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Post by coachlaseak on May 16, 2018 7:59:23 GMT -6
For the smaller programs, those who cannot go 2 platoon but focus on offense for part of the practice then defense, how do you make practice competitive?
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Post by JoshC on May 16, 2018 8:15:59 GMT -6
We do it two different ways. We start practice with a 5-8 minute competition drill to set the tempo for Indy and Inside Run / Pass Skelly. Then we'll have 1 competitive team session with best vs best that. We usually have about 8 guys that get significant time both ways, so we'll split those kids and they'll do 8 plays of offense and 8 plays of defense.
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Post by coachlaseak on May 16, 2018 8:22:40 GMT -6
We do it two different ways. We start practice with a 5-8 minute competition drill to set the tempo for Indy and Inside Run / Pass Skelly. Then we'll have 1 competitive team session with best vs best that. We usually have about 8 guys that get significant time both ways, so we'll split those kids and they'll do 8 plays of offense and 8 plays of defense. I was wondering if you tried using competition in other situations rather than best vs best. |
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Post by JoshC on May 16, 2018 8:28:01 GMT -6
We do it two different ways. We start practice with a 5-8 minute competition drill to set the tempo for Indy and Inside Run / Pass Skelly. Then we'll have 1 competitive team session with best vs best that. We usually have about 8 guys that get significant time both ways, so we'll split those kids and they'll do 8 plays of offense and 8 plays of defense. I was wondering if you tried using competition in other situations rather than best vs best. That's where we found our competition drills to be effective. For example: O-Line will work on double team to backer, while the D-Line will try to defeat the double team. Losers have up-downs or pushups, which is motivation enough for them to give max effort and we want them to learn to play to win. While I know its not so much competition in a team setting, but we change them everyday/week to fit what we are teaching that week. |
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Post by bluboy on May 16, 2018 8:38:59 GMT -6
We have a best on best 7on7 period(usually Tuesday). Best offensive guys vs best of rest, then best defensive guys vs best of rest. It's only about 6 plays for each side, then flip. Loser has up-downs or sidelines. Kids love it.
During inside run period (offense) the best linemen go against the best of the rest. Offense has 3 downs to get 12 yards. If they don't make it, they do a sideline. If offense does make it, scout team does a sideline.
In individual drills we pit our best players against each other, or pit our best players vs the first back-up's. We spend time organizing who will go against whom in all drills, so that we get good competition.
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Post by JoshC on May 16, 2018 9:02:18 GMT -6
We have a best on best 7on7 period(usually Tuesday). Best offensive guys vs best of rest, then best defensive guys vs best of rest. It's only about 6 plays for each side, then flip. Loser has up-downs or sidelines. Kids love it. During inside run period (offense) the best linemen go against the best of the rest. Offense has 3 downs to get 12 yards. If they don't make it, they do a sideline. If offense does make it, scout team does a sideline. In individual drills we pit our best players against each other, or pit our best players vs the first back-up's. We spend time organizing who will go against whom in all drills, so that we get good competition. Organizing each drill prior to practice has proven to be effective for us as well. Isn't the scout team typically the best of the rest for most teams? How do you make that Inside Run period or 7 on 7 period any different than a normal team session? |
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Post by StraightFlexin on May 16, 2018 9:06:55 GMT -6
A lot of great ideas so far. We always started practice with a competitive call out drill. Usually a sumo ring or tire tug. At times to really get a good defensive scout look, we would put 8-10 mins on the clock. Offense would have to score (Blank) # of times (full field) within that time. If the offense met the challenge, they would not have to condition. If they scout defense stopped them, they got out of 2 days of conditioning. Great conditioning exercise for a tempo offense.
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Post by bluboy on May 16, 2018 9:49:36 GMT -6
We have O/D starters who play scout, but we don't want to beat them up. In our team sessions, we focus on that side of the ball. We will start with best of rest but will alternate in scout players who are the first back-up's. If we simply want a "look", we will keep the starting O/D and totally use other guys.
We make a big deal to the scout team guys(who are not starters) that this is their team period; this is a time for them to get noticed. We also coach-up the scout team. The defensive guys who coach the scout teams coach them as if they are the starters preparing for the championship game.
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Post by ryanhath on May 16, 2018 11:21:14 GMT -6
I always like dividing the teams as evenly as possible. No matter what talent level you have as soon as one team thinks of them as "scout" their play goes down. If you are really limited on numbers considering going half line, or even 9 on 7 (or 8) on defense. 7v7 pass skell works as stated above. Have both teams run your offense and your defense, this is not scout or specific game prep (that is seperate).
Especially as the season goes on you might want to limit this type of contact but it is a good opportunity to work on situational football. For example the offense is down 4, 60 yards to go with 1:30 left etc. If the offense scores on the first play they "win" and the period is over. Build competition.
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Post by bigmoot on May 16, 2018 12:01:45 GMT -6
We have O/D starters who play scout, but we don't want to beat them up. In our team sessions, we focus on that side of the ball. We will start with best of rest but will alternate in scout players who are the first back-up's. If we simply want a "look", we will keep the starting O/D and totally use other guys. We make a big deal to the scout team guys(who are not starters) that this is their team period; this is a time for them to get noticed. We also coach-up the scout team. The defensive guys who coach the scout teams coach them as if they are the starters preparing for the championship game. This...many places ive been, the coaches check out during scout team. |
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Post by JoshC on May 16, 2018 12:36:37 GMT -6
We have O/D starters who play scout, but we don't want to beat them up. In our team sessions, we focus on that side of the ball. We will start with best of rest but will alternate in scout players who are the first back-up's. If we simply want a "look", we will keep the starting O/D and totally use other guys. We make a big deal to the scout team guys(who are not starters) that this is their team period; this is a time for them to get noticed. We also coach-up the scout team. The defensive guys who coach the scout teams coach them as if they are the starters preparing for the championship game. This...many places ive been, the coaches check out during scout team. Yeah, this was one of the criticisms our HC gave us as a staff. Too much BSing among staff and not enough coaching and developing the younger guys. Kids notice when coaches are checked out on the field, and they, a) aren't getting coached up and developed properly, or b) check out themselves, therefore giving the varsity guys less of a look. Hell, if coaches are checked out, you can't blame the scout team guys for checking out as well. All position coaches need to lead by example. This is one of the easiest ways to lead. |
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Post by veerman on May 24, 2018 21:53:53 GMT -6
We split up our guys where half starters are on each team. We want them competing against each other cause the depth is not very deep. IMO if your scout talent is a huge drop off then I don't care how much you coach up the scout kids your not going to get a look. This keeps all periods competitive.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 24, 2018 21:58:30 GMT -6
Find a period of practice to mix and match your best players. Change the personnel daily and run a 10 play competition moving the ball against your own stuff.
I think this creates greater competition and more unity than 2 platoon teams. I remember constantly having fights between offense and defense in college.
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Post by groundchuck on May 25, 2018 5:34:18 GMT -6
Half line can sometimes make things more competitive.
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Post by blb on May 25, 2018 5:50:13 GMT -6
I'll be the Devil's Advocate.
During Pre-Season we wanted kids competing against themselves to be best players they could be, and against each other for starting jobs-PT.
During the season we wanted fast-moving, intense, enthusiastic practices. But we were never on our schedule. The focus was on preparing for Friday night. I didn't want to "leave the game on the practice field." So we did not emphasize "competition" in terms of winners vs. losers. You can only reach an emotional peak so many times in a long season and we wanted it to be on Fridays, not Tuesdays or Wednesdays.
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Post by bluboy on May 25, 2018 6:06:34 GMT -6
IMHO you don't have to beat-up your kids to make practice competitive. One of the things we do is have a winner and loser in everything we do. Losers have to do push-up' or up-downs; sometimes we let the winners decide what the losers have to do.
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Post by silkyice on May 25, 2018 7:16:27 GMT -6
I'll be the Devil's Advocate. During Pre-Season we wanted kids competing against themselves to be best players they could be, and against each other for starting jobs-PT. During the season we wanted fast-moving, intense, enthusiastic practices. But we were never on our schedule. The focus was on preparing for Friday night. I didn't want to "leave the game on the practice field." So we did not emphasize "competition" in terms of winners vs. losers. You can only reach an emotional peak so many times in a long season and we wanted it to be on Fridays, not Tuesdays or Wednesdays. Spot on. I was going to respond earlier with something similar, but this is better than what I would have said. Only thing I will add, the older I get as coach, the more game week practice has become a rehersal. |
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