them? Please make sure that he remembers that these ramblings are for a closed-door setting. |
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Post by coachmyers on Aug 8, 2006 12:02:24 GMT -6
After his comment I quipped "would you tell that to the WSU coaches?" Still straight faced "I'll call them up and tell them."
From what I've heard from a line coach who used to work for us but followed a head coach somewhere else, but still works in the building: the guy plays favorites and is inconsistant. I dont think the players really respect him and he seems insecure about his abilities. He asked me several times if I thought he was a good coach and I obliged him because I thought some ego stroke might loosen him up. I tried to make it not about him but he kept bringing it back to him. God this guy is a headache. I sympathize with other coaches who have had this problem.
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Post by brophy on Aug 8, 2006 12:13:14 GMT -6
if it were just X's and O's, we'd all be coaches.....  |
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Post by wildcat on Aug 8, 2006 12:24:23 GMT -6
Not trying to hijack this thread, but I'm in a similar situation...
I've been our OL/DL coach for the past 6 years. This year, a local guy who played with the Dallas Cowboys is going to volunteer to help out our Frosh-Soph.
Unlike the the guy that this thread is about, I'm THRILLED to get a guy with NFL experience on our staff. How many kids can say they got coached by an NFL player? He's also a great guy and will fit in really well with the rest of the staff.
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Post by bulldog on Aug 8, 2006 14:03:14 GMT -6
We have a coach who was on our staff, (still around but not aon staff) who was a 4 year starter at the D1 level, drafted and played 4 years in the NFL, then coached at Colorado and Cal (WR and QB's). He studies the game like a maniac and has encyclopedic knowledge. He seems to know everybody or at least one person on every staff. - And he is the most humble guy. He never stops trying to learn and listens to just about everybody. He is (was) constantly trying to improve his techniques/methods/schemes just a little bit.
A polar opposite of your OL coach, Coach Meyers. The reason that I mention this is that the more D1 college coaches that I have met, the more I have realized that they are readily willing to share with HS coaches. I make numerous calls to position coaches each year and I have yet to be denied. I heard Robb Akey (DC at Wash State) talk at a clinic this year and spent a few minutes with him after his session. He was a very nice guy and very open to share. So, here is an idea - Call the O Line coach at Wash State - George Yarno (509) 335-0320. Setup a time with him where he will agree to spend 10 minutes on the phone with you, your OL coach and your HC. Get a conf call together and all of you participate. Tell him you are considering running zone, that you have watched them on film and ask him about the benefits, techniques, etc. During the conf call, you might want to put your OL coach on the spot - say, "we are currently running . . .well I'll let our OLine coach explain it to you, since he is the master." See if he can articulate his rules and techniques. You might want to hurry though, because getting calls back during the season is a lot tougher. But if not Wash State, then try another school that runs your scheme of choice.
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Post by biggroff on Aug 8, 2006 21:55:07 GMT -6
Just a quick story to go along with this topic....
3 years ago I coached with a guy who had 30 years of experience and a decent coach but thought he was God's gift to offensive line blocking (Call him coach X). It was his way or the highway. In his mind, he invented football and every one who disagreed with him had to be wrong. During summer practice he argued with our 25 year old TE coach (call him coach Y) about blocking technique. and told Coach Y he was so very worng and full of SH**.
Now Coach X is a Wisconsin grad and idolized coach Alverez at Wisconsin. Coach X repetely quoted from coach Alverez and even told Coach Y that he would never see a good football team like Wisconsin coach the kind of crap technique that Coach Y was trying to teach.
After practice coach X (who had never met coach Y up until that day) then learned that Coach Y was the starting TE on the one of the Wisconsin Rose Bowl teams. Coach Y pulled out one of his practice tapes from Wisconsin that he planned to show our kids and what do you know....coach Y was teaching the EXACT technique that Alverez advocates and was personally teaching on the tape! I nearly fell over laughing when our famed 30 year O-Line coach saw this! What a special moment!
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Post by optionguy on Aug 9, 2006 12:21:51 GMT -6
Been there, and it is a bad situation. My line coach was a former head coach and he insisted on teaching the players in a manner that was totally inconsistent w/our system. What was so bad, was that during meetings, he always gave the impression that he wanted to learn our schemes and implement them, etc. But he did not do it. At first, I thought he was just struggling w/learning the schemes, but after a while, I saw he was saying one thing and doing another, i.e., he was just paying lip service to learning our scheme. After a few weeks, I cut him loose and reorganized the staff because. I wish I had done that much earlier.
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Post by kdcoach on Aug 9, 2006 14:28:47 GMT -6
Funny often times in every profession you will hear someone say ......"I have 20 years of experience".....upon further investigation you find they have 1 year of experience 20 times over. They haven't learned anything since they first learned it.....everything changes, evolves and grows. I would seriously lobby for this clown to hit the road!!!
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Post by coachdl on Aug 9, 2006 19:52:30 GMT -6
the quote is flat-out funny. i laughed for minutes.
that is how ol coaches are. they have a little swagger to them. regardless of what they see or hear, they still believe in their schiemes and how it will work for their kids. good or bad. quote was still funny!!!!
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Post by coachjd on Aug 9, 2006 20:45:11 GMT -6
dl,
you're right us OL coaches usually have enough A S S to get a good swagger going.
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Post by cc on Aug 9, 2006 22:11:09 GMT -6
Could he be right?
Could he schemes be the best for the kids?
By this I mean you really cant run WSU's schemes as you don't have university kids.
But no of course I dont really mean that. You will do some things like they do, just not everything they do...
Just saying maybe that's what he meant. He better for his kids...
But really he is probably just too lazy to learn anything else than what he knows.
I hate coaches like that!!!
Good luck man...
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Post by coachmyers on Aug 10, 2006 0:43:31 GMT -6
our rules are basically POBA, which the tape is a great example of. I don't know the WSU rules but ours are certainly predictive of what will happen on every play on that tape.
I love that quote kdcoach, 1 year of experience 20 times over. I hope I never stop learning about football, and if I do I hope someone finally calls me out on it. I was talking to my dad about it and he recently retired from his law firm to be a high school history teacher and football coach but before doing so he saw a career counselor. After doing some diagnostic testing on him the counselor told him he'd be a great teacher but might have one problem. She told him that a number of the people in the field are not open to new ideas or different techniques (teaching wise) which could potentially frustrate him. I suppose this is just one of those people. I might have to deal with it myself when I become a teacher so I guess this is a good start.
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