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Post by jml on May 27, 2007 14:28:32 GMT -6
I looked for other thread but I didn't see anything.
I have been told by trainers and other coaches that football is safer to play than soceer. Are there any stats to back this up? I have had 2 students who's parents will not let them play. I looking on the NCAA.org web site and they seem to say the opposite.
Am I misinformed? Or if not how can I convince these parents?
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Post by coachwarner on May 27, 2007 14:46:04 GMT -6
Organized football among 5-15 year olds has 12% fewer injuries per capita than organized soccer in the same age range.**
Organized football among 5-15 year olds has 50% fewer injuries per capita than bicycle riding in the same age range.***
Organized football among 5-15 year olds has 74% fewer injuries per capita than skateboarding in the same age range.****
*"Injuries in Youth Football", Institute of Sports Medicine and Athletic Trauma, Lenox Hill Hospital, published in Pediatrics magazine.
**U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, NEISS
***Ibid
****Ibid
also check into catastrophic injuries in swimming!
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Post by fbdoc on May 27, 2007 14:52:09 GMT -6
Football has fewer injuries than - in order - Cheerleading, Basketball, Baseball and Soccer. I also like to point out to parents that In football, the players are actually trying to hit (not hurt) each other.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2007 14:56:48 GMT -6
guys..while it is great to tout our sport, I do think it does it a disservice to hide the devil in the details. While you may be able to find statistics (lies, {censored} lies, and statistics) that show that Football has fewer INJURIES than other sports, do the stats also break down the likelyhood of injury by severity? I think that would give a better picture and better information to the parents. I know what is what I would like to see.
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Post by coachwarner on May 27, 2007 15:20:54 GMT -6
Understand with every sport, injury is inevitable. also we need to understand more participation. means more injuries. Generally The higher the level the more serious the injuries.
Should we tell everyone to stop participating in sports because of the injuries.
I believe not. We should continue to promote sports for the positive experience a player recieves from playing organized sports.
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Post by fbdoc on May 27, 2007 15:41:13 GMT -6
Our trainer has these same national stats (lies?) at school but the statistics and the anecdotal evidence agree. Football is about the safest sport a kid can participate in.
Here are 5 injuries from our school this past year - you match them with the sport the kid was injured in.
Concussion
4 teeth knocked out
Broken Nose
Torn ACL
Broken Wrist
Concussion - Cheerleading. Girl was dropped on the floor.
4 Teeth knocked out - Baseball. 2 outfielders collided going for a fly ball.
Broken Nose - Soccer. Kid had his head down and ran into another player.
Torn ACL - Basketball. Kid made a "fake" and blew his knee out.
Broken Wrist - kid jumped to break up a pass and fell on his wrist.
Football is a tough sport for tough kids. Is it without risk of injury? NO, but neither is walking down the street. We need to promote our sport and tell the truth about the chance of injury. Very little compared to other sports that simply don't offer the protection that football gear provides.
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Post by coachwarner on May 27, 2007 16:25:53 GMT -6
" Football is a tough sport for tough kids"
another great football qoute
Thanks fbdoc
jml thats what you need tell the parents
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2007 17:12:09 GMT -6
fbdoc you can not support a point with hand selected anecdotal evidence. Using the same methodolgy I could provide a list including Death... which would be matched to football. So what is the correct answer?
Again, I say that the information NECESSARY to make that assertion would be sorting the injuries by frequency, AND severity. Perhaps that is just me, but in defining safety, I think that all injuries are not equal, so simply comparing the numbers of injuries is not the most prudent way to evaluate this.
Obviously not trying to be an opponent of my sport, just saying that it is important to investigate and explore everything.
And another great quote regarding statistics (lies) : "Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is nice, but what they conceal is far more interesting."
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Post by tigercoach on May 27, 2007 19:40:02 GMT -6
Again, I say that the information NECESSARY to make that assertion would be sorting the injuries by frequency, AND severity. Perhaps that is just me, but in defining safety, I think that all injuries are not equal, so simply comparing the numbers of injuries is not the most prudent way to evaluate this. Coachd, Can you expand on what you mean when you say that you "think all injuries are not equal". This is interesting. |
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Post by tog on May 27, 2007 19:43:12 GMT -6
guys..while it is great to tout our sport, I do think it does it a disservice to hide the devil in the details. While you may be able to find statistics (lies, {censored} lies, and statistics) that show that Football has fewer INJURIES than other sports, do the stats also break down the likelyhood of injury by severity? I think that would give a better picture and better information to the parents. I know what is what I would like to see. stats schmats any kid with half a brain can see what this game is about if it aint for them it aint for them they can go do tiddlywinks |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2007 19:50:16 GMT -6
tigercoach--that when you are talking about "safety", the number of injuries doesn't tell the whole story. For instance, while the statistics might show that soccer has 12% more injuries per capita in the 5-15 year old range (so that must not include H.S. football), what if you found out that football resulted in 27% more injuries that required general anesthic surgery? (NOTE..THAT IS A FABRICATED STATISTIC JUST USED TO SHOW A POINT)
Also, I think it is important to realize that in the prepubescent years, the safety equipment in football makes up a considerable portion of the kids total mass. As the kids get older, the equipment gets relatively smaller...AND the kids can now generate the kind of power to make the game more violent.
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Post by fbdoc on May 27, 2007 19:59:20 GMT -6
coachd - I listed the 5 situations at my school to illustrate exactly what you said, namely that anecdotal evidence - the kind parents most often use - simply isn't accurate. Football is by far the safest sport based upon number of kids participating vs number of injuries. That this is a statistical fact is even more impressive when you consider the collision nature of the game.
Parents can be quick to cry about the dangers of football over other sports and the only way to address their fears is to do so with the facts. Is a case of shin splints (cross country) different than a twisted ankle (basketball) different from a torn ACL (pick your sport)? Yes, they are "different" but I just don't understand your point here unless it's simply to be argumentative.
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Post by tigercoach on May 27, 2007 20:06:09 GMT -6
Ahh, being as simple as I am I just assumed that an injury is an injury.  ... That is until I just walked into my sons room (15 years old) and he was watching a show on MTV called "scarred" which included many clips of skateboarders & bicyclers crashing hard and this show is about the wreck and it's aftermath, blood , broken bones and all. Amazingly enough about 90% of those kids looked like kids who have came into my office and quit because a) football was to rough or not for them which is ok, or B) worse yet, kids of parents who came into my office and made their kids quit for fear of injury... I believe life is an assumed risk, if you take all things into consideration injury in life is a part of the deal. I don't want shelter myself or my kids for fear of injury yet teach them how to approach things in the safest possible mannner. I know your not blaming football for anything and I hope you don't think I bashing you because I'm not. This just struck a chord because last week in our first week of spring ball we had a kid break his ankle in the very first inside drill we did. This kid was not, has not and will not ever be a "player" but he is tough kid that comes from a tough family. I was at the hospital talking with Dad after practice explaining how another kid was blocked into him and the whole scenario and Dad said almost exactly what fbdoc said: "football and bullriding are tough sports for tough people" He smiled and said "thats life". As a coach and a dad, I agree. Thanks! tiger. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2007 20:15:25 GMT -6
Hey guys, i agree 100%. Football is a tough sport for tough people.
I am simply saying that "safety" in my opinion includes a severity factor, and the "facts" (statistics) promoted in this thread do not encompass that factor nor the fact that football becomes more violent as the age increases because of the ability to generate power with the body.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2007 20:21:15 GMT -6
I agree with coach5085. It's one thing to say "injuries"; it's another to report/do a study on the severity of those injuries. Also, this is probably off topic, but it's been my experience that kids who quit due to "injury concerns" are just using that as an excuse. It's not so much the injury factor, it's that they didn't want to commit to the time, discipline, and hard work.
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Post by rcole on May 29, 2007 10:51:03 GMT -6
I know the traditional sport with the highest death rate is almost always baseball. A blow to the head is obvious, but many die from a ball hitting them in the chest. There was an entire Dateline or 20/20 on this a few years ago.
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... That is until I just walked into my sons room (15 years old) and he was watching a show on MTV called "scarred" which included many clips of skateboarders & bicyclers crashing hard and this show is about the wreck and it's aftermath, blood , broken bones and all. Amazingly enough about 90% of those kids looked like kids who have came into my office and quit because a) football was to rough or not for them which is ok, or B) worse yet, kids of parents who came into my office and made their kids quit for fear of injury... I believe life is an assumed risk, if you take all things into consideration injury in life is a part of the deal. I don't want shelter myself or my kids for fear of injury yet teach them how to approach things in the safest possible mannner. 