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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2018 20:16:49 GMT -6
All starting spots should be up for grabs each week. The reality of the situation is that generally the talent disparity is such that changes aren't frequent, particularly at the HS and below levels. When you have programs with that kind of competition at various positions, you have the make up of a potential championship team.
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Post by chi5hi on May 28, 2018 4:34:38 GMT -6
I have surely considered mass executions at dawn. However sometimes, rather than make a rash decision, you just have to sleep on it. Things look better after a night's sleep.
As for myself, I wouldn't do it.
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Post by CS on May 28, 2018 6:01:32 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. It wouldn’t be worth it. The kids know who the best are and that it wouldn’t last even if you did do it. On an individual basis I think that it can work but not as a mass exodus |
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Post by newt21 on May 28, 2018 6:07:54 GMT -6
We have daily competition for starting spots, I have reminded them that no position is safe based on film from the previous game though. Works sometimes, others not
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Post by planck on May 28, 2018 7:19:23 GMT -6
The worst feeling is when you don't have death and your starters loaf. Then they wonder why school X consistently while their asses at game time.
But if the guys know nobody can pass them in athleticism, opening the spots isn't gonna change that. Gotta find what makes each kid tick and figure out how to motivate them (easier said than done).
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Post by center on May 28, 2018 7:30:37 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. As a coach it kind of admits to yourself that you did a lousy job of getting your team ready in the first place. |
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Post by aceback76 on May 28, 2018 8:19:18 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. We announce all starting spots are open ALL of the time if someone steps up & beats someone else OUT (WIN OR LOSE)!!! We don't WAIT for a "bad effort" to make that known. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 28, 2018 8:30:38 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. We announce all starting spots are open ALL of the time if someone steps up & beats someone else OUT (WIN OR LOSE)!!! We don't WAIT for a "bad effort" to make that known. As I mentioned earlier, this is often a trait of a high quality program. The culture of competition. M4 -- I would caution you however that if this isn't the current mindset of your program, AND if the announcement would be fairly disingenuous (meaning the jobs wouldn't really be at risk due to wide disparities in talent) making such an announcement could be counter productive. |
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Post by aceback76 on May 28, 2018 8:38:58 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. Man, they said we better, accentuate the positive Eliminate the negative Latch on to the affirmative Don't mess with Mister In-Between |
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Post by fantom on May 28, 2018 10:24:22 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. As a practical matter how would you do that? How do you give enough reps for all of the backups to have a real chance of competing for a job? We're not talking about training camp or spring ball. This is a game week. |
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Post by silkyice on May 28, 2018 14:17:52 GMT -6
Isn't every spot always open?
The announcing every spot is open just really means I have had it, and I am pissed off, and instead of teaching or correcting, I am benching your ass until I am no longer pissed off. LOL
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Post by coachd5085 on May 28, 2018 14:48:01 GMT -6
Isn't every spot always open? The announcing every spot is open just really means I have had it, and I am pissed off, and instead of teaching or correcting, I am benching your ass until I am no longer pissed off. LOL Surprisingly enough, probably not. At least not in a way that there is a culture of competition. That lack of competitive mindset combined with the entitlement mentality everyone complains about probably leads to a feeling of almost "social promotion" to starting spots in bad programs. |
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Post by silkyice on May 28, 2018 15:04:48 GMT -6
Isn't every spot always open? The announcing every spot is open just really means I have had it, and I am pissed off, and instead of teaching or correcting, I am benching your ass until I am no longer pissed off. LOL Surprisingly enough, probably not. At least not in a way that there is a culture of competition. That lack of competitive mindset combined with the entitlement mentality everyone complains about probably leads to a feeling of almost "social promotion" to starting spots in bad programs. WOW. That is crazy. My best players are more in danger of getting an earful from me than anyone. I'll sit them also. Not for long, but they don't know that!! |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 28, 2018 15:17:04 GMT -6
Surprisingly enough, probably not. At least not in a way that there is a culture of competition. That lack of competitive mindset combined with the entitlement mentality everyone complains about probably leads to a feeling of almost "social promotion" to starting spots in bad programs. WOW. That is crazy. My best players are more in danger of getting an earful from me than anyone. I'll sit them also. Not for long, but they don't know that!! And you have a high quality upper tier program correct? I think coaches would be shocked at how many of their wins came against programs that just don't "get it". |
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Post by groundchuck on May 28, 2018 17:24:45 GMT -6
I have never announced that this week all spots are up for grabs. We make it known from day one all spots are up for grabs. Depending on what size school you are coaching at this may or may not be 100% true.
I would not do the whole mass executions at dawn thing. I just don't think it is productive. I think the culture has to be established that lack of effort or execution gets you fired from that position and somebody else gets chance.
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Post by s73 on May 28, 2018 17:27:44 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. I've always felt like starting spots should always be under scrutiny and evaluation. Otherwise you're telling the rest of the team that once the line up is set in August they have no chance for the next 3 months. JMO. |
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Post by ahall005 on May 28, 2018 19:16:40 GMT -6
We had 25 guys sign up to play football 9-12 so if we were to say that all starting spots are open then it would pretty much be an empty threat. Now we have said something like we will find someone who can set the edge before next week or we will find someone who can down block.
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Post by famar on May 28, 2018 20:27:58 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. I think it's one of those things that sounds great in theory (the motivational aspect) but isn't always great when applied. As others have alluded to, in programs that don't have much depth, or as is the case with a lot of high schools where the drop off in quality from starter to backup is significant, it probably amounts to an empty threat. And while we all at times bemoan the stupidity of teenagers, they are quick to pick up on those empty threats. I've been on staffs where this tactic has been tried, and the end result was either no changes or one or two kids who were marginal starters at best ended up getting replaced. As a sophomore in high school, after our team lost a sloppy effort to fall to 2-3, we had one of those "all starting spots are being reevaluated" speeches and the result was that I was inserted in to the starting lineup. I remember my coach saying "We're going to try famar at wideout, he can't possibly be any worse than the other two guys who are playing there." |
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Post by wingtol on May 29, 2018 7:50:49 GMT -6
I would think in HS at the vast majority of schools this is an empty threat as many have said. We as coaches reserve the right to replace anyone at any time, most of the time we have no one to replace someone with so there's that...
If I told the OL that I am sure they would just laugh because they know from practice every day who the top dogs are, maybe skill guys are different since they aren't necessarily physically beating on each other day in day out. They figure it out real quick in the trenches, every rb/wr/qb from the A's to the Z's think they should be getting the ball or could do a better job than the guy in front of them.
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Post by jrk5150 on May 29, 2018 9:34:21 GMT -6
Yeah, what's that even mean in that context? So what you're saying is ordinarily all spots aren't open? That's not the right message. Especially when all spots aren't open even when you say they are. I get what you're trying to do, and it certainly could be received how it was intended, but it could kind of blow up in your face too.
If you have to vent, I'd say something more like "if this is the effort and focus we're going to get, we'll have to re-evaluate where some guys are playing, and move guys into the lineup who will give us that effort and focus". And then maybe make an example of a couple of dogs.
I played for a bad D2 basketball team, and our coach did that once or twice over my 4 years, where he made starting decisions mid-season based on effort vs. talent. These kids could still walk and chew gum, but they weren't scholarship basketball players, definitely weren't D2 starter caliber talent-wise, but they worked their asses off and contributed. It served its purpose, and elevated everyone's play. We still sucked, but a little less than we did before that...
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Post by fantom on May 29, 2018 9:41:34 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. A question just came to me: Do you watch the game film as a team? |
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Post by M4 on May 29, 2018 10:13:54 GMT -6
Has anyone ever watched film, seen poor effort or players doing things contrary to coaching and made an announcement that all starting spots were back up for grabs that week - and then made those changes? This could be heat of the moment or pre-determined. A question just came to me: Do you watch the game film as a team? Of course we do. Anyways, great feed back boys, I appreciate it. I got the answers I was looking for. I'm off to read more about RPO's now. Thanks again everyone. |
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Post by fantom on May 29, 2018 10:16:50 GMT -6
A question just came to me: Do you watch the game film as a team? Of course we do. Anyways, great feed back boys, I appreciate it. I got the answers I was looking for. I'm off to read more about RPO's now. Thanks again everyone. OK. Don't say "Of course", though. I was shocked to see how many coaches on this board don't. |
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Post by dytmook on May 29, 2018 10:53:00 GMT -6
Pretty sure all spots are open all the time. You want a spot, take it. That being said I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water just yet.
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Post by newhope on May 29, 2018 11:06:09 GMT -6
You can always lose your spot. You must always be prepared to step up and replace someone. You don't do your job, we're going to find someone who can. You don't play hard, we can certainly find someone who will. That should be on-going.
Guys who don't give effort get you beat. You might as well get beat with lesser talent that gives an effort.
Blanket announcements don't do much good. If you have an entire team that isn't playing hard, you've got issues that aren't going to be fixed as easily as announcing all jobs are open. If it's the entire team, who will replace them?
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