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Post by bulldogoption on Aug 14, 2006 21:38:19 GMT -6
I am interested in knowing different coaches tricks of the trade when facing one particular athlete on defense that excels. For example when facing a superior D End, some folks would say to option him, to neutralize his presence. How would you deal with a DT, DE, ILB, OLB, CB, S?
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Post by tedseay on Aug 15, 2006 4:01:59 GMT -6
Coach: A general answer: The best approach for inferior talent is the deception which any player can learn but which superior talent neglects.
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Post by tog on Aug 15, 2006 6:28:56 GMT -6
either that, or cut the crap out of them
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Post by dacoachmo on Aug 15, 2006 6:50:12 GMT -6
GO AWAY and attack the weaker side!!
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Post by djwesp on Aug 15, 2006 16:14:56 GMT -6
GO AWAY and attack the weaker side!! See, that's the exact opposite of what we like to against good d-lineman. We take the ball straight to him. Your offense is strongest at its point of attack (unless the play is naked)... so why let him attack it at it's weakest point. |
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Post by wildcat on Aug 15, 2006 16:27:49 GMT -6
See, that's the exact opposite of what we like to against good d-lineman. We take the ball straight to him. Your offense is strongest at its point of attack (unless the play is naked)... so why let him attack it at it's weakest point. I tend to agree with this...what often gives a great defensive athlete an edge is the ability to operate in space and run down plays from behind. I really think that is how you neutralize a great athlete on the DL...you run the ball right at him at take away his ability to be an athlete. You make him rely on technique (which most great high school athletes DON'T do) and take away his ability to use his speed and lateral quickness. |
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Post by khalfie on Aug 15, 2006 18:40:52 GMT -6
My coaching mentor, who's forgotten more football than I'll ever know, used to say the exact same thing... "take the play to talent..."
But I still think its utter madness...
A stud DT, is a stud DT, because he not only "CONTROLS HIS GAP", but also, "squeezes" the gap to his interior... you can't run against that!... You double team him, and you've given up 2 for his 1... run away... and if he catches it from behind... then fire your HB!
I don't know about you guys... but we study film, create scouting reports, to find weaknesses to exploit... a tackle that takes plays off... has a poor stance... doesn't do his job... that's where we want to attack... NOT TO THE STUD ON THE LINE!
Same with a DB... do you guys want to throw at the stud DB? LOL!
How about a stud LB... you want to run to his side?
I've heard some great coaches make that statement... attack the strengths... but I just don't believe it!
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Post by djwesp on Aug 15, 2006 18:58:33 GMT -6
My coaching mentor, who's forgotten more football than I'll ever know, used to say the exact same thing... "take the play to talent..." But I still think its utter madness... A stud DT, is a stud DT, because he not only "CONTROLS HIS GAP", but also, "squeezes" the gap to his interior... you can't run against that!... You double team him, and you've given up 2 for his 1... run away... and if he catches it from behind... then fire your HB! I don't know about you guys... but we study film, create scouting reports, to find weaknesses to exploit... a tackle that takes plays off... has a poor stance... doesn't do his job... that's where we want to attack... NOT TO THE STUD ON THE LINE! Same with a DB... do you guys want to throw at the stud DB? LOL! How about a stud LB... you want to run to his side? I've heard some great coaches make that statement... attack the strengths... but I just don't believe it! Although me talking about passing is like hank williams talking about rap... I think it is different invovling a DB. The play is generally in space, and a superior athelete wins in space. In our offense, the bone, the point of the play emphasizes the power at the POA. Taking the gap or side away from that stud d-tackle gives them a chance to operate untouched for a longer period of time. As it is easier to double team where the ball is going, then it is away (what is the point really taking people away from the play) we run it right at them. A stronger athlete, faster athlete, bigger player, and smarter player will be more productive if given the oportunity to read the play and use their talents to the fullest. By manning up on them early, running the ball AT them, and requiring them to fight our offense at its greatest point, we think they are less effective. It is apples and oranges. Last year we tried to run away from "the stud" for the first half... the second half we ran RIGHT at him, and realized really quickly it was more effective giving him less of an opportunity to disrupt and crash. The NT caused a lot less problems when we ran right at him. Prior to that, he was beating the center off the ball... killing him, getting to the qb on the option, killing on the pass rush, and making plays in the backfield. When we started running to his side, pivot blocking (my favorite over aggressive dt move EVER) him out of the play, and giving him less time to operate, he folded. |
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Post by phantom on Aug 15, 2006 19:25:47 GMT -6
My coaching mentor, who's forgotten more football than I'll ever know, used to say the exact same thing... "take the play to talent..." But I still think its utter madness... A stud DT, is a stud DT, because he not only "CONTROLS HIS GAP", but also, "squeezes" the gap to his interior... you can't run against that!... You double team him, and you've given up 2 for his 1... run away... and if he catches it from behind... then fire your HB! I don't know about you guys... but we study film, create scouting reports, to find weaknesses to exploit... a tackle that takes plays off... has a poor stance... doesn't do his job... that's where we want to attack... NOT TO THE STUD ON THE LINE! Same with a DB... do you guys want to throw at the stud DB? LOL! How about a stud LB... you want to run to his side? I've heard some great coaches make that statement... attack the strengths... but I just don't believe it! The DB? Absolutely not except sometimes the bite on play action. Do you want to challenge him with fades? Yeah, if you're taking the points. A DT? Maybe not depending on what makes him such a stud. You run at quickness. If he's a guy who chases people down, then attack him. If he's just an unblockable load, run away. Most great DEs and LBs do it with speed. They love for you to run away from them. Run at them. Athletic DEs can be overaggressive and can be had with boots. |
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Post by blb on Aug 15, 2006 19:31:24 GMT -6
It obviously depends on what position he plays, and how he plays.
Some "studs" are great sideline to sideline, not as good when you go right at them. Or, vice versa. Some, you can negate when you mix it up, and make them less aggressive.
Our philosophy (remember, we're a Veer team) is: read him, trap him, option him, or run (and/or pass) away from him. We also like to give a guy like that schemes that turn a good defensive reaction into a bad one.
We try to find one guy - the opponents' weakness - and work on him, as well as taking what they give us, x and o-wise.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Aug 15, 2006 19:42:28 GMT -6
We try to develop as much misdirection into our offense. Our running backs MUST sell fakes. In fact, we had this discussion in the classroom today. A running back who sells a terrific fake may take two defenders with him & cause hesitation in one more (if not the entire secondary). A great fake may be as good as blocking 2, 3, 4, or more defenders with just one offensive player. If we see a superior DE, we will Jet Sweep fake to his side & trap, dive, or option away. If we see a superior LB, he has to make a snap decision (defend the Jet or the dive/trap). We want defenders to hesitate.
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Post by here4thekids on Aug 15, 2006 22:19:15 GMT -6
I too believe that you RUN and THROW away from a superior athlete. If you have a DE who is very athletic and is chasing plays down form behind then you as a coach have to see this and adjust accordingly. A crashing DE (especially a fast athletic one) is open to counters, reverse, and bootlegs as one of the coaches has stated already. If you have a stud DT then run outside, play-action, or run to the other DT's side. Yes making them play honest can work also (fakes, option, ect.) but they are studs for a reason and have to be treated as such. That's the STUD FACTOR!! I don't understand how we spend all this time finding out a team's strengths and weaknesses and then in turn decide to attack their strengths. To me it doesn't make sense but as my grandfather always told me "there are many ways to skin a cat."
Sincerely,
Coach D
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