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Post by wiscoach on Sept 8, 2018 14:09:42 GMT -6
We're a school of 190, pretty talented, playing a school quite bigger than us this week.
They have a RB/Mike who is is going on scholarship to a premier Big 10 program. Averaging 17 yards per carry, blowing teams out every week.
Talent-wise, other than the "dude" I think we are essentially equal. But I'm watching game film on this kid, and the only people that can tackle him are the defenses best 2 or 3 kids. I'm under the assumption that right now we have probably 4 that can actually tackle him. We will spend all week roll tackling but any that get up high will just bounce off of him.
We're 3-3, and get into a 4-2-5 vs a tight end.
They employ a TE and run power and counter and chuck it down the field with reasonable success.
We played a team last week that was reasonably talented, but they had a bad 3 tech and we ran power and counter at him for 9 yards a carry and they just never adjusted. I feel like they would have had a chance if they went out "guns blazing" and did something to help this kid out. The base 4-3 just could not get it done because our RT had 18 pancakes on their 3 tech.
I am having a hard time justifying sitting in base and dying a slow death. I think if we can go plus 3 in the turnover margin we'll be in it. The other side to that coin is if we roll the dice and don't tackle behind the LOS then it's gonna be 28-0 before we know it.
Anyone have any thoughts or advice here?
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Post by fantom on Sept 8, 2018 16:03:21 GMT -6
You're screwed.
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Post by coachscdub on Sept 8, 2018 16:36:48 GMT -6
Well uh thats a tough one.
I would say depending on how much D he plays, i would try and tire him out, throw quick screens sideline to sideline and make him chase em down. On D i would probably put those 3/4 best tacklers in the box but off of the LOS, let them flow and get after him, use your DL to just occupy space. In all honesty though there's not a whole lot else aside from pray for the best.
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Post by agap on Sept 9, 2018 19:38:28 GMT -6
We played a team last week that has had many players go D1 in the past few years. We only had a couple calls and our plan was to take away the deep ball and make them drive down the field, hoping they'd turn the ball over. We only gave up one touchdown in the first half because they turned the ball over a few times once they got inside the 30. The second half didn't go well though.
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Post by gccwolverine on Sept 11, 2018 11:16:58 GMT -6
DO NOT........ DO NOT...... DO FREAKING NOT PLAY A DEFENSE OF THE WEEK. EVER!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 12:39:50 GMT -6
Always play within the structure of your base defense. Anything else will confuse the kids and you will struggle.
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Post by vanden48 on Sept 12, 2018 8:37:26 GMT -6
If you have a 7 man pressure send the house.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 12, 2018 9:29:54 GMT -6
When we get this, I remind our hc/Oc that we are going to need help from him. We either need to out shoot them or we need to keep their stud off the field by grinding the clock. All three phases of the game are closely related and in situations where you are outmanned it is even more vital to synergize as a complete team.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Sept 12, 2018 9:32:56 GMT -6
Defense of the week..
Several years ago I was coaching in Texas, and an "old-time" coach, at a clinic over a couple of beverages, showed me and couple other young coaches how he held Billy Sims (in High School) to under 100 rushing yds, and no TD's, on 22 carries.
It was kind of 5-3, with the MLB spying Billy Simms, and the DL slanting to whichever way they thought his going.
After he got done and we all told him how impressed we were. He said "yeah but... on 5 other carries Sims, had over 200 hundred yards and 5 TD's"...
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Post by nicku on Sept 12, 2018 9:37:53 GMT -6
When we get this, I remind our hc/Oc that we are going to need help from him. We either need to out shoot them or we need to keep their stud off the field by grinding the clock. All three phases of the game are closely related and in situations where you are outmanned it is even more vital to synergize as a complete team. Good point, and especially true in this case since he says the stud back plays defense, too. Keep your offense on the field as long as possible, and try to make him work a lot/be frustrated. Cut him when you can (not saying try to hurt him or play dirty, just frustrate him), and when they sub him out to rest, expose that backup. Good luck to ya, brother. We had a somewhat similar situation against a stud running back last year (not going to a premier program, but somewhere power 5). We won 15-14 because our holder dropped an extra point snap and ran in in for 2. Sometimes you just get lucky. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 12, 2018 9:56:22 GMT -6
If you're in a 3-3 just run that psycho defense crap and have your kids jump into gaps. At least it might slow his blockers down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 13:32:18 GMT -6
You’re in trouble either way. The truth hurts, but talent beats scheme almost every time. If you want to do a defense of the week, honestly... this is your opportunity to slap together whatever crazy idea you drew up on a napkin 3 years ago and put it out there. At least if he shreds it for 17 ypc and a ton of TDs, you can point to the gimmicky defense and pretend your base stuff would have stopped him so the kids keep faith. That’s how that works, right?  The best defense in this situation is to try to hog the ball and sit on it as long as possible. Grind it out. Take your time calling the play and wait until the ref signals time’s running out to get lined up and run it, etc. He’ll still be a beast, but if you give him 20-30 plays to hurt you je’ll Do a lot less damage than he can in 60. |
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Post by blb on Sept 12, 2018 14:38:35 GMT -6
Reality of coaching HS football is sometimes you can't determine if you're going to win or lose, just how you're going to lose.
Do what you can from your "base" defense to take away the "stud."
Attack their blocking schemes, take away Power and Counter, force "stud" outside or for them to have to pass to beat you.
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Post by 53 on Sept 13, 2018 6:06:46 GMT -6
Put in the Snake Eye 7, and enjoy your ice shower on friday night after the game.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Sept 13, 2018 18:41:07 GMT -6
Why not go 5-3 if you’re a 3-3 Defense? 8 man box depending on their formations should help.
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Post by fantom on Sept 13, 2018 19:02:19 GMT -6
You’re in trouble either way. The truth hurts, but talent beats scheme almost every time. If you want to do a defense of the week, honestly... this is your opportunity to slap together whatever crazy idea you drew up on a napkin 3 years ago and put it out there. At least if he shreds it for 17 ypc and a ton of TDs, you can point to the gimmicky defense and pretend your base stuff would have stopped him so the kids keep faith. That’s how that works, right? The best defense in this situation is to try to hog the ball and sit on it as long as possible. Grind it out. Take your time calling the play and wait until the ref signals time’s running out to get lined up and run it, etc. He’ll still be a beast, but if you give him 20-30 plays to hurt you je’ll Do a lot less damage than he can in 60. Over the years I've done a "defense of the week" a few times. I don't recall it ever not be a disaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 6:12:28 GMT -6
You’re in trouble either way. The truth hurts, but talent beats scheme almost every time. If you want to do a defense of the week, honestly... this is your opportunity to slap together whatever crazy idea you drew up on a napkin 3 years ago and put it out there. At least if he shreds it for 17 ypc and a ton of TDs, you can point to the gimmicky defense and pretend your base stuff would have stopped him so the kids keep faith. That’s how that works, right? The best defense in this situation is to try to hog the ball and sit on it as long as possible. Grind it out. Take your time calling the play and wait until the ref signals time’s running out to get lined up and run it, etc. He’ll still be a beast, but if you give him 20-30 plays to hurt you je’ll Do a lot less damage than he can in 60. Over the years I've done a "defense of the week" a few times. I don't recall it ever not be a disaster. That’s what I was getting at. It sounds like a foregone conclusion that any defense is going to be a disaster against this kid, so what’s the real risk of experimenting if the OP has some idea on the shelf he’s been itching to try? That he gets 20ypc instead of 17? |
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 14, 2018 7:48:04 GMT -6
I’m often torn between the dichotomy of “we should do what we do best” vs “we stink at what we do, there’s literally nothing to lose.”
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Post by blb on Sept 14, 2018 7:55:07 GMT -6
It's like religion - if you don't believe in it (your base defense) when you're in trouble, you never really believed in it at all.
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