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Post by hsrose on Jan 16, 2007 10:37:19 GMT -6
How many have their starting HS QB play both ways? What defensive positions do they play?
Our QB next season would be a candidate for going both ways, but he is not a S/DB type, he's 6' and 215 and would probably be a DE/LB. Not sure of his speed yet so I don't know where he would go, but certainly not in the defensive backfield. We're a triple-option team so he will be running the ball as well.
In the playoffs last year we played our QB as a DB and he did fine. But he wasn't hitting each play like he would as a DE/LB.
What are your considerations when looking to play the QB both ways?
Thanks
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 16, 2007 10:41:05 GMT -6
We had the same situation this past year. Our QB was 6'2" 225lbs. and could clean 300+lbs. yet we only played him on offense. After seeing him in some defensive drills...that was a good move. Our back up QB was one of our middle linebacker and I am pulling for him to be our free safety. He will be 6'3"/6'4" 200lbs. by the time the season starts next fall.
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Jan 16, 2007 10:41:39 GMT -6
QB & DB next year. Will start both ways. Really, he has too. Nobody else could take his place.
I think one thing to consider is his age. I would be more reluctant to start a Sophomore or Junior on both sides. By the time they are a Senior I am very comfortable with them going both ways.
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Post by superpower on Jan 16, 2007 10:51:50 GMT -6
My QBs have almost always been LB or FS. I once faced a very good QB in the playoffs who also destroyed us from his DE position. He was the best kid on the field on either side of the ball.
I just don't understand the idea that a rb, te, or ol can take the punishment on both sides of the ball but a qb can't. What makes the qb so vulnerable? A rb will usually take more punishment than a qb, but we don't worry about whether the rb can play both ways.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 16, 2007 10:57:00 GMT -6
I have almost always played my QBs on defense as well. I had one who played OLB and all the others played DB either as a CB or a FS.
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Post by redandwhite on Jan 16, 2007 11:03:44 GMT -6
Whenever possible we will not play our QB on the defensive side, not because he is any more vulnerable than anyone else, but rather because of the great impact should he get injured. It does make it easier when he is a DB type kid, as most QBs are. We are more likely to use this type of athlete in a part time role - nickelback, "crunch time", etc. However, I have had a QB who played almost full time at OLB because he was just too good to not have on the field.
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Jan 16, 2007 11:17:31 GMT -6
My QBs have almost always been LB or FS. I once faced a very good QB in the playoffs who also destroyed us from his DE position. He was the best kid on the field on either side of the ball. I just don't understand the idea that a rb, te, or ol can take the punishment on both sides of the ball but a qb can't. What makes the qb so vulnerable? A rb will usually take more punishment than a qb, but we don't worry about whether the rb can play both ways. Watched a team win state this year with a QB doubling as the DE. He was a load on both sides.
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Post by donaldduck on Jan 16, 2007 11:25:08 GMT -6
We finished the season with 18 players. Our QB is almost always our best athlete. Yes, we play ours both ways. We couldn't afford not to.
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Post by champ93 on Jan 16, 2007 11:41:07 GMT -6
Ours will start at corner as he has the past 2 years. He started last year as a wing, but will move to QB this year out of the gun. The ball must be in his hands--my huge mistake this year.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 16, 2007 11:42:23 GMT -6
We played ours both ways for the 1st time ever. Threw for over 3,000 yards, rushed for 1200 and was the team leader in INT's at CB. I swear it about killed him though, if we had anyone remotely decent to play CB we wouldnt have done it.
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Post by spartancoach on Jan 16, 2007 12:44:35 GMT -6
We are lucky in that regard. We typically have between 75-100 varsity/jv players, and have never had to play aQB both ways. However, if he is really that much better than the next DB or LB, we would consider having him go both ways IF the second QB was serviceable.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Jan 16, 2007 14:24:53 GMT -6
Our QB goes both ways. We need to have all of our best athletes on the field regardless of position. I don't worry too much about playing the QB on defense regardless of where they are at. I know a number of teams that have played their QB at LB and they were damn tough linebackers. As a former QB who payed both ways, I was more worried about getting hurt on offense than on defense. You have much more control about how you get hit and where you hit on defense than on offense. On offense you are much more exposed to injury.
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 16, 2007 14:53:15 GMT -6
To me it would depend on the second QB's ability to step in and lead the team should the 1st QB be hurt. If he's the franchise, then he isn't going to be on defense. IMO this really depends on the type of offense that you run and your depth, if he's just a turn around and hand it off type guy then I'd play him on defense regardless, but if he's THE key to your offense, I'd keep him on the sidelines discussing the next series adjustments.
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Post by baggins52 on Jan 16, 2007 17:24:38 GMT -6
I played with a QB that played ILB at 165 pounds, second fastest on the team and could bench almost 300. just depends on the athlete and their maturity if he is young and gets winded on defense his throws are going to sail maybe even decisions. but an older kid can do it.
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Post by CVBears on Jan 16, 2007 22:28:56 GMT -6
I'm torn on this one. I don't think that a QB should ever play on defense. Find a way to make your defense work without him. Why take the risk of getting him injured on the other side of the ball? Does your back up QB honestly get enough reps in practice to lead your team in the best manner? But, on the other side of the coin, the best 11 play. Especially if you don't have numbers.
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Post by superpower on Jan 17, 2007 8:41:35 GMT -6
I'm torn on this one. I don't think that a QB should ever play on defense. Find a way to make your defense work without him. Why take the risk of getting him injured on the other side of the ball? Does your back up QB honestly get enough reps in practice to lead your team in the best manner? But, on the other side of the coin, the best 11 play. Especially if you don't have numbers. Do you play your starting tailback on defense? How about your starting guard or tight end? What if they get hurt? Why take that risk? Maybe I am naive, but I just can't see how it is good for the team to send the message that the QB is somehow superior to the rest of the team and we can't risk getting him hurt. I think some of the other kids sooner or later will consider the QB as soft, and who wants to follow a soft kid who can't handle contact?
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Post by lex42 on Jan 17, 2007 8:44:37 GMT -6
The problem with your argument is most teams are a little deeper at RB then at QB. Some teams install an offense built around your QB and if that guy gets hurt playing defense, you have wasted your time.
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Post by superpower on Jan 17, 2007 8:59:30 GMT -6
And what if that guy gets hurt playing offense? Have you still wasted your time?
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Post by knighter on Jan 17, 2007 9:05:31 GMT -6
If the QB is the "leader" of your team, and is one of your better athletes can you afford to not "have" to play him on defense? Remember they can't beat you if they can't score. Now in a situation where you are deep enough to have capable defenders in all positions (which in my case never happens) sitting him might be an option. Last year my QB was a starter at SS, was a returner on KO and Punt teams, and was on both the kickoff, and punt team as well as the PAT/FG team. He was our very best athlete, and I beleive in getting my best 11 on the field in all cases.
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Post by jburch on Jan 17, 2007 9:10:00 GMT -6
At my school we have to put the best 11 on the field. We average around 35 players on the team. If we are pretty good about 1/2 of the 35 can play. This year our starting QB was 6'2" and weighed 200 lbs. He was our leading tackler (played oslb) on defense and ran the option on offense. We would rest him on defense when we could or just had to. When we needed a stop he was on the field.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 17, 2007 9:12:48 GMT -6
I watched John Navarre play in HS. (Stud QB at Michigan, pro career going nowhere in Arizona).
He could have been a D1 athlete playing DE. The kid hit like a truck and was fundamentally sound.
But, my QB plays both ways. But never on any special teams, and he really only plays about 75% of the snaps on defense if that as I sub him out on occasion. It's not to bad, I get plenty of time to coach him during the game and at halftime.
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Post by newballcoach on Jan 17, 2007 9:32:00 GMT -6
It's probably a great way to prevent getting sued if he tries to tackle (ala Friday Night Lights).
It depends on the kid you have. One year coaching high school we had a converted WR/CB playing QB and he used to play CB on occasion, as well as special teams. He was a hitter and a player and we had to use him. We did have a good (but young) back-up to take his place though.
On other teams I've never had a QB athletic enough to play defence. Last season we just called with a fat kid with an arm
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Post by dhooper on Jan 17, 2007 10:26:11 GMT -6
I run the spread and I have to play my QB both ways. I hate it, I try to put my best athlete at QB try to leave him off special teams. I lost a play off game once I feel because my statring QB got hurt returning a punt. (never again) I try and hope next season my QB will only play one way.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 17, 2007 10:38:43 GMT -6
In our situation this year, we actually had our starting cornerback play QB. He is not a QB, but he is dependable and is a good athlete, and we had no one else.
You have to put the best 11 on the field at all times- regardless! I don't believe in worrying about things that are out of your control. Most injuries are out of your control. It is our job as coaches to make sure that our backup has had plenty of reps at practice and can be plugged in during a game at anytime.
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Post by superpower on Jan 17, 2007 10:42:37 GMT -6
In our situation this year, we actually had our starting cornerback play QB. He is not a QB, but he is dependable and is a good athlete, and we had no one else. You have to put the best 11 on the field at all times- regardless! I don't believe in worrying about things that are out of your control. Most injuries are out of your control. It is our job as coaches to make sure that our backup has had plenty of reps at practice and can be plugged in during a game at anytime. Well said, Coach. There is a very good chance that the QB won't get hurt playing defense and he could be on the field making a huge impact. I like your thinking.
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Post by hsrose on Jan 17, 2007 10:47:56 GMT -6
Our situation is that the likely QB next season will be a Jr., but he's young, only 15 at the start of the season. He's got a gun, broke 2 fingers/hands last season (1 LB and 1 WR).
The backup is likely to be the Sr., wrestler, baseball, starting DE last season, played RB/FB/QB as well. Issue there is that is he shorter and can't see over the line when he drops to pass. Very well built, smart, has some speed, and we can move him, etc. He doesn't want to play QB but will if we need him to. Runs the option well. So, I don't necessarily see a big drop off if we go to him, other than alterations in the passing game.
I think that our natural hesitation in having the QB play defense is the invenstment cost in getting the QB to be good. The footwork, the reads, throwing the ball, leading, etc. We spend a lot of time working with the QB to ensure that he can do everything as well as possible. To lose that by him stopping an off-tackle run is not what we want to see. It's somehow better to lose the guy making a pass or a pitch rather than a tackle.
Thanks for all the discussion on this. We won't know until we know, but I've got some new items to consider. Please, let's continue this topic.
Casey IHS Vikings
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Post by aznando on Jan 17, 2007 12:50:30 GMT -6
Our Defensive Corridnator who had been around the block a few times and had previously been the HC at the HS I worked at was dead set against our QB being on Defense. When he was the HC he had his QB playing FS and the back up was a DB, well at one point in the game they colided and knocked eachother out of the game. He then lost both QB's on one play and vowed never to have both QB's in the game at the same time from then on. I think it really depends on who your QB is, how much the offense is centered on him and what your back up is like. If your QB is your best athlete and he runs the ball all the time getting hit on Offense, I don't see a problem with him playing the defensive backfield. If you play a spread type offense or RunandShoot offense like we played where it is pretty imposible to get your back up the amount of snaps in practice they would need, I don't like him on Defense. Besides I like to be able to talk to the QB on the sideline after the series something you can't really do when he's out on the field playing defense.
Aznando
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Post by bhb on Jan 18, 2007 8:48:38 GMT -6
I say play your 11 best. The only time I would look for an alternative is if I ran an option offense- which the original poster does- and there was a significant drop off between the starter and the back up.. Sometimes it's tough to have 2 legitimate option QB's on one team, but if you do your golden..
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