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Post by fantom on Nov 1, 2018 17:57:09 GMT -6
I didnt think it could get any worse over there, Jersey has the weirdest playoff formula ive ever seen Seems like 3/4 of the schools in the state make the playoffs And it seems like half of those WIN state.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 18:03:01 GMT -6
I didnt think it could get any worse over there, Jersey has the weirdest playoff formula ive ever seen Seems like 3/4 of the schools in the state make the playoffs And it seems like half of those WIN state. Theres something like 30 classes or something its nuts, theres so many state champions, its hard to judge , however theres some outstanding teams up North, Bergen, Regional, St Peters, Paramus etc..
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Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2018 18:10:47 GMT -6
Theres something like 30 classes or something Seriously? Or is this a joke?
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Post by fantom on Nov 1, 2018 18:17:21 GMT -6
Theres something like 30 classes or something Seriously? Or is this a joke? An exaggeration. They call regional champ state champs.
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Post by fantom on Nov 1, 2018 18:19:06 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 18:20:57 GMT -6
Seriously? Or is this a joke? An exaggeration. They call regional champ state champs. Sorry 23 classes??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 18:30:04 GMT -6
Theres something like 30 classes or something Seriously? Or is this a joke? Sorry 23 according to the article
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Post by dvo45 on Nov 1, 2018 19:01:58 GMT -6
9-1 Conference Champ sitting at home because they are ranked lower in their region...than a 6-4 team that did not win their conference? What sense does that make? plenty..... Win games against teams of equal or larger size that win games. That 9-1 "conference champ" could be a D3 school - 3rd largest classification in a league with a bunch of D4 and D5 schools who aren't any good and didn't win any games. While that 6-4 team could be a D7 school smallest classification in a league with all D5's who won a ton of games. with 32 teams getting in generally if you've won 9 or 8 games your pretty much in. But I think this system does the best job of - 1 making every game on the schedule count and 2 - getting the best teams in - beat teams equal to or greater than your size who beat teams. You shouldn't be rewarded for playing scaboochies. Also you only get points for game you've won or your opponent won. You get don't get credit for losses. And it makes every game in the season matter. I can't stand district play where potentially only 5 games of your season actually matter. How you do you unschedule conference games?
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Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2018 19:59:45 GMT -6
Seriously? Or is this a joke? Sorry 23 according to the article Wow. That is crazy.
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Post by gccwolverine on Nov 1, 2018 21:30:19 GMT -6
plenty..... Win games against teams of equal or larger size that win games. That 9-1 "conference champ" could be a D3 school - 3rd largest classification in a league with a bunch of D4 and D5 schools who aren't any good and didn't win any games. While that 6-4 team could be a D7 school smallest classification in a league with all D5's who won a ton of games. with 32 teams getting in generally if you've won 9 or 8 games your pretty much in. But I think this system does the best job of - 1 making every game on the schedule count and 2 - getting the best teams in - beat teams equal to or greater than your size who beat teams. You shouldn't be rewarded for playing scaboochies. Also you only get points for game you've won or your opponent won. You get don't get credit for losses. And it makes every game in the season matter. I can't stand district play where potentially only 5 games of your season actually matter. How you do you unschedule conference games? You don't and can't but Schools in Ohio are free to form their own leagues or conferences or not join a league or conference they aren't forced to played in state determined districts or regions. It allows teams to control their own schedule and league affiliation. All 10 games on a schedule shouls matter not just 5 or 6 district region or league games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 4:33:08 GMT -6
Sorry 23 according to the article Wow. That is crazy. I know a lot of guys over there hate it
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Post by coachklee on Nov 2, 2018 5:06:49 GMT -6
The Illinois system is pretty sound. 256 teams (about half of the schools in Illinois) qualify for the playoffs divided into 32-team brackets across 8 classes. Conference champs and all 6,7,8, and 9-win teams are automatic qualifiers. The remaining spots are filled by 5-win teams that can get an at-large bid if they have enough "playoff points" (opponent wins). I think the cut-off this year was 38 or so. 5-4 teams whose opponents won 38 games got in the playoffs. 5-4 teams whose opponents won less than 38 games did not get in the playoffs. There is a tiebreaker in there, too. Wins of defeated oppoents, I think. There were 18 5-4 that did not make the playoffs this year. After the 256 playoff teams are determined, they are divided into the 8 classes. Smallest 32 schools are 1a, next biggest are 2a...all the way up to 8a. Then teams are seeded in the bracket based on regular season record and playoff points. Most classes have a north-south split (16 teams on the north side of the bracket, 16 teams in the south side of the bracket) except for 7a and 8a which go 1-32 (I think) and that's because most of those schools are located in the suburbs around Chicago. It is a pretty good system but there have been criticisms: 1) About 15 years ago, the state high school association determined that the state champion would be a true representative of the entire state. What this meant is that the playoffs were set up so that the state title game would feature a team from the southern part of the state and a team from the northern part of the state, at least in classes 1a-6a. So, the two "best" teams in a class don't necessarily meet in the state title game. Often, the biggest games featuring the most talented teams occur in the quarterfinals or semifinals or even on occasion in the 2nd round. As a result, there have been some boring blowout state title games over the years (but some really great ones, too). 2) Seeding. It is all done by the numbers. Your seed comes down to your record and your playoff points. The result is that sometimes, teams with higher seeds have much tougher paths than teams with lower seeds. Case in point. Our team was the #3 seed in the bracket. We easily won our 1st-round playoff game (we were up 56-6 at halftime). However, the #2 seed in the bracket was in a dogfight and needed a touchdown within the last minute of the game to advance. The #1 seed in the bracket, the defending state 2a champion, has a very tough path. They are playing a team this week that has a couple FBS commits and if they win that game, they will be probably be playing a perennial Catholic football factory in the quarterfinals. 3) Interesting map reading. Ever year, it seems that there are a handful of teams that should clearly go either north or south but they end up going the opposite direction. Like I said...it is a pretty good system but it has issues, too. larrymoe...did I miss anything? Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are are determined, they are then grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 2, 2018 5:37:28 GMT -6
The Illinois system is pretty sound. 256 teams (about half of the schools in Illinois) qualify for the playoffs divided into 32-team brackets across 8 classes. Conference champs and all 6,7,8, and 9-win teams are automatic qualifiers. The remaining spots are filled by 5-win teams that can get an at-large bid if they have enough "playoff points" (opponent wins). I think the cut-off this year was 38 or so. 5-4 teams whose opponents won 38 games got in the playoffs. 5-4 teams whose opponents won less than 38 games did not get in the playoffs. There is a tiebreaker in there, too. Wins of defeated oppoents, I think. There were 18 5-4 that did not make the playoffs this year. After the 256 playoff teams are determined, they are divided into the 8 classes. Smallest 32 schools are 1a, next biggest are 2a...all the way up to 8a. Then teams are seeded in the bracket based on regular season record and playoff points. Most classes have a north-south split (16 teams on the north side of the bracket, 16 teams in the south side of the bracket) except for 7a and 8a which go 1-32 (I think) and that's because most of those schools are located in the suburbs around Chicago. It is a pretty good system but there have been criticisms: 1) About 15 years ago, the state high school association determined that the state champion would be a true representative of the entire state. What this meant is that the playoffs were set up so that the state title game would feature a team from the southern part of the state and a team from the northern part of the state, at least in classes 1a-6a. So, the two "best" teams in a class don't necessarily meet in the state title game. Often, the biggest games featuring the most talented teams occur in the quarterfinals or semifinals or even on occasion in the 2nd round. As a result, there have been some boring blowout state title games over the years (but some really great ones, too). 2) Seeding. It is all done by the numbers. Your seed comes down to your record and your playoff points. The result is that sometimes, teams with higher seeds have much tougher paths than teams with lower seeds. Case in point. Our team was the #3 seed in the bracket. We easily won our 1st-round playoff game (we were up 56-6 at halftime). However, the #2 seed in the bracket was in a dogfight and needed a touchdown within the last minute of the game to advance. The #1 seed in the bracket, the defending state 2a champion, has a very tough path. They are playing a team this week that has a couple FBS commits and if they win that game, they will be probably be playing a perennial Catholic football factory in the quarterfinals. 3) Interesting map reading. Ever year, it seems that there are a handful of teams that should clearly go either north or south but they end up going the opposite direction. Like I said...it is a pretty good system but it has issues, too. larrymoe...did I miss anything? Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference. So if they are in regions and districts, why don’t they just use region and/or district records to determine who goes to the playoffs? Some of this just boggles my mind.
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Post by blb on Nov 2, 2018 6:04:14 GMT -6
Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference. So if they are in regions and districts, why don’t they just use region and/or district records to determine who goes to the playoffs? Some of this just boggles my mind.
Teams are not put in regions and districts until AFTER the 256 qualifiers are determined.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 2, 2018 6:10:42 GMT -6
The Illinois system is pretty sound. 256 teams (about half of the schools in Illinois) qualify for the playoffs divided into 32-team brackets across 8 classes. Conference champs and all 6,7,8, and 9-win teams are automatic qualifiers. The remaining spots are filled by 5-win teams that can get an at-large bid if they have enough "playoff points" (opponent wins). I think the cut-off this year was 38 or so. 5-4 teams whose opponents won 38 games got in the playoffs. 5-4 teams whose opponents won less than 38 games did not get in the playoffs. There is a tiebreaker in there, too. Wins of defeated oppoents, I think. There were 18 5-4 that did not make the playoffs this year. After the 256 playoff teams are determined, they are divided into the 8 classes. Smallest 32 schools are 1a, next biggest are 2a...all the way up to 8a. Then teams are seeded in the bracket based on regular season record and playoff points. Most classes have a north-south split (16 teams on the north side of the bracket, 16 teams in the south side of the bracket) except for 7a and 8a which go 1-32 (I think) and that's because most of those schools are located in the suburbs around Chicago. It is a pretty good system but there have been criticisms: 1) About 15 years ago, the state high school association determined that the state champion would be a true representative of the entire state. What this meant is that the playoffs were set up so that the state title game would feature a team from the southern part of the state and a team from the northern part of the state, at least in classes 1a-6a. So, the two "best" teams in a class don't necessarily meet in the state title game. Often, the biggest games featuring the most talented teams occur in the quarterfinals or semifinals or even on occasion in the 2nd round. As a result, there have been some boring blowout state title games over the years (but some really great ones, too). 2) Seeding. It is all done by the numbers. Your seed comes down to your record and your playoff points. The result is that sometimes, teams with higher seeds have much tougher paths than teams with lower seeds. Case in point. Our team was the #3 seed in the bracket. We easily won our 1st-round playoff game (we were up 56-6 at halftime). However, the #2 seed in the bracket was in a dogfight and needed a touchdown within the last minute of the game to advance. The #1 seed in the bracket, the defending state 2a champion, has a very tough path. They are playing a team this week that has a couple FBS commits and if they win that game, they will be probably be playing a perennial Catholic football factory in the quarterfinals. 3) Interesting map reading. Ever year, it seems that there are a handful of teams that should clearly go either north or south but they end up going the opposite direction. Like I said...it is a pretty good system but it has issues, too. larrymoe ...did I miss anything? Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference. I know some guys in Michigan gripe about the way we do it, and they are looking at changing it. IMO the way we do it is so much better than a lot of other states. In Utah you would have teams that were 2-8 get in because those two wins were conference wins. How the F can you justify a team with two W's getting into the playoffs?
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Post by fantom on Nov 2, 2018 6:58:27 GMT -6
Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference. I know some guys in Michigan gripe about the way we do it, and they are looking at changing it. IMO the way we do it is so much better than a lot of other states. In Utah you would have teams that were 2-8 get in because those two wins were conference wins. How the F can you justify a team with two W's getting into the playoffs? It depends on the system. I posted Virginia's system. Teams with losing records get in regularly but seldom does a team with a winning record get left out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 10:16:29 GMT -6
In Tennessee, that's every year... but at least our playoff system is simple to understand now. 6 classes. 8 districts per class based on geography. Top 4 teams in each district make it. Top 2 teams host in the first round while the bottom 2 qualifiers go on the road against the neighboring district, so #1 from district 1 plays #4 from district 2 in the first round and so on. The only thing is that we have some 4 and 5 team districts as well as some 8-9 team districts. We have an absolutely abysmal 0-9 team in this year, along with the routinely godawful 1-9 or 2-8 teams that play while 6-4 teams sit at home. We have something like 320 schools that play football and 192 make the playoffs. Some of the bad teams with lower numbers end up forfeiting their guaranteed playoff spots due to lack of numbers. A few years ago our state tried something similar to NJ and it was an epic disaster. 3 classes for the regular season split into 6 for the playoffs with the qualifiers and seeding based off a super complex points system built around a bunch of mysterious computer rankings and formulas. Two years in a row, the state association actually screwed up the math on their own formula and put a team in who shouldn't have qualified over one who should have. When that team protested and lawyered up, the state simply dropped the team that got in ahead of them mid-week and forced the qualifying team to drive 5 hours for their playoff game, since the brackets were already set.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 10:19:02 GMT -6
Everybody makes the playoffs in Minnesota. Yeah, HS teams in MN only play 8 regular season games. Yeah, the last regular season game is on a Wednesday; the first round of playoffs is on the following Tuesday; and the second round is played that same week on Saturday. That's 3 games in 11 days. Some of the better teams receive first round byes, and more often than not the first round games on Tuesday are blowouts. I think the worst teams should play each other in the first round and the winners of those games play the first round byes in the second round. Now that is stupid. I guess they just want to get it over with. In our state, the season starts in early August and the state championship games are during Thanksgiving weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 10:23:56 GMT -6
Who the hell is setting point spreads on high school football games, and who the hell is laying bets? This is New Jersey. Have you ever been to Atlantic City? In our state, I've heard of people being murdered over HS football gambling in Memphis.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 2, 2018 11:03:38 GMT -6
I am staunchly against any playoff system that divides playoff divisions based solely on previous success. Here in southern California we divide leagues up: some leagues have D1 teams (the highest) and D13 teams (the lowest); simply because one team has won in the past couple years while the others have not. Its CIFs chicken way of avoiding having to deal with big public schools poaching players. Whats worse is they just draw these arbitrary lines that punish success and reward failure. If you are really good, we may move you up a division and play against schools that are naturally bigger than you, if you lose we move you down to a place where you could maybe win state. Just keep leagues together, group playoffs by school population, and keep kids at their home schools. thats even further then i want to go.. here in the central section we get screwed over by the "bowl system"..which is 99% going to be north v south..... each champion (Valley, Southern, Northern) in each division should move onto a 3 way tournament for CA State Champion.
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Post by coachklee on Nov 2, 2018 13:02:43 GMT -6
Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference. So if they are in regions and districts, why don’t they just use region and/or district records to determine who goes to the playoffs? Some of this just boggles my mind. As blb mentioned, the regions and districts are set AFTER the 256 playoff teams are set. There is NO state involvement in setting up leagues/conferences. I assume the leagues/conferences were left to work independently of the state to maintain traditional rivalries when the playoff system was 1st introduced it was only 16 teams in 4 classes. In the end Michigan has a ridiculous number of schools. 747 MHSAA members with 543 sponsoring 11-man football and 62 sponsoring 8-man football. Until relatively recently (I think 2011) all 62 of those 8-man teams still played 11-man football. The original system divided the over 605 teams (some schools have closed or consolidated over the last 40+ years) into 4 classes of about 150 teams and then into 4 regions of about 35. The regions simply were never small enough to play a round robin schedule even as the playoffs expanded to 8 classes (region size of about 17) and went from just the best team in a region to the top 4 in a region qualifying for the playoffs. The only 2 solutions was the most recent system or cutting the last week off the regular season. I guess they could’ve broken the regions into two districts of 8 or 9 & take the 2, but local control won out.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 2, 2018 13:35:32 GMT -6
This can be so simple.
Decide how many rounds of playoffs you want. Say 5. That is 32 teams.
Decide what percentage of teams should make playoffs. Say 50%. So you need 64 in a class.
Take how many teams you have in your state. Say there are 384. Divide 384 by 64. That is 6 divisions of 64. Top 64 schools go in 6A. Next go in 5A and so forth.
Divide the 64 teams in each division into 8 regions of 8. Top 4 in each region make it and are seeded. Or decide to put them in regions of 4 and take top 2. This is all maleable.
Obviously if the divisions don’t divide perfectly, figure out how to handle. Maybe some regions will now have 7 teams or 9 teams. Or maybe you make it all divide perfectly and the top remainder is put in a super class or take the bottom remainder and put in a separate lower class.
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Post by carookie on Nov 2, 2018 14:02:20 GMT -6
I am staunchly against any playoff system that divides playoff divisions based solely on previous success. Here in southern California we divide leagues up: some leagues have D1 teams (the highest) and D13 teams (the lowest); simply because one team has won in the past couple years while the others have not. Its CIFs chicken way of avoiding having to deal with big public schools poaching players. Whats worse is they just draw these arbitrary lines that punish success and reward failure. If you are really good, we may move you up a division and play against schools that are naturally bigger than you, if you lose we move you down to a place where you could maybe win state. Just keep leagues together, group playoffs by school population, and keep kids at their home schools. thats even further then i want to go.. here in the central section we get screwed over by the "bowl system"..which is 99% going to be north v south..... each champion (Valley, Southern, Northern) in each division should move onto a 3 way tournament for CA State Champion. I'd be good with getting rid of the bowl games all together and just going back to having it end with winning CIF. At the most, just have the open division California Bowl like they originally did.
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Post by carookie on Nov 2, 2018 14:05:14 GMT -6
This can be so simple. Decide how many rounds of playoffs you want. Say 5. That is 32 teams. Decide what percentage of teams should make playoffs. Say 50%. So you need 64 in a class. Take how many teams you have in your state. Say there are 384. Divide 384 by 64. That is 6 divisions of 64. Top 64 schools go in 6A. Next go in 5A and so forth. Divide the 64 teams in each division into 8 regions of 8. Top 4 in each region make it and are seeded. Or decide to put them in regions of 4 and take top 2. This is all maleable. Obviously if the divisions don’t divide perfectly, figure out how to handle. Maybe some regions will now have 7 teams or 9 teams. Or maybe you make it all divide perfectly and the top remainder is put in a super class or take the bottom remainder and put in a separate lower class. Logical and Simple doesnt keep state officials employed or increase revenues. People need to justify their professional existence somehow
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Post by blb on Nov 2, 2018 14:19:24 GMT -6
This can be so simple. Decide how many rounds of playoffs you want. Say 5. That is 32 teams. Decide what percentage of teams should make playoffs. Say 50%. So you need 64 in a class. Take how many teams you have in your state. Say there are 384. Divide 384 by 64. That is 6 divisions of 64. Top 64 schools go in 6A. Next go in 5A and so forth. Divide the 64 teams in each division into 8 regions of 8. Top 4 in each region make it and are seeded. Or decide to put them in regions of 4 and take top 2. This is all maleable. Obviously if the divisions don’t divide perfectly, figure out how to handle. Maybe some regions will now have 7 teams or 9 teams. Or maybe you make it all divide perfectly and the top remainder is put in a super class or take the bottom remainder and put in a separate lower class.
In Michigan we currently have over 500 eleven-man football playing schools (used to be over 600.)
Which makes us different than a lot of states-their models won't work here.
The primary reason we went to "Six Wins and in," doubling the field, in 1999, was because there were teams before who went 7-2 or better that didn't get in because their schedule (usually conference-related) was so weak they did not get enough playoff points-average. Or some of them played and lost to more difficult out-of-conference opponents. Or for both reasons.
I was on the state football coaches' association Board of Directors when this was passed, and one of my best coaching friends was prime mover-shaker behind it.
He dominated a league where his school was the biggest enrollment-wise to the point it broke up and he had to schedule a few games a year against predominantly parochial school powers from around the state and even across the border who had similar scheduling problems.
So in spite of having good teams-records, he did not make the playoffs for a few years.
Until he and a few other coaches of a like mind were able to convince state association to change the playoff system.
The problem with current system is many schools have left leagues in search of where they might have a better chance to win six, and schedule weaker non-league opponents for same reason, and avoid traditionally tougher "football schools" which makes it harder for the latter to fill their schedules.
Many conferences previously based on geography have broken up because of this, and thus some long-time rivalries have gone away as well.
Plus frankly it has put a lot more pressure on coaches to at least make playoffs regularly, or risk losing their jobs.
So we have insured that teams with outstanding records get in to the state tournament - but also many teams who couldn't even compete for their league championship, much less state championship.
And that's why there or so many "blowouts" first couple rounds (Pre-Districts and Districts).
This isn't basketball or baseball. But the conference changes do affect other sports as well.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 2, 2018 16:22:04 GMT -6
Michigan is almost identical. 6 wins & you are in! 5-4 it is based on playoff points. After 256 teams are grouped by size into 8 Divisions of 32, then into Regions of 8, then into Districts of 4 & finally seeded based on playoff points. The only big complaint is that everyone who isn’t a state title contender is always trying to schedule 6 wins & try hard to dodge any quality opponents outside of their league/conference. I know some guys in Michigan gripe about the way we do it, and they are looking at changing it. IMO the way we do it is so much better than a lot of other states. In Utah you would have teams that were 2-8 get in because those two wins were conference wins. How the F can you justify a team with two W's getting into the playoffs? We would have made the playoffs at 2-7 this year in PA, we opted out. It's set up by district playoffs then the district winners go into inner district playoffs for state championships. We only had 7 teams in our class in our district this year, others have a 16 team bracket. Tonight there are district championships and first round district games locally. Had a district championship last week while we played our last regular season game. So it can get stupid in PA with the district playoffs.
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Post by fantom on Nov 2, 2018 16:43:37 GMT -6
Everybody makes the playoffs in Minnesota. Yeah, HS teams in MN only play 8 regular season games. Yeah, the last regular season game is on a Wednesday; the first round of playoffs is on the following Tuesday; and the second round is played that same week on Saturday. That's 3 games in 11 days. Some of the better teams receive first round byes, and more often than not the first round games on Tuesday are blowouts. I think the worst teams should play each other in the first round and the winners of those games play the first round byes in the second round. I've heard of other states that do that, have playoff games on week nights. It doesn't make sense to me. You go through the regular season playing one game a week. The playoffs come, the most important games of the year against unfamiliar opponents, and you have two days to get ready for them.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 3, 2018 5:58:29 GMT -6
You don't and can't but Schools in Ohio are free to form their own leagues or conferences or not join a league or conference they aren't forced to played in state determined districts or regions. It allows teams to control their own schedule and league affiliation. All 10 games on a schedule shouls matter not just 5 or 6 district region or league games. That's an interesting concept. Wouldn't work here because then the T$$AA couldn't flex their muscle every 4 years realigning regions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 9:52:30 GMT -6
This can be so simple. Decide how many rounds of playoffs you want. Say 5. That is 32 teams. Decide what percentage of teams should make playoffs. Say 50%. So you need 64 in a class. Take how many teams you have in your state. Say there are 384. Divide 384 by 64. That is 6 divisions of 64. Top 64 schools go in 6A. Next go in 5A and so forth. Divide the 64 teams in each division into 8 regions of 8. Top 4 in each region make it and are seeded. Or decide to put them in regions of 4 and take top 2. This is all maleable. Obviously if the divisions don’t divide perfectly, figure out how to handle. Maybe some regions will now have 7 teams or 9 teams. Or maybe you make it all divide perfectly and the top remainder is put in a super class or take the bottom remainder and put in a separate lower class. It can be simple. In Tennessee, the association makes its decisions based mostly off how much money they can get from playoff games, so they now reverse engineer it to insure they have 9 champions and playoff brackets (6 public+3 private). The important thing for them isn't the percentage of teams or fair classifications: it's getting a cut of the gate from a ton of playoff games so they make bank. I like your version better. In our state, I look for them to eventually go to fewer classifications because having 6 statewide classifications causes a lot of logistical issues in certain areas without many very small or very large schools. I could see them then divide our state geographically into 3rds or 4ths and do "regional" champions so they can add even more playoffs and playoff games, or at least cut down on travel expenses for the schools without losing any money for themselves.
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