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Post by blb on Jul 10, 2018 6:43:01 GMT -6
Study by a professor at Northwestern's Feinberg School of Medicine shows that per capita Girls' Soccer has more traumatic brain injuries (27%) than any other sport, including Football (24%), and that girls' sports have "significantly higher proportion than boys'."
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Post by carookie on Jul 10, 2018 9:05:56 GMT -6
Well, as soon as there is a billion dollar professional women's soccer league I am sure we will here more about this; until then it probably won't get a lot of run. As most in the media/entertainment stick to the rule of 'never punching down, only punching up'.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2018 9:33:29 GMT -6
Study by a professor at Northwestern's Feinberg School of Medicine shows that per capita Girls' Soccer has more traumatic brain injuries (27%) than any other sport, including Football (24%), and that girls' sports have "significantly higher proportion than boys'."
www.footballscoop.com Coach, keep in mind what those figures mean though. The article stated that Concussions make up 27% of the injuries for girls soccer, while only 24% of all injuries in football are concussions. When you think about the differences in the sports, wouldn't it make sense for girls soccer to have a larger portion of injuries come from concussions. Concussions, ankle injuries, knee injuries...that is about it when it comes to girls soccer right? What else would be prone to injury? I think the scarier thought is that with all of the violent play in football, approximately 1/4 of all the injuries are still brain based. Also, the over 100% increase in diagnosis is shocking. Obviously this is not an increase in incidences, but in awareness. Disclaimer..I only read the article linked, and briefly skimmed the study itself. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 10, 2018 9:40:04 GMT -6
I only glanced at the study but I wonder how they define an injury.
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Post by oldman61 on Jul 10, 2018 12:32:58 GMT -6
I know in today’s world everyone is worried about not being the worst. When it comes to concussions and all major life hanging football related injuries, I’ve never compared to other sports.
Take this survey for example, football coaches running around saying Women’s soccer is worst feels like the kids that got a D on a test in class saying at least he didn’t get an F.
IMO we as coaches are the walking billboards for our sport. Just got to have a conversation with a relative over the 4th of July about how much safer the game is now!
I was able to share our own concussion numbers and explain how we’re keeping those numbers down.
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Post by wiscoach on Jul 10, 2018 12:46:16 GMT -6
I wish we could just acknowledge that there are some risks and do our best to minimize them without the threat of getting rid of football.
Humans have been congregating to watch young men beat the {censored} out of each other for thousands of years.
I personally played football because I needed an outlet for physical confrontation. I love football but it could have been brick ball for all i cared. we could have tossed a brick into a circle of 10 dudes and whoever came out of the circle with that brick wins and i would have played that like it was the greatest game in the history of the world.
The point being some young boys need "brickball" and "brickball" is going to have risks.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2018 12:49:18 GMT -6
I know in today’s world everyone is worried about not being the worst. When it comes to concussions and all major life hanging football related injuries, I’ve never compared to other sports. Take this survey for example, football coaches running around saying Women’s soccer is worst feels like the kids that got a D on a test in class saying at least he didn’t get an F. IMO we as coaches are the walking billboards for our sport. Just got to have a conversation with a relative over the 4th of July about how much safer the game is now! I was able to share our own concussion numbers and explain how we’re keeping those numbers down. Plus, as I mentioned, the data being conveyed in this study is specific. When you think for a moment, shouldn't women's soccer have a higher percentage of its injuries due to concussions? Other than ankles and knees, what is there to injury? Not many opportunities for hand, wrist, shoulder injuries. |
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Post by gccwolverine on Jul 10, 2018 15:20:41 GMT -6
Study by a professor at Northwestern's Feinberg School of Medicine shows that per capita Girls' Soccer has more traumatic brain injuries (27%) than any other sport, including Football (24%), and that girls' sports have "significantly higher proportion than boys'."
www.footballscoop.com Coach, keep in mind what those figures mean though. The article stated that Concussions make up 27% of the injuries for girls soccer, while only 24% of all injuries in football are concussions. When you think about the differences in the sports, wouldn't it make sense for girls soccer to have a larger portion of injuries come from concussions. Concussions, ankle injuries, knee injuries...that is about it when it comes to girls soccer right? What else would be prone to injury? I think the scarier thought is that with all of the violent play in football, approximately 1/4 of all the injuries are still brain based. Also, the over 100% increase in diagnosis is shocking. Obviously this is not an increase in incidences, but in awareness. Disclaimer..I only read the article linked, and briefly skimmed the study itself. You seem to understand that the increase is in awareness and diagnosis and not in incidence yet at the same time say its shocking. It's not shocking. When you are looking for something, are educated on what something is, know what it looks like, know how to find it and diagnosis it, you are more apt to find it. That's not shocking. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2018 16:29:28 GMT -6
Coach, keep in mind what those figures mean though. The article stated that Concussions make up 27% of the injuries for girls soccer, while only 24% of all injuries in football are concussions. When you think about the differences in the sports, wouldn't it make sense for girls soccer to have a larger portion of injuries come from concussions. Concussions, ankle injuries, knee injuries...that is about it when it comes to girls soccer right? What else would be prone to injury? I think the scarier thought is that with all of the violent play in football, approximately 1/4 of all the injuries are still brain based. Also, the over 100% increase in diagnosis is shocking. Obviously this is not an increase in incidences, but in awareness. Disclaimer..I only read the article linked, and briefly skimmed the study itself. You seem to understand that the increase is in awareness and diagnosis and not in incidence yet at the same time say its shocking. It's not shocking. When you are looking for something, are educated on what something is, know what it looks like, know how to find it and diagnosis it, you are more apt to find it. That's not shocking. I disagree. I am shocked by how many instances were not recognized previously. Not the fact that more are diagnosis, but the degree of difference. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 10, 2018 17:48:05 GMT -6
I wish we could just acknowledge that there are some risks and do our best to minimize them without the threat of getting rid of football. Humans have been congregating to watch young men beat the {censored} out of each other for thousands of years. I personally played football because I needed an outlet for physical confrontation. I love football but it could have been brick ball for all i cared. we could have tossed a brick into a circle of 10 dudes and whoever came out of the circle with that brick wins and i would have played that like it was the greatest game in the history of the world. The point being some young boys need "brickball" and "brickball" is going to have risks. While you may be correct, that is not the type of argument that is going to thrwart the football haters. In fact, that argument will rule on their favor. We need strategic rhetoric. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 10, 2018 18:14:44 GMT -6
24% of all injuries in football are concussions. Disclaimer..I only read the article linked, and briefly skimmed the study itself. Didn't read, but I call major BS. 24% of all injuries in football are concussions??? That can't be even remotely correct. Or is that 24% of injuries that cause someone to miss a game? I might could believe that. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 10, 2018 18:20:13 GMT -6
I thought this was common knowledge about girls soccer and I am not being facetious. Had to take a state certified class on concussions and this was presented as a fact years ago.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2018 18:36:18 GMT -6
24% of all injuries in football are concussions. Disclaimer..I only read the article linked, and briefly skimmed the study itself. Didn't read, but I call major BS. 24% of all injuries in football are concussions??? That can't be even remotely correct. Or is that 24% of injuries that cause someone to miss a game? I might could believe that. That was from the article. The study itself is probably a bit weak. Two of the authors have only obtained Bachelor's degrees and the third was just an MD. Not really well trained researchers. |
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Post by MICoach on Jul 13, 2018 6:21:42 GMT -6
I thought this was common knowledge about girls soccer and I am not being facetious. Had to take a state certified class on concussions and this was presented as a fact years ago. Obviously this is conjectural, but if my wife ever expresses concern about our kids (we don't have any yet) playing football I just point to her half dozen concussions in like 5 years of playing soccer as compared to my one from 13 years of playing football. Sure, it's cherry picking...but what better place to cherry pick statistics than disagreeing with your wife. |
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Post by klaby on Jul 25, 2018 6:18:08 GMT -6
Look I am a data driven guy, that's how I determine my manpower needs. How many officers I need on duty and where. But I also know data can be manipulated. And by nature I am just cynical. So I look at the data with a different view. Now I don't know the exact numbers, am sure they are out there. But I am guessing like 1-2 million kids play football in the USA at some level. How many cases of CTE have been linked to football, 50-100? even if it is say 1000, what is that like 1%. So 1% means we have as serious problem? How do we know that the player never fell of his bike and bruised his squash? we don't, or if he got hit in the head with bat during pick up game of baseball? What I am saying is nobody and I mean nobody in the real world freaks about 1-2%. I am not saying its not a concern and its not something we shouldn't focus on, what I am saying is follow the money.
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Post by blb on Jul 25, 2018 6:42:41 GMT -6
Speaking of data, after Junior Seau committed suicide there was an article reprinted on Slate (don't remember who wrote it or where it was first published unfortunately) that showed NFL players have a higher average life expectancy and lower suicide rate than the general population.
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Post by klaby on Jul 25, 2018 9:49:30 GMT -6
Didn't read, but I call major BS. 24% of all injuries in football are concussions??? That can't be even remotely correct. Or is that 24% of injuries that cause someone to miss a game? I might could believe that. That was from the article. The study itself is probably a bit weak. Two of the authors have only obtained Bachelor's degrees and the third was just an MD. Not really well trained researchers. 24% are brain injuries??? I use our own team, we haven't had a concussion in 2 years, 1 3 years ago. But we have lost 4-5 kids to ankle and knees. 1 to arm....I question 24% that seems very high! |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 25, 2018 16:40:56 GMT -6
That was from the article. The study itself is probably a bit weak. Two of the authors have only obtained Bachelor's degrees and the third was just an MD. Not really well trained researchers. 24% are brain injuries??? I use our own team, we haven't had a concussion in 2 years, 1 3 years ago. But we have lost 4-5 kids to ankle and knees. 1 to arm....I question 24% that seems very high! That is what I said earlier. My guess is that they are counting injuries that cause you to miss games. Still seems high for that. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 25, 2018 19:47:15 GMT -6
I wish we could just acknowledge that there are some risks and do our best to minimize them without the threat of getting rid of football. Humans have been congregating to watch young men beat the {censored} out of each other for thousands of years. I personally played football because I needed an outlet for physical confrontation. I love football but it could have been brick ball for all i cared. we could have tossed a brick into a circle of 10 dudes and whoever came out of the circle with that brick wins and i would have played that like it was the greatest game in the history of the world. The point being some young boys need "brickball" and "brickball" is going to have risks. we are a min. Of 10 yrs. SaY from anything definitive. And that is at best, but even then, it's not just studying fb players, they have study a whole range of different types of people to come to "scientific" conclusions. And to do that will take time and money I will not live to see spent. I think we can get pretty good data in less time than that, because it's been done already: the Mayo study. It's retrospective, but that's how most of these safety issues are decided. We can get larger & more diverse sample and use the methods of the Mayo study, because you can get pretty good controls that way. Of course it'll be about football played the way it was over the time in question, so the objection can always be made that trends have changed the particular dangers of the game. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 25, 2018 19:49:57 GMT -6
That is what I said earlier. My guess is that they are counting injuries that cause you to miss games. Still seems high for that. I am going to say this again, this isn't about safety. That crowd want fb gone. Because they're sadists who dislike it when other people have fun? |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 25, 2018 20:49:23 GMT -6
Kinda weird how in two days we went from "never" to "ten years."
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Post by klaby on Jul 26, 2018 7:23:15 GMT -6
I watched the documentary "head games", I will again say, follow the money..... every sport has risk, its the parents that need to weigh that risk. Coaches need to account for that risk and minimize it. But follow the money....
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 26, 2018 7:32:48 GMT -6
I watched the documentary "head games", I will again say, follow the money..... every sport has risk, its the parents that need to weigh that risk. Coaches need to account for that risk and minimize it. But follow the money.... What money? |
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Post by klaby on Jul 26, 2018 7:39:52 GMT -6
The group that is studying this got a huge pot of money from the NFL and the NCAA. watch the doc. At one point this ex-player who runs this thing gets challenged by a Doctor at a presentation and he losses his stuff. The doctor counter's his stats and he doesn't like it. The doctor calls him a fear peddler and he doesn't know how to react. This same group is now going after soccer, and just got money from them. This former I think Yale or Harvard player with nothing to his name and a Bachelor's degree now flys around in a private jet giving talks all over the country about the evils of football.....follow the money. An avg player without a DR. is now an expert on CTE and the evils of the sport that paid for his degree.....
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 26, 2018 8:08:50 GMT -6
The group that is studying this got a huge pot of money from the NFL and the NCAA. watch the doc. At one point this ex-player who runs this thing gets challenged by a Doctor at a presentation and he losses his stuff. The doctor counter's his stats and he doesn't like it. The doctor calls him a fear peddler and he doesn't know how to react. This same group is now going after soccer, and just got money from them. This former I think Yale or Harvard player with nothing to his name and a Bachelor's degree now flys around in a private jet giving talks all over the country about the evils of football.....follow the money. An avg player without a DR. is now an expert on CTE and the evils of the sport that paid for his degree..... Are you referring to Chris Nowinski (I think). The former WWE wrestling superstar who experienced concussions, got worried, and started to research/investigate on his own? Also, just for accuracy's sake, the Ivy league does not give out athletic scholarships. So football didn't pay for an ex player's degree. It very well may have helped him with admission (IVY league schools generally allow sports teams to flag "x" number of applicants in each of their pre set academic bands for admission), but it didn't pay for it. Also, just be wary of that MD pedestal. Medical doctors who do not specialize in research, generally aren't that adept at research. Is he discussing the evils of football, or is he shining light on a previously ignored risk? Are you suggesting that they are inflating the risk simply to garner grant money favor? |
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Post by klaby on Jul 26, 2018 8:55:12 GMT -6
watch the documentary and draw your own conclusion coach.....and yes I am saying they are manipulating data for profit, cant prove it , just my conclusion. Cause private jets and Armani suits are not needed to draw attention to anything....
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 26, 2018 9:03:12 GMT -6
I’m not sure you understand what grant money is and does.
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Post by klaby on Jul 26, 2018 9:06:53 GMT -6
Yea I guess working at a college and having half my department funded by grant money could confuse me....
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 26, 2018 9:44:22 GMT -6
Is it ten years or never then?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 26, 2018 10:33:28 GMT -6
So what more do we know of this shadowy canal of football-haters with a lot of money and a long-term vision? Who’s in charge? What’s the big plan? How do they benefit?
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