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Post by wingtol on Sept 13, 2018 17:40:19 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Sept 13, 2018 18:10:07 GMT -6
It's amazing that not only somebody runs that drill but he films it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 18:32:55 GMT -6
Will make a good "Exhibit A"
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Post by carookie on Sept 13, 2018 21:21:27 GMT -6
Even the kid filming it says it dumb and is asking for a concussion. But you know, gotta toughen em up and make them hitters.....
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Post by mhs99 on Sept 13, 2018 21:42:28 GMT -6
That school's insurance policy just went up dramatically.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 14, 2018 6:36:06 GMT -6
I really shake my head at the coaches that still run drills like bull in the ring or Oklahoma’s (at least in this fashion) in today’s climate of concussion scares and such.
Usually, these are the coaches who also blame “soft millenials” for everything and think the biggest problem on their team is “toughness” and not anything else. I’ve coached with these guys and against these guys. They belong about 15 rows back in the stands, not on the sidelines. They’re fans, not coaches.
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Post by gccwolverine on Sept 14, 2018 7:16:26 GMT -6
For the record I think this drill is absurd, I wouldn't run it, not like this, not full speed, not person vs person and certainly not everyday. But are we saying that a kid is never in this position in a game? A kid is never asked to make a full speed head on profile tackle with the ball carrier coming at him like this? A safety never has to cover down from 10-15 yards deep with a back hitting a hole full speed right at him? Kickoff doesn't present this very scenario multiple times a game? Again this drill is silly, I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't run it like this, We'd employ a bag or a tackle wheel or thud it up at contact or any number of alternatives, but Football seems to be the only thing in the world where we expect people to get better and safer by doing the fundamental tasks of the activity less and less.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Sept 14, 2018 8:37:17 GMT -6
No I don't think this scenario takes place multiple times in games. Maybe once a season. I haven't seen one anything like this in a game ever that I can remember. That is over the last 15 seasons.
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Post by gccwolverine on Sept 14, 2018 9:06:39 GMT -6
No I don't think this scenario takes place multiple times in games. Maybe once a season. I haven't seen one anything like this in a game ever that I can remember. That is over the last 15 seasons. Ok.... because literally every kickoff is this. A returner with a full sprint and cover man with a full sprint more than 20 yards apart and a come to balance high impact collision. Again I don't like the drill in fact I hate it I think you can accomplish something similar in a better way. But this uproar of this is the absolute worst thing anyone'sever seen is absurd as well. Multiple kids are going to be in this exact position tonight all across the country.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 14, 2018 9:19:43 GMT -6
No I don't think this scenario takes place multiple times in games. Maybe once a season. I haven't seen one anything like this in a game ever that I can remember. That is over the last 15 seasons. Ok.... because literally every kickoff is this. A returner with a full sprint and cover man with a full sprint more than 20 yards apart and a come to balance high impact collision. Again I don't like the drill in fact I hate it I think you can accomplish something similar in a better way. But this uproar of this is the absolute worst thing anyone'sever seen is absurd as well. Multiple kids are going to be in this exact position tonight all across the country. But this isn’t true. Some might be similar. But how many times is it a pure straight on tackle and the returner tries to run the guy over instead of make him miss?
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Post by gccwolverine on Sept 14, 2018 9:32:02 GMT -6
Ok.... because literally every kickoff is this. A returner with a full sprint and cover man with a full sprint more than 20 yards apart and a come to balance high impact collision. Again I don't like the drill in fact I hate it I think you can accomplish something similar in a better way. But this uproar of this is the absolute worst thing anyone'sever seen is absurd as well. Multiple kids are going to be in this exact position tonight all across the country. But this isn’t true. Some might be similar. But how many times is it a pure straight on tackle and the returner tries to run the guy over instead of make him miss? More than zero which is the point I'm trying to make. How safe is a kid if he's got a guy barreling down on him from 20 yards away and the runner decides nah we aren't going for the make him miss here we're going through him, and the kids never ever been in that position before? Football is the only activity in the world where we now all of a sudden expect a kid or player to get better by doing the skills and tasks necessary for success less. I don't like the drill (hell we rarely tackle people but we get a million reps at it), my rant is more so on the continued limited contact, limited time, limited time in pads rules that are shoveled upon us. Guess what..... you want kids to better safer tacklers making the game safer? THEN THEY HAVE TO TACKLE! How are we making kids safer if the first time they are in a situation is a 8:35 pm on 1 of the 10 Friday's throughout the year? The people that are writing the rules haven't figured that out. We'll play a back next Friday that is 230 lbs he had a offer from Auburn as a Freshman he's a freaking beast he will have angles on safeties and DB's multiple times in games I've broken down and he won't take them infact he'll turn and make a B-line to initiate contact by going through a safeties face. My message to our kids next week will be PROTECT yourself, and we will drill and drill and drill the heck out of it because The kid's first time having it happen can't be Friday night in the 2nd quarter when the RB breaks loose.
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Post by dubber on Sept 14, 2018 13:19:34 GMT -6
Must've skipped those NFHS videos.......
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 15, 2018 12:34:46 GMT -6
I'm not being dramatic when I say those guys should never coach again. Set aside that they're holding that drill for their own sick pleasure. They are literally making their team worse by losing players to injury and making kids afraid to hit. Even Ronnie Lott at the end of his career wouldn't want to do that nonsense and he was fearless.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 15, 2018 13:06:14 GMT -6
For the record I think this drill is absurd, I wouldn't run it, not like this, not full speed, not person vs person and certainly not everyday. But are we saying that a kid is never in this position in a game? A kid is never asked to make a full speed head on profile tackle with the ball carrier coming at him like this? A safety never has to cover down from 10-15 yards deep with a back hitting a hole full speed right at him? Kickoff doesn't present this very scenario multiple times a game? Again this drill is silly, I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't run it like this, We'd employ a bag or a tackle wheel or thud it up at contact or any number of alternatives, but Football seems to be the only thing in the world where we expect people to get better and safer by doing the fundamental tasks of the activity less and less. No, I don't think anyone is saying that. I think everyone is saying that the drill is absurd, that they wouldn't run it.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 17, 2018 8:26:37 GMT -6
But this isn’t true. Some might be similar. But how many times is it a pure straight on tackle and the returner tries to run the guy over instead of make him miss? More than zero which is the point I'm trying to make. How safe is a kid if he's got a guy barreling down on him from 20 yards away and the runner decides nah we aren't going for the make him miss here we're going through him, and the kids never ever been in that position before? Football is the only activity in the world where we now all of a sudden expect a kid or player to get better by doing the skills and tasks necessary for success less. I don't like the drill (hell we rarely tackle people but we get a million reps at it), my rant is more so on the continued limited contact, limited time, limited time in pads rules that are shoveled upon us. Guess what..... you want kids to better safer tacklers making the game safer? THEN THEY HAVE TO TACKLE! How are we making kids safer if the first time they are in a situation is a 8:35 pm on 1 of the 10 Friday's throughout the year? The people that are writing the rules haven't figured that out. We'll play a back next Friday that is 230 lbs he had a offer from Auburn as a Freshman he's a freaking beast he will have angles on safeties and DB's multiple times in games I've broken down and he won't take them infact he'll turn and make a B-line to initiate contact by going through a safeties face. My message to our kids next week will be PROTECT yourself, and we will drill and drill and drill the heck out of it because The kid's first time having it happen can't be Friday night in the 2nd quarter when the RB breaks loose. I do understand your point. But won't you just try and tackle low here instead of the head on head collisions in the OP?
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Post by coachcb on Sept 17, 2018 10:47:59 GMT -6
These guys are morons and wish the school would've canned them to set an example. Participation in football is already taking a hit because of the concussion issue and coaches like this are going to make it worse.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Sept 17, 2018 13:42:01 GMT -6
When I played freshmen football 35 years ago, we lost a game, the other team had 2 or three long TD runs. So the coaches decided we needed to practice live pursuit angle tackling.
Half the team lined up at the 50 along the sideline, the others were on the 40 (nearest the goalline). On the whistle the kid on the sideline would take off sprinting, while the kid on the 40 would sprint at an angle and "clock" the ball carrier at full speed, somewhere between the 20 and 10 yard line.
It seems this may have gone on all practice, there were several injuries, the coaches didn't take into consideration of mismatches by size or ability, just where you happened to be in line.
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Post by hsrose on Sept 17, 2018 14:28:45 GMT -6
The worst one I saw was my son's 1st year in youth. Kids were 8-12 on the same squad. The coaches took the kids, 35 or so, and lined them up facing each other in two lines of 16-17 on each side. Then took two players and put them back to back in the center of the formation. Then they blew the whistle and the players would run out of the 'tunnel', around the tunnel, and then back into the tunnel colliding in the middle at full speed. No ball, just run around the line and hit the other kid as hard as possible in the middle of the line.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Sept 17, 2018 14:35:11 GMT -6
The worst one I saw was my son's 1st year in youth. Kids were 8-12 on the same squad. The coaches took the kids, 35 or so, and lined them up facing each other in two lines of 16-17 on each side. Then took two players and put them back to back in the center of the formation. Then they blew the whistle and the players would run out of the 'tunnel', around the tunnel, and then back into the tunnel colliding in the middle at full speed. No ball, just run around the line and hit the other kid as hard as possible in the middle of the line. Sounds like "Lover's Lane" or a "100 yards of bad road"... Very common JV and Freshmen football drills, along with "Bull in the Ring" back in my day.
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Post by newhope on Sept 20, 2018 12:00:08 GMT -6
But this isn’t true. Some might be similar. But how many times is it a pure straight on tackle and the returner tries to run the guy over instead of make him miss? More than zero which is the point I'm trying to make. How safe is a kid if he's got a guy barreling down on him from 20 yards away and the runner decides nah we aren't going for the make him miss here we're going through him, and the kids never ever been in that position before? Football is the only activity in the world where we now all of a sudden expect a kid or player to get better by doing the skills and tasks necessary for success less. I don't like the drill (hell we rarely tackle people but we get a million reps at it), my rant is more so on the continued limited contact, limited time, limited time in pads rules that are shoveled upon us. Guess what..... you want kids to better safer tacklers making the game safer? THEN THEY HAVE TO TACKLE! How are we making kids safer if the first time they are in a situation is a 8:35 pm on 1 of the 10 Friday's throughout the year? The people that are writing the rules haven't figured that out. We'll play a back next Friday that is 230 lbs he had a offer from Auburn as a Freshman he's a freaking beast he will have angles on safeties and DB's multiple times in games I've broken down and he won't take them infact he'll turn and make a B-line to initiate contact by going through a safeties face. My message to our kids next week will be PROTECT yourself, and we will drill and drill and drill the heck out of it because The kid's first time having it happen can't be Friday night in the 2nd quarter when the RB breaks loose. I'm sorry, but that's like saying that because there's not a zero chance of you not running your car into a brick wall you need to practice it. This doesn't happen on every kickoff and in every game. I'm not sure the last time I saw two players run at each other full speed from that far away and hit each other head on and full speed. This drill was stupid. It was dangerous. They should have been fired, on the spot. The administration that didn't fire them should be fired as well.
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