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Post by morgs23 on May 31, 2018 9:04:13 GMT -6
Coaches
Took over a program two years ago and have been trying to build a relationship with the youth program. I give them open door policy, put together playbooks and drill books for them. they keep coming back and saying that they are not a feeder program for the high school team, how would some of you react and handle this?
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Post by bigmoot on May 31, 2018 9:12:25 GMT -6
If it is an organization that is not connected to your school like a rec league or travel league, then there is nothing you can do besides trying to convince them that it will help in the future.
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Post by hammer66 on May 31, 2018 9:42:17 GMT -6
Just used this in another thread. Cant make them do what they wont do. Just try to build bridges. Thats all you can control. Maybe they will see the light.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 31, 2018 9:44:47 GMT -6
From my experience...
Youth coaches love hearing themselves talk and think they're geniuses. (Yes, I'm aware a lot of coaches at other levels aren't much different.) The ones I've interacted with would feel slighted if I offered them a playbook or drill manual without asking. The HC I work for, whom they all love, turns the tables and goes out of his way to ask for their advice and coaching points, knowing damn well he doesn't need any of it from most of them and lets them ramble into his ear for hours. As a result, they think he's a great guy who's achieved success in part because of their advice and always have a good word about him when parents ask where their kids should go to HS.
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Post by morgs23 on May 31, 2018 11:03:33 GMT -6
I have been trying to build the bridge. They came to me and asked if I would put the play books together for them for each grade level.
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Post by bobgoodman on May 31, 2018 11:11:34 GMT -6
Coaches Took over a program two years ago and have been trying to build a relationship with the youth program. I give them open door policy, put together playbooks and drill books for them. they keep coming back and saying that they are not a feeder program for the high school team, how would some of you react and handle this? OK, so they're not a feeder program for the HS. But why do "they keep coming back and saying that"? What's the context of this convers'n? Is it one where you say, "You're a feeder program for the HS team"? Is it just a matter of their being afraid there were some unstated strings attached to your help? |
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Post by freezeoption on May 31, 2018 13:05:53 GMT -6
If it is school affiliated then they are a feeder program. If your the only jr high, high school in the area then they are the feeder program. There is a town that has bantam football up through 8th grade. The crazy thing is they also have a school team for jr high. The bantam coaches call up the good athletes and get them on the bantam teams. The left overs are on the school team. Back to your problem, as everyone says you can only lead a horse to water.
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Post by coachguy83 on May 31, 2018 13:08:43 GMT -6
My advice would be to put your playbooks and drill manuals on a shelf for a year or two and just build a relationship with some of the coaches. Yes some of them will think they are god's gift to coaching, but some of them are going to be genuinely good guys that love football. The good guys are going to be the ones that are going to be interested in the information that you have available. Until that time just show that you care about them by going to games when possible and even try to catch the end of practices and shoot the bull with the coaches.
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Post by **** on May 31, 2018 15:19:28 GMT -6
I wouldn’t give a flying fuk.
Make football fun for those kids. That’s all that matters at the youth level. Get those kids to believe that football is the greatest sport on earth.
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Post by mahonz on May 31, 2018 15:24:18 GMT -6
Coaches Took over a program two years ago and have been trying to build a relationship with the youth program. I give them open door policy, put together playbooks and drill books for them. they keep coming back and saying that they are not a feeder program for the high school team, how would some of you react and handle this? Maybe the previous Staff somehow burned a bridge. Maybe the Header was a Douche Bag like 50slants Header. Maybe your playbooks are too difficult to understand or to implement for a Dad with a Whistle. Does your Program win? Might be something there if not. Host some off season non systems classroom Clinics for the youth coaches and then do a few non systems summer camps for their players. Make them free and you should get a good turnout. Feed them and you should get a great turnout. Hard to say why they wont let you in. My youth Org feeds 5 HS Programs and everyone gets along very well. |
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Post by CoachUndershirt on May 31, 2018 15:29:00 GMT -6
We have a very similar situation in our town. We've reached out and they've told us they don't want anything to do with us. The kids that play on their team will play for us after 8th grade so we'll get the one's they don't run off because they're just awful people doing an awful job of coaching. I've tried to help them out before coming into my H.S. job but they just want to run plays and pretend to be Bill Belichick.
They have no idea what they're doing, they don't teach any fundamentals and they're unsafe but the parents listen to them and trust them with their kids... it's going to take someone getting hurt really bad for things to change and I dread it.
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Post by utchuckd on Jun 1, 2018 5:44:49 GMT -6
How about this: they aren't a feeder program for you. They likely were there before you got to the high school, they'll be there after you're gone. It's their league, they make the rules, they raise the money, they set their vision.
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Post by blb on Jun 1, 2018 6:03:29 GMT -6
All you can do is offer to help if they want it (playbook-drill book as you have done).
Hold a summer Youth Camp and Coaches' Clinic (if they are receptive to latter) as has been suggested.
Go to a game or two if you can.
Have a Youth Football Night at Varsity game.
Otherwise don't sweat it. By the time those kids get to Varsity you may have changed systems or not even the HC anymore.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 1, 2018 8:01:53 GMT -6
At a prior stop the youth program which was run through community ed was really receptive to guidance. They wanted help and so offered it.
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Post by coachddwebb on Jun 4, 2018 11:25:48 GMT -6
If the kids from the youth program do not have a choice and have you go to your high school they yes they are a feeder program. But if the adults do not want to say it that is fine. Just keep showing up at there events promoting your school, support they players and keep having positive interactions with the parents and players. Be sure to just let them know if they need anything football wise just ask.
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Post by Sonofahitch on Jun 6, 2018 12:17:15 GMT -6
What's the old saying? "They don't care how much you know until the know how much you care." It sounds like you're going to have to take a little more time building bridges, reaching out to them like some other guys have suggested, and then they may be more receptive.
Most of those guys will leave when their kids are too old for youth ball anyway. Just wait 'em out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 6, 2018 12:31:19 GMT -6
Coaches Took over a program two years ago and have been trying to build a relationship with the youth program. I give them open door policy, put together playbooks and drill books for them. they keep coming back and saying that they are not a feeder program for the high school team, how would some of you react and handle this? Well, ARE they a feeder program? Or are they just an organization founded to allow kids below HS age to play football in the town? |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 6, 2018 12:45:32 GMT -6
If the local D3 coach unilaterally declared that you were a feeder for him and started sending you material with the strong implication that you weren’t smart enough to run your own program and sent you playbooks with the implication that your playbook sucked and you should be running his, how would you react?
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Post by M4 on Jun 6, 2018 13:38:26 GMT -6
If the local D3 coach unilaterally declared that you were a feeder for him and started sending you material with the strong implication that you weren’t smart enough to run your own program and sent you playbooks with the implication that your playbook sucked and you should be running his, how would you react? Boom!!! |
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jun 6, 2018 13:53:33 GMT -6
If the local D3 coach unilaterally declared that you were a feeder for him and started sending you material with the strong implication that you weren’t smart enough to run your own program and sent you playbooks with the implication that your playbook sucked and you should be running his, how would you react? To be honest, if a college coach gives you drills and playbooks, and you take that as an insult to your intelligence and capability to coach, you should check that ego before it pulls you up to the bleachers. |
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Post by mdunham on Jun 6, 2018 14:02:53 GMT -6
My advice would be to put your playbooks and drill manuals on a shelf for a year or two and just build a relationship with some of the coaches. Yes some of them will think they are god's gift to coaching, but some of them are going to be genuinely good guys that love football. The good guys are going to be the ones that are going to be interested in the information that you have available. Until that time just show that you care about them by going to games when possible and even try to catch the end of practices and shoot the bull with the coaches. This. I think it's important to show you're invested in them as well. Clinics (offseason), showing up to practices/games. Maybe get them involved in season with a youth night at a game. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 6, 2018 14:10:13 GMT -6
If the local D3 coach unilaterally declared that you were a feeder for him and started sending you material with the strong implication that you weren’t smart enough to run your own program and sent you playbooks with the implication that your playbook sucked and you should be running his, how would you react? To be honest, if a college coach gives you drills and playbooks, and you take that as an insult to your intelligence and capability to coach, you should check that ego before it pulls you up to the bleachers. Don't be so quick to put "college coaches" on a pedestal. That said, the original post was kind of vague on that point. Were these things ASKED for? Or were they given in a manner of "here you go, you clearly don't know what you are doing...." |
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jun 6, 2018 14:18:14 GMT -6
To be honest, if a college coach gives you drills and playbooks, and you take that as an insult to your intelligence and capability to coach, you should check that ego before it pulls you up to the bleachers. Don't be so quick to put "college coaches" on a pedestal. That said, the original post was kind of vague on that point. Were these things ASKED for? Or were they given in a manner of "here you go, you clearly don't know what you are doing...." Well, not putting on a pedestal, but they usually made it there for a reason, and usually have more to study the game than I do. I would gladly take their info, might not use it, might borrow one or two things. I just believe that not taking info from anyone and feeling insulted for them giving you free resources is a bad sign. I will also be the first one to say that I have to fight my own ego everyday, because I believe sometimes that I am the Lord's gift to the world, even though I most likely aren't. |
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Post by 33coach on Jun 6, 2018 14:33:57 GMT -6
Coaches Took over a program two years ago and have been trying to build a relationship with the youth program. I give them open door policy, put together playbooks and drill books for them. they keep coming back and saying that they are not a feeder program for the high school team, how would some of you react and handle this? well ive been on both sides of this issue and my reaction is always the same. 1) if its not 100% in their bylaws that you own them.... then its true, they are not beholden to you in any way. 2) all you should be concerned about is are the kids being taught to: block, tackle, and love the game. if you really think that the youth program running your stuff will help, you are kidding yourself. hell most kids cant remember between JV and Varsity.... you have 4 years to install your system... most youth coaches have 3 months with any given team.. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 6, 2018 14:39:06 GMT -6
Don't be so quick to put "college coaches" on a pedestal. That said, the original post was kind of vague on that point. Were these things ASKED for? Or were they given in a manner of "here you go, you clearly don't know what you are doing...." Well, not putting on a pedestal, but they usually made it there for a reason, and usually have more to study the game than I do. I would gladly take their info, might not use it, might borrow one or two things. I just believe that not taking info from anyone and feeling insulted for them giving you free resources is a bad sign. I will also be the first one to say that I have to fight my own ego everyday, because I believe sometimes that I am the Lord's gift to the world, even though I most likely aren't. Do you take unsolicited advice in all walks of life? That is the point. If the OP came to the youth program (which may or not have any affiliation to the HS team..we don't know) and said "here is my playbook and here are drills.. " just expecting them to follow, well, yeah that might be a bit presumptuous. |
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jun 6, 2018 15:07:19 GMT -6
Well, not putting on a pedestal, but they usually made it there for a reason, and usually have more to study the game than I do. I would gladly take their info, might not use it, might borrow one or two things. I just believe that not taking info from anyone and feeling insulted for them giving you free resources is a bad sign. I will also be the first one to say that I have to fight my own ego everyday, because I believe sometimes that I am the Lord's gift to the world, even though I most likely aren't. Do you take unsolicited advice in all walks of life? That is the point. If the OP came to the youth program (which may or not have any affiliation to the HS team..we don't know) and said "here is my playbook and here are drills.. " just expecting them to follow, well, yeah that might be a bit presumptuous. You got me there, because I have not gotten far enough with handling my ego to take unsolicited advice from a fellow successful professional outside of football. One day though, one day... |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 6, 2018 16:39:27 GMT -6
Well my point wasn’t that the coaching at one level makes one inherently better. You’re all invited to call up Dave Cisar and inform him that he’s a total slapdick because he’s a youth coach. But the presumption that this program is beholden to an unrelated program is grossly out of line.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jun 6, 2018 17:13:04 GMT -6
Well my point wasn’t that the coaching at one level makes one inherently better. You’re all invited to call up Dave Cisar and inform him that he’s a total slapdick because he’s a youth coach. But the presumption that this program is beholden to an unrelated program is grossly out of line. Absolutely, the best coach I have ever met does not even get paid to coach. What I mean that it is IMO not a good idea to say no thanks to free football knowledge. If a youth coach handed me a book with drills they use and their playbook I would look through for: simplifying my own terminology, easy but effective drills, different ways to look at a play than I do, etc. Free stuff is the best stuff With this said, everyone willing to would be more than welcome to share this kind of information with me whenever! |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 6, 2018 17:32:21 GMT -6
Well my point wasn’t that the coaching at one level makes one inherently better. You’re all invited to call up Dave Cisar and inform him that he’s a total slapdick because he’s a youth coach. But the presumption that this program is beholden to an unrelated program is grossly out of line. Absolutely, the best coach I have ever met does not even get paid to coach. What I mean that it is IMO not a good idea to say no thanks to free football knowledge. If a youth coach handed me a book with drills they use and their playbook I would look through for: simplifying my own terminology, easy but effective drills, different ways to look at a play than I do, etc. Free stuff is the best stuff With this said, everyone willing to would be more than welcome to share this kind of information with me whenever! I think the implied "why aren't you using these, you should use these" when talking about said playbook and drill sheet is the difference here. |
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jun 6, 2018 17:55:19 GMT -6
Absolutely, the best coach I have ever met does not even get paid to coach. What I mean that it is IMO not a good idea to say no thanks to free football knowledge. If a youth coach handed me a book with drills they use and their playbook I would look through for: simplifying my own terminology, easy but effective drills, different ways to look at a play than I do, etc. Free stuff is the best stuff With this said, everyone willing to would be more than welcome to share this kind of information with me whenever! I think the implied "why aren't you using these, you should use these" when talking about said playbook and drill sheet is the difference here. Well, we don't know if that was the whole convo, and even if someone sent it that way to me I would happily accept. I believe that if it takes something as small as someone, who coaches at a higher level (not always better, but at least in the same ballpark if they're coordinator or higher), sending you a playbook and drills to be an insult you must be exhausting in the long run. |
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