dplubo
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Post by dplubo on Jul 10, 2018 7:01:21 GMT -6
I just want to vent a little and I’m not really looking for responses or fixes, but they are welcome. Hell I don’t even care if anybody reads this I just have to get it off my chest.
In the last three weeks we have lost 2 kids to transfers and last year we lost our qb to transfer. The two kids this year would have competed for spots and may have started but they seem to have left because they didn’t want to compete they just wanted to shine. I’m assuming that this isn’t just a problem at my little school but my question/statement is... what has happened to wanting to compete, loyalty to teammates and the love of the game?
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Post by option1st on Jul 10, 2018 8:20:00 GMT -6
Coach,
We are trying to teach these steadfast principles of the game (competition and loyalty) to the Selfie generation. It is certainly challenging and I sense the reasonable disgust in your post. Just focus on the good kids you do have, I'm sure you will only appreciate them more now.
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 10, 2018 9:41:56 GMT -6
I just want to vent a little and I’m not really looking for responses or fixes, but they are welcome. Hell I don’t even care if anybody reads this I just have to get it off my chest. In the last three weeks we have lost 2 kids to transfers and last year we lost our qb to transfer. The two kids this year would have competed for spots and may have started but they seem to have left because they didn’t want to compete they just wanted to shine. I’m assuming that this isn’t just a problem at my little school but my question/statement is... what has happened to wanting to compete, loyalty to teammates and the love of the game? The pervasive sense of entitlement. It stifles competitive goals and attitudes. Many people today think that society owes them something and its not necessary to try to be the best at something or to try and be a member of a team. Some coaches refer to it as "culture". If the going gets too tough...there's always welfare. That attitude trickles down to kids and they start to embrace it. |
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Post by wiscoach on Jul 10, 2018 10:03:58 GMT -6
I guess there are benefits to being in a 600 square mile rural district. "transferring" isn't easy because there is no where to go lol.
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Post by carookie on Jul 10, 2018 11:20:26 GMT -6
The problem, at least in my neck of the woods, is that parents & kids are sold on the belief that going to 'Big Name High' will greatly increase their chances at earning a college scholarship.
If that were true, I would probably encourage some kids to transfer; but I don't see that being the case. So, now I just try to show those parents how we all have HUDL, we all have contacts, we all know when and where the camps are, etc.
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dplubo
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Post by dplubo on Jul 12, 2018 7:29:34 GMT -6
I think the best advice I got and it was on here and from another coach was to focus on the kids that are still here. I think in my anger and disappointment I almost forgot what was important. Thanks
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Post by blb on Jul 12, 2018 7:33:54 GMT -6
I think the best advice I got and it was on here and from another coach was to focus on the kids that are still here. I think in my anger and disappointment I almost forgot what was important. Thanks
Early in my career I coached CFB couple years.
One thing I learned from recruiting was you cannot worry about the ones who go somewhere else, just find someone else who desires what you have to offer.
All you can do is afford them the opportunity, and "want-to" can make up for a lot.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2018 9:20:08 GMT -6
The problem, at least in my neck of the woods, is that parents & kids are sold on the belief that going to 'Big Name High' will greatly increase their chances at earning a college scholarship. If that were true, I would probably encourage some kids to transfer; but I don't see that being the case. So, now I just try to show those parents how we all have HUDL, we all have contacts, we all know when and where the camps are, etc. Interesting, that this seems to be the opposite of what the OP is experiencing. I am not sure that he is at "big name high" but mentions the kids departing for a "chance to shine" when he states they would have a "chance to start" at his school. dplubo I am a little confused. You state you have "a little school". So did these kids leave to go to even smaller schools? |
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Post by pitt1980 on Jul 12, 2018 10:25:35 GMT -6
How did the QB who transferred do?
Typically there is a big transaction cost to transferring schools,
you should keep track of how your players do at their new schools, most aren't helping themselves out as much as they are imagining themselves to be, that's useful information to convey to the next kid that will be thinking about transferring (if they are helping themselves, that's useful information to reflect on too)
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2018 11:29:01 GMT -6
The problem, at least in my neck of the woods, is that parents & kids are sold on the belief that going to 'Big Name High' will greatly increase their chances at earning a college scholarship. If that were true, I would probably encourage some kids to transfer; but I don't see that being the case. So, now I just try to show those parents how we all have HUDL, we all have contacts, we all know when and where the camps are, etc. Interesting, that this seems to be the opposite of what the OP is experiencing. I am not sure that he is at "big name high" but mentions the kids departing for a "chance to shine" when he states they would have a "chance to start" at his school. dplubo I am a little confused. You state you have "a little school". So did these kids leave to go to even smaller schools? Ha, darned if you do, darned if you don't. |
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jul 12, 2018 12:00:17 GMT -6
I empathize.
It’s an epidemic here in Southern California. Kids want instant gratification, parents aren’t willing to teach their kids the lesson of honoring their commitments and to make it worse other coaches are willing to bend whatever rules and standards there are if they think it’s going to help them win.
It’s a real dark cloud over modern parents that unfortunately not enough people in our profession are doing something to fix. There’s going to be a generation going into college and the workforce thinking it’s okay to quit or chicken out when the going gets tough.
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dplubo
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Post by dplubo on Jul 12, 2018 21:11:03 GMT -6
The problem, at least in my neck of the woods, is that parents & kids are sold on the belief that going to 'Big Name High' will greatly increase their chances at earning a college scholarship. If that were true, I would probably encourage some kids to transfer; but I don't see that being the case. So, now I just try to show those parents how we all have HUDL, we all have contacts, we all know when and where the camps are, etc. Interesting, that this seems to be the opposite of what the OP is experiencing. I am not sure that he is at "big name high" but mentions the kids departing for a "chance to shine" when he states they would have a "chance to start" at his school. dplubo I am a little confused. You state you have "a little school". So did these kids leave to go to even smaller schools? |
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Post by dplubo on Jul 12, 2018 21:14:59 GMT -6
we are a 2A school, that has done pretty well recently. QB last year transfered to a smaller school and played WR, did okay for himself. One transferred to another 2A school that has only had one winning season in the past 15 years the other to a smaller charter school.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2018 21:38:34 GMT -6
we are a 2A school, that has done pretty well recently. QB last year transfered to a smaller school and played WR, did okay for himself. One transferred to another 2A school that has only had one winning season in the past 15 years the other to a smaller charter school. And a 2A school in your area has what sized enrollment? What are the transfer rules in your area? I will be honest, I wouldn't begrudge these boys anything. Are you sure all the transfers were simply for athletic purposes? If football was the sole reason for transfers, sounds like they all lacked confidence in themselves. What grade? As far as your "love of the game" comment, couldn't it be argued that they loved the game, and wanted to play, so they transferred as opposed to staying and (potentially) not playing? Maybe this could be a signal for your staff to look inward, and see if you are doing things to foster this mindset or conversely do something to change it. I am certainly not suggesting fault, but you just stated that your QB (presumably starting QB) left to go play WR at a smaller school. That seems pretty atypical. |
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Post by dplubo on Jul 12, 2018 21:43:56 GMT -6
Sorry about that 4a is the biggest, 2a usually around 700 to 1000. I think the qb was lured to be a qb and then ended up being a reciever, he didn’t have the intention of being a wr. Thanks for the ideas, maybe your right, maybe the game that I grew up loving just isn’t the same. Maybe playing ball with your friends that you grew up with isn’t as important as chasing scholarships...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2018 21:47:03 GMT -6
Sorry about that 4a is the biggest, 2a usually around 700 to 1000. I think the qb was lured to be a qb and then ended up being a reciever, he didn’t have the intention of being a wr. Thanks for the ideas, maybe your right, maybe the game that I grew up loving just isn’t the same. Maybe playing ball with your friends that you grew up with isn’t as important as chasing scholarships... I am a little confused still. The qb was "lured away" to be a qb? He was already the starting QB at your place right? Or no, he was just a QB but not the starter? What grade are these transfers happening? Why do you think they are chasing scholarships if they are moving down to smaller schools? Again just brainstorming because the situations you describe are fairly atypical in my experience. |
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Post by dplubo on Jul 12, 2018 21:51:46 GMT -6
I’m guessing, just guessing that the qb took the advice of his private qb coach and left because they promised better college looks. It’s a guess but his qb coach does coach at the new school. He was going to be a junior.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2018 21:55:59 GMT -6
I’m guessing, just guessing that the qb took the advice of his private qb coach and left because they promised better college looks. It’s a guess but his qb coach does coach at the new school. He was going to be a junior. That doesn't sound like someone trying to avoid competition, or someone that doesn't have any love for the game. Although I would say I would love to have heard what the kids parents have to say if indeed the scenario you painted is true. Being lured away, and then playing WR...I wouldn't be all that happy. |
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Post by pitt1980 on Jul 13, 2018 12:24:48 GMT -6
I’m guessing, just guessing that the qb took the advice of his private qb coach and left because they promised better college looks. It’s a guess but his qb coach does coach at the new school. He was going to be a junior. That doesn't sound like someone trying to avoid competition, or someone that doesn't have any love for the game. Although I would say I would love to have heard what the kids parents have to say if indeed the scenario you painted is true. Being lured away, and then playing WR...I wouldn't be all that happy.
Yeah, that sounds like a story I would repeat to the parents of kids thinking about transferring, 'Joe Smith, transferred thinking he'd be the QB, then they turned him into WR, you think you know what sort of situation you're walking into there, but from the outside, your vantage point isn't that great ..... grass isn't always greener on the other side, its greener where you water it, you've already been watering it here for 2 years, you're watering it from scratch there, etc etc etc'
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