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Post by airraider on Aug 18, 2018 10:31:24 GMT -6
Anyone run a shortened version of pregame?
Most of us are probably creatures of habit and tend to do what we do because that's what has always been done. But...
I just hate the thought of getting out on the field before 6 and basically working our kids out for 45 minutes and then sending them in for 20 minutes before we play.
Thinking of ways to change it up.
Maybe not go back into locker room before... come out later and stay out. A few words by the coach in the endzone before heading to sideline.
What exactly is "needed" in pregame? Need to warm up... need to get a little hitting in... need to run a few plays. Was looking back at some posts from several years back and one guy said they do 7 on 7 in pregame. Is that really needed?
How much theatrics are done for looks vs things that are done for actual carry over for the game?
Just trying to get it all figured out. I HATE pregame... hate it! When at home especially.. the visitors don't see us until we are about to kick off. We do all of our stuff on our practice field behind the field house.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 18, 2018 17:19:15 GMT -6
I’ve always advocated for shorter pregames. My dream walkthrough is a warmup, a five-play walkthrough, let’s go.
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Post by teachcoach on Aug 18, 2018 17:47:00 GMT -6
Walk through in the gym or field house earlier if necessary, then just get warmed up enough to be ready to play is my ideal. I don't like running through plays in pregame. I have actually gotten a great scout look as teams have run their first 5-10 plays on their script in pregame. Get warmed up and play. Maybe my track and field background is showing. 20 minutes is perfect in my mind.
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Post by carookie on Aug 18, 2018 21:09:18 GMT -6
Ive been on staffs that do a lot, been on those that do a little. Before you can think about taking stuff out I think you need to decide what is necessary; here is a list of things I see a lot of teams do.
Early outs
-Qb Warm up throws
-Centers practice snapping
-Long snappers snap
-Holders holding
-Kickers kicking
Warmups
-Static Stretch
-Dynamic warmups
-Running/Agilities
-Jumping Jacks
Positional
-Tackling
-Stance & Get offs
-Blocking drills
-Block Destruction
-DB drops
-Keys
-Routes on air
-Handoff Exchange
Team
-O Team
-D Team
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Post by doitforthekids on Aug 18, 2018 21:49:27 GMT -6
-SPT and QB’s dynamic warmup, everyone else walks through blocking schemes
-SPT and QB do skill work, half way through everyone else goes through dynamic warmup
-some sort of fit and drive fundamental drills (tackling/blocking) to get body ready for contact.
-2 minute running 1 basic play to score, kick PAT, done
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Post by coachnichols on Aug 19, 2018 7:29:40 GMT -6
I have been thinking this same thing airraider. I think part of my dislike of the traditional set up is I hate waiting for the game to start. My plan is to cut out the dead time that usually has kids sitting around and waiting to go out. I'd like to be on the field sooner (right before the game) and have a real warmup then rather than an hour before the game and then go through technique, tackling, team on air, etc.
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Post by mrjvi on Aug 19, 2018 17:20:28 GMT -6
I've mentioned this several times on these threads that being a minimalist, we leave the locker room 20 minutes from kick off. We do a few minutes of lines of warmup pretty much for the ra ra. Then we run 6-8 plays against our 2nds then sideline to play. Long warmups are brutal. Plus, too many of my kids are always on the field. We get to the other school or our school 1 hour before kick off. We've been to the states 4 times-won it once so either extensive warmups are a waste of time or we win despite what we do. I very much doubt that. Injuries have been fewer. We don't warm up before practice either. Saves lots of time.
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Post by carookie on Aug 19, 2018 18:02:42 GMT -6
I've mentioned this several times on these threads that being a minimalist, we leave the locker room 20 minutes from kick off. We do a few minutes of lines of warmup pretty much for the ra ra. Then we run 6-8 plays against our 2nds then sideline to play. Long warmups are brutal. Plus, too many of my kids are always on the field. We get to the other school or our school 1 hour before kick off. We've been to the states 4 times-won it once so either extensive warmups are a waste of time or we win despite what we do. I very much doubt that. Injuries have been fewer. We don't warm up before practice either. Saves lots of time. Do you do the traditional specialist or early outs work (snappers, kickers, holders, QBs get loose) |
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Post by jlenwood on Aug 19, 2018 21:11:11 GMT -6
I have always wondered, and never really got a good answer to my question, but why run through ANY plays before a game? I mean, haven't you been running them all week? Is a few reps right before a game where you are really gonna catch that one mistake and correct it?
I once worked for a coach who if we had a 7:30 game 15 minutes away, would leave the school at 5:00 and get there 2 hours early.....that sucked! I say get there an hour at the most early, have somebody get your electronics and other necessities there in a separate vehicle and already set up for when you get there, and get on the field about 30-45 minutes early to get loose in your groups.
Anybody ever go to an NFL game or NCAA and see them running through 15 of their top plays right in front of their competitor? Yea, neither have I.
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Post by mrjvi on Aug 20, 2018 5:07:29 GMT -6
Jenwood-to be honest we were late to 2 games last year and ran to the sideline just in time to play. We won both those games. We only run a few plays to see if their heads seem ready to play, especially if I had to sub a new kid or 2 in that week. Not really to "fix" any plays or anything like that.
I hate to punt but our punters might kick on the sideline a couple times when we run a few plays. If he is a starter, oh well. We usually go for 2. Had no PAT/FG teams last year. Usually have something ready but usually go for 2 and hope I don't have to win with a FG. If I had a great kicker I'd expand it a little. I punt from 7-8 yd. Quick kick formation and usually squib kick.
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Post by MICoach on Aug 20, 2018 6:41:57 GMT -6
Here's what ours tends to be like:
T-minus 1:00 - special teams coach meets with whole team in the gym and makes sure everyone knows what they're on
-0:45 - Specialists and skill positions go out. QB's throw to WR/TE/RB's, Centers snap to QB's, Long snappers work together, kickers kick balls. This is organized but very casual - everyone has a place to be and knows who they're working with but it's mostly at a jog and without helmets/shoulder pads.
-0:30 - Rest of the team comes out, group stretch/dynamics
-0:25 - Defensive Indy
-0:20 - Offensive Indy
-0:15 - Offensive focused team period
-0:10 - Return to locker room
-0:02 - Sideline for National Anthem
Only thing that changes for away games is we do special teams review before we get on the bus.
This is about perfect - position coaches all get a chance to meet with their kids but it's really just getting their heads straight (not enough time to really work them out). There's some thudding and bumping to warm up to contact but nobody's laying anyone out. Everyone warms up the skills they need to.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Aug 20, 2018 7:11:18 GMT -6
Don’t want to change the subject too much, but what are you guys doing from after school- before warm ups? Are you having team meals? Are you sending the players home? This is the one that I’m constant any wanting to change.
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Post by blb on Aug 20, 2018 7:22:02 GMT -6
Don’t want to change the subject too much, but what are you guys doing from after school- before warm ups? Are you having team meals? Are you sending the players home? This is the one that I’m constant any wanting to change.
Did it both ways.
If you keep them there you can control what they eat but it's hard to find things for them to do entire time before Pre-Game.
If you let them go don't have to "entertain" them but what do you do if someone comes back late?
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Post by blb on Aug 20, 2018 7:28:07 GMT -6
As far as Pre-Gamne:
Kids like a routine and would rather be doing something active rather than sitting around lockerroom, in a meeting, and-or watching film before Kickoff. Most of them like getting "dressed" early.
It's the old fart coaches that get antsy-impatient and thus don't want to do even a short Individual period etc.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 20, 2018 7:42:03 GMT -6
Anybody ever go to an NFL game or NCAA and see them running through 15 of their top plays right in front of their competitor? Yea, neither have I. Haven't they already run/walked through those plays earlier in the day in their "walkthrough"? |
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Post by jlenwood on Aug 20, 2018 17:38:15 GMT -6
Anybody ever go to an NFL game or NCAA and see them running through 15 of their top plays right in front of their competitor? Yea, neither have I. Haven't they already run/walked through those plays earlier in the day in their "walkthrough"? Maybe. Nothing keeping a HS team from doing the same thing. I just always thought it goofy to do a full set of your best plays right in front of someone, and frankly the kids had it by then so why bother. |
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Post by silkyice on Aug 20, 2018 18:06:16 GMT -6
Haven't they already run/walked through those plays earlier in the day in their "walkthrough"? Maybe. Nothing keeping a HS team from doing the same thing. I just always thought it goofy to do a full set of your best plays right in front of someone, and frankly the kids had it by then so why bother. A high school usually has school that day, so that could prevent or make it difficult to do an earlier in the day walk through. The other coaches have your film. Don’t think you will be helping them by showing them your best plays in pre-game, if they are even watching. Don’t think I would show a new set or wrinkle. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 18:56:25 GMT -6
Ive been thinking about a short pregame for awhile now and i am finally gonna pull the trigger this year. Quick 10 minutes of specialist snapping punting kicking returning. Then the rest of the team comes out of the lockerroom. Do a progressively increasing in intensity dynamic warmup. 5 mins d indy. 5 mins o indy. Lets go play.
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Post by jlenwood on Aug 20, 2018 19:37:55 GMT -6
Maybe. Nothing keeping a HS team from doing the same thing. I just always thought it goofy to do a full set of your best plays right in front of someone, and frankly the kids had it by then so why bother. A high school usually has school that day, so that could prevent or make it difficult to do an earlier in the day walk through. The other coaches have your film. Don’t think you will be helping them by showing them your best plays in pre-game, if they are even watching. Don’t think I would show a new set or wrinkle. I get it, but still think it's a waste. |
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Post by mrjvi on Aug 21, 2018 4:41:13 GMT -6
Could be a waste but it's a little bit of contact to get them mentally ready. Coming right out and going right to the sideline to play wouldn't bother me a bit either. I'll have to think on it.  |
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Post by hornetfan63 on Aug 31, 2018 13:20:21 GMT -6
We have the kids take a nap in the locker room after school.
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 31, 2018 13:41:57 GMT -6
the longer i'm in it the less importance I think of pre-game. My last year as head coach we went out 30 minutes before game - warmed up - short indo - short team - where the main emphasis was switching from O/D to various special teams. I don't think going over plays is necessary and may be counterproductive as the opponents can get your base plays and cadence. Same with defense - I don't want the opponents to see any adjustments we might have made for them while in pregame.
No longer a head coach. We are getting to the field now two hours before the contest...
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Post by silkyice on Aug 31, 2018 14:34:14 GMT -6
the longer i'm in it the less importance I think of pre-game. My last year as head coach we went out 30 minutes before game - warmed up - short indo - short team - where the main emphasis was switching from O/D to various special teams. I don't think going over plays is necessary and may be counterproductive as the opponents can get your base plays and cadence. Same with defense - I don't want the opponents to see any adjustments we might have made for them while in pregame. No longer a head coach. We are getting to the field now two hours before the contest... Two hours!!!! |
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Post by blb on Aug 31, 2018 14:51:31 GMT -6
So, to all of you who do only a half hour Pre-Game prior to Kick off -
What do you do with the kids for the three hours or so before that (if anything)?
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Post by blb on Aug 31, 2018 15:02:59 GMT -6
We have the kids take a nap in the locker room after school.
On what?
From what time to what time?
Nobody else uses your lockerroom?
What do you do if a kid doesn't want to "nap"?
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Post by fantom on Aug 31, 2018 15:14:17 GMT -6
Anybody ever go to an NFL game or NCAA and see them running through 15 of their top plays right in front of their competitor? Yea, neither have I. Haven't they already run/walked through those plays earlier in the day in their "walkthrough"? When do you do this? |
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Post by silkyice on Aug 31, 2018 15:55:21 GMT -6
Haven't they already run/walked through those plays earlier in the day in their "walkthrough"? When do you do this? We do it during pre-game like most high schools. He was saying that colleges and NFL teams don’t do that. But those teams do that earier in the day. Maybe they would run throughj plays if they didn’t have that opportunity. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 1, 2018 6:12:24 GMT -6
We get out pretty early. I don’t mind it but I don’t love it either. A couple years in baseball I worked for a guy that had an extremely elaborate pregame i/o. It was awesome but it didn’t make sense to me why would spend so much time and energy on it.
He would get pissed if kids kicked it or skied a throw. One day I asked him what the purpose of the whole thing was. His response was that it got us ready to play baseball. I followed up with, if it gets us ready why don’t we do it before practices. He said damm, that’s a great question.
So we started doing it before practice everyday. After a couple practices he thought it took away minutes that were more useful so he shortened it up. He did the same in pregame.
That to me was really smart. I loved the way it looked but I didn’t understand the purpose.
In football I would shape the start of my practices and my pregame as close as I could. I think humans, young ones particularly thrive in the known. Sometimes games get turned into a spectacle and kids get caught in the atmosphere of the experience and the football they play on Friday is quite different than the football they prepared for all week.
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Post by hornetfan63 on Sept 1, 2018 22:58:26 GMT -6
We have the kids take a nap in the locker room after school.
On what?
From what time to what time?
Nobody else uses your lockerroom?
What do you do if a kid doesn't want to "nap"?
The kids bring in air matresses or lay on the hand shields or step over pads or just on the ground. They bring pillows, sleeping bags and blankets. I feel that they really enjoy it and welcome the nap. We typically sleep from 4-5:15, game starts at 7:30. Most kids will lay down and go to sleep ASAP for the kids who do not want to nap they are allowed to listen to music on their head phones. This is a true quiet time. Typically the coaches grab a quick nap as well. We as a staff break up the nap time into segments and monitor to make sure players are quiet, we have never had to get on to them. We are the only ones in the lockerroom on gameday. Doors get locked and all Sub varsity players are not allowed in the building. |
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Post by bighit65 on Sept 2, 2018 12:58:19 GMT -6
On what?
From what time to what time?
Nobody else uses your lockerroom?
What do you do if a kid doesn't want to "nap"?
The kids bring in air matresses or lay on the hand shields or step over pads or just on the ground. They bring pillows, sleeping bags and blankets. I feel that they really enjoy it and welcome the nap. We typically sleep from 4-5:15, game starts at 7:30. Most kids will lay down and go to sleep ASAP for the kids who do not want to nap they are allowed to listen to music on their head phones. This is a true quiet time. Typically the coaches grab a quick nap as well. We as a staff break up the nap time into segments and monitor to make sure players are quiet, we have never had to get on to them. We are the only ones in the lockerroom on gameday. Doors get locked and all Sub varsity players are not allowed in the building. Dang, that sounds awesome. I have a 4 year old son and a 9 year old son that never let me nap. I would like to apply for an unpaid position on your staff. |
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