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Post by hsrose on Jul 9, 2007 13:47:32 GMT -6
Our nice little cadre of coaches is having a couple of pains recently. We had 2 guys, very experienced, lined up to be the line coaches. 1 became a school VP and his time is now very limited, and the other's work has changed and it is not likely that he will be able to do more than help out. Had a similar problem last season where we had a couple of technical coaches, but no "Daddy" for the lines and it showed - inconsistent play, attitude, training, etc. I feel that they need a consistent coach with them, their “daddy” to ensure that things are consistent with them.
The only real candidate for the daddy right now is me, the OC (new position this season). The problem is that I have no real experience in the OL, other than 3 years of youth ball. There are still the technical coaches with us so I wouldn't have to coach everything.
So the question is "Is it better to have an inexperienced coach all the time or repeat what we've done (group/committee) and likely be inconsistent?"
Thanks
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 9, 2007 13:58:22 GMT -6
they absolutely need a consistant face and consistant approach. too many with their hand in it will just confuse the kids.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 9, 2007 13:58:29 GMT -6
Coach I am in a similar place, small school only 5 coaches. The guy who was going to be the Oline may not be able to make it everyday. So I made a choice. I would coach my own O-Line. I know the type of blocks we need to be successful and it is after all my offense. They need everyday attention. Put together what type of blocks you need most for your offense and what drills accomplish them and dive in head first as the O-Line coach.
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Post by kdcoach on Jul 9, 2007 14:01:51 GMT -6
IMO more than any other postition the Oline needs a "daddy". They have to gel, work together and be on the same page more than any others. You might argure that the secondary is the same way for coverages, but I think in space if they are athletic enough you can make mistakes as a unit and still recover. If you are on the oline and you make mistakes or aren't on the same page then the play doesn't happen. After QB I think playing on the oline is the hardest thing to do on a football field. And because they don't get a lot of glory they need a "daddy" to help them understand how important they are. On my team I would venture to say that my oline kids are closer to their position coach than any other. JMO.
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Post by phantom on Jul 9, 2007 14:02:21 GMT -6
There definitely needs to be a fulltime coach for the OL (he could split time and also coach a defnsive position if you don't platoon). I've heard years ago that your most experienced coaches should coach OL and DBs.
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Post by khalfie on Jul 9, 2007 14:06:51 GMT -6
Our nice little cadre of coaches is having a couple of pains recently. We had 2 guys, very experienced, lined up to be the line coaches. 1 became a school VP and his time is now very limited, and the other's work has changed and it is not likely that he will be able to do more than help out. Had a similar problem last season where we had a couple of technical coaches, but no "Daddy" for the lines and it showed - inconsistent play, attitude, training, etc. I feel that they need a consistent coach with them, their “daddy” to ensure that things are consistent with them. The only real candidate for the daddy right now is me, the OC (new position this season). The problem is that I have no real experience in the OL, other than 3 years of youth ball. There are still the technical coaches with us so I wouldn't have to coach everything. So the question is "Is it better to have an inexperienced coach all the time or repeat what we've done (group/committee) and likely be inconsistent?" Thanks No... no... repeat what you've always done and likely be inconsistent. That's the answer...  Too easy IHSrose... too easy. |
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Post by gamedog on Jul 9, 2007 14:39:51 GMT -6
Just remember this....without the line it won't matter what, or who, you run behind them.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 9, 2007 15:18:05 GMT -6
agree with what everyone is saying, you gotta have the same guy out there, so there no hearing 2 different things from 2 different people, you need one voice guiding them so they can play as one unit
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Post by cc on Jul 9, 2007 17:30:42 GMT -6
I think its obvious the preferred situation is to have an O.Line coach. Maybe the question is better posed as "what do you do if you don't have a fulltime experienced O.Line coach?" ...
We had this situation last year. As the OC I coached the O.line. One way around it for us was that we had a university O.Line coach work with the O.Line 7 am once a week before school every tuesday. So they got one hour of O.Line drills with him and me. Then when I had the O.Line it was more of implementing those fundamentals we worked on in schemes and with the RB's...
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Post by wildcat on Jul 9, 2007 18:10:03 GMT -6
Just remember this....without the line it won't matter what, or who, you run behind them. Bingo. gamedog hit the nail on the head! Unless you are a 5-wide shotgun team that plans on throwing the ball within 2.5 seconds of the snap 55 times a game, the OL are the heart and soul of the offense and they need their own coach. |
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Post by wildcat on Jul 9, 2007 18:13:23 GMT -6
I think its obvious the preferred situation is to have an O.Line coach. Maybe the question is better posed as "what do you do if you don't have a fulltime experienced O.Line coach?" ... We had this situation last year. As the OC I coached the O.line. One way around it for us was that we had a university O.Line coach work with the O.Line 7 am once a week before school every tuesday. So they got one hour of O.Line drills with him and me. Then when I had the O.Line it was more of implementing those fundamentals we worked on in schemes and with the RB's... Nothing wrong with that...nothing says that the OL coach has to be a former o-linemen...the key is just finding someone who can speak to those kids on their level...a coach who knows how to make being a hog special and getting those kids to believe that they truly are the foundation of the offense. In fact, one of the BEST OL coaches I have ever visited with was a DB in college. The guy knew how to coach and knew how to make those linemen feel special. |
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Post by hsrose on Jul 10, 2007 8:02:38 GMT -6
so the situation as of this morning is that the planned Daddy is interviewing for a new job (medical/ER tech/dresses in scrubs) position that would let him coach. Has his 2nd interview this afternoon. If that goes well he is the Daddy. If not, then I am the Daddy.
The main thing I can offer is consistency and the same face each day. I can learn the OL stuff and I already know the blocks we need. I would welcome the challenge and the opportunity to work with these young men, but he would be a much better alternative than me. My overall responsibility is to make sure all areas are finely tuned. He can do a better job with the OL than I can so I hope this works out today.
Thanks for the input on this, I really appreciate it.
Casey
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Post by wingman on Jul 10, 2007 10:05:56 GMT -6
IMO Nothing is more important then the oline coach. It's the toughest position to play. If you don't think so, have your dl turn around and try to pass block. I tried working with the backs/QB my first year as HC because I had a pretty competent guy with oline. Went 5-6. Realized that nothing was more important and I had better do oline myself and went 9-4,12-2, and 9-2. I think key to offense is being assignment perfect and with defenses moving around, getting a hat on a hat takes a ton of time and work. If your aren't an expert, you'll learn. Grand schemes mean nothing if you are getting unblocked guys hitting you in the backfield. Lastly, after 31 years of coaching, oline almost always has fewest big egos, headcases etc.
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Post by coachturley on Jul 10, 2007 19:36:19 GMT -6
Just want to second what pretty much everyone else is saying. I played O-Line and that is all I have coached. Even when I became an OC, I was still the O-Line coach. Had problems early on with me being in the box and the line being down on the field. DC referred to them as a bunch of lost puppies so I eventually came down and stayed down. Being a head coach, this will be the first time ever not being the o-line coach. But I also don't have a position, so you can bet I will be around those guys plenty.
Coach T
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Post by bighit65 on Jul 13, 2007 19:27:13 GMT -6
It starts up front! Period.
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