benloe
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Post by benloe on May 4, 2018 3:13:39 GMT -6
Scenario:
The hype guy on staff is getting the players pumped before the game. Do you think this is useful or not? I find that it often takes us a while to settle down. Consequently, we've been prone to giving up long kick-off returns to start the game and so on.
My hypothesis claims that the players are "psycked" enough without any additional rah-rah, and that we'd be better off systematically running through last minute reminders from the game plan?
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Post by groundchuck on May 4, 2018 4:54:37 GMT -6
To each his own. In my experience some players need it. Some guys don't. Some staffs also just a philosophy of being quiet and everyone just doing their jobs. Other staffs/programs take a different philosophy.
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Post by benloe on May 4, 2018 4:58:12 GMT -6
To each his own. In my experience some players need it. Some guys don't. Some staffs also just a philosophy of being quiet and everyone just doing their jobs. Other staffs/programs take a different philosophy. Do you have any advice on achieving some sort of middle ground? How would that play out? |
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Post by CS on May 4, 2018 5:00:56 GMT -6
Scenario: The hype guy on staff is getting the players pumped before the game. Do you think this is useful or not? I find that it often takes us a while to settle down. Consequently, we've been prone to giving up long kick-off returns to start the game and so on. My hypothesis claims that the players are "psycked" enough without any additional rah-rah, and that we'd be better off systematically running through last minute reminders from the game plan? First thought was that you are trying to place blame on why you give up kick returns. Second thought was if you are prone to giving up kick returns why are you kicking it deep to their guy? |
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Post by benloe on May 4, 2018 5:26:47 GMT -6
Scenario: The hype guy on staff is getting the players pumped before the game. Do you think this is useful or not? I find that it often takes us a while to settle down. Consequently, we've been prone to giving up long kick-off returns to start the game and so on. My hypothesis claims that the players are "psycked" enough without any additional rah-rah, and that we'd be better off systematically running through last minute reminders from the game plan? First thought was that you are trying to place blame on why you give up kick returns. Second thought was if you are prone to giving up kick returns why are you kicking it deep to their guy? Oh, I'm sure we as many others should spend more time on special teams, and we have this year. It remains to be seen how that works out, but we don't struggle with kick-offs on a general basis - we struggle with kick-offs at the beginning of games. When that is said. I asked my specific question for a reason. I'm looking for advice to a specific issue, so I would prefer if you told me something useful instead. If this is not something you know a whole lot about, I'd rather hear from coaches that have some insight into the psychology behind this. Let's make each other better coaches, yeah? |
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Post by Defcord on May 4, 2018 5:37:32 GMT -6
I think each kid is a little different and that you have to kind of let them be themselves. Don't try to pump up the relaxer, don't try to relax the pumped up guy.
I have noticed at times there are guys that are kind of faking the emotion. They don't practice pumped up all week then they get to the game and want to make an ultimate warrior style entrance in pregame. It might be more of a show than a personality. It bothers me in general when kids treat a game like a huge spectacle relative to practice. Obviously, Friday nights are special in relation to the week, but I think the closer you can get the two to each other the more consistent a team will play.
That being said, I think it's a lost cause to try to predict pregame emotion and the effect it has on the actual outcome of the game. I have seen every combination of good and good, bad and bad, good and bad, bad and good when it comes to what happened in pregame and what actually happened in the game.
You got all week to coach em up. On Friday night you gotta kick em out of the nest and see if they can fly.
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Post by CS on May 4, 2018 6:00:16 GMT -6
First thought was that you are trying to place blame on why you give up kick returns. Second thought was if you are prone to giving up kick returns why are you kicking it deep to their guy? Oh, I'm sure we as many others should spend more time on special teams, and we have this year. It remains to be seen how that works out, but we don't struggle with kick-offs on a general basis - we struggle with kick-offs at the beginning of games. When that is said. I asked my specific question for a reason. I'm looking for advice to a specific issue, so I would prefer if you told me something useful instead. If this is not something you know a whole lot about, I'd rather hear from coaches that have some insight into the psychology behind this. Let's make each other better coaches, yeah? Ok. I think hype has a purpose at times but if the kids are lathered up on their own there is a problem. Do I think that is the reason you give up kick returns? No. Bottom line is there is absolutely no right answer to this so if it's your team and you don't like it make the guy stop. If it's not your team then maybe the HC likes it and it will stay. Either way I still don't understand why you are kicking it deep if you are giving up returns on the reg |
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Post by s73 on May 4, 2018 6:40:20 GMT -6
Scenario: The hype guy on staff is getting the players pumped before the game. Do you think this is useful or not? I find that it often takes us a while to settle down. Consequently, we've been prone to giving up long kick-off returns to start the game and so on. My hypothesis claims that the players are "psycked" enough without any additional rah-rah, and that we'd be better off systematically running through last minute reminders from the game plan? When I was younger, I felt it was useful. As I get older, I have realized that after the 1st play, hit etc, nobody is really thinking about the pre-game speech anymore. Everyone settles and does their jobs. So no, I would say not so much. JMO. |
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Post by PSS on May 4, 2018 7:18:16 GMT -6
To each his own. In my experience some players need it. Some guys don't. Some staffs also just a philosophy of being quiet and everyone just doing their jobs. Other staffs/programs take a different philosophy. Do you have any advice on achieving some sort of middle ground? How would that play out? We tell kids to get ready in their own way. Also, talking doesn't necessarily equal unfocused. Some kids do it to get their nervous energy out. Those that don't will find a way to get away from those players whether it headphones listening to music or finding a quiet place. |
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Post by coachmonkey on May 4, 2018 11:14:23 GMT -6
You can play defense on emotion IMO, but not offense. Also, once heart rate gets above 170 bpm (I think it's 170 anyway) fine motor skills start to deteriorate. I read it puts you in a monkey brain. You are incapable of thinking of new ways to do things, fine motor skills break down, so all you can do is try to smash things harder to make it work.
This is why I think you can play defense on emotion but not offense.
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Post by CoachSP on May 4, 2018 11:51:30 GMT -6
Scenario: The hype guy on staff is getting the players pumped before the game. Do you think this is useful or not? I find that it often takes us a while to settle down. Consequently, we've been prone to giving up long kick-off returns to start the game and so on. My hypothesis claims that the players are "psycked" enough without any additional rah-rah, and that we'd be better off systematically running through last minute reminders from the game plan? The "hype guy" on staff? Just like others saying let the kids be themselves, let your coaches express some excitement. We're human. JMO. |
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Post by blb on May 4, 2018 11:59:09 GMT -6
Game time be like a duck - calm on the surface but paddling like heck underneath.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 4, 2018 22:55:54 GMT -6
We had two coaches who recognized that our team would carry emotional extremes for way too long, basically reflecting our HC, so they would be hype men when we were down and anti-hype men
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Post by spartan on May 4, 2018 23:36:57 GMT -6
Ask flavor flav
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Post by groundchuck on May 5, 2018 3:58:31 GMT -6
Do you have any advice on achieving some sort of middle ground? How would that play out? We tell kids to get ready in their own way. Also, talking doesn't necessarily equal unfocused. Some kids do it to get their nervous energy out. Those that don't will find a way to get away from those players whether it headphones listening to music or finding a quiet place. Agree. |
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Post by wingtol on May 5, 2018 7:31:17 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2018 14:59:22 GMT -6
Scenario: The hype guy on staff is getting the players pumped before the game. Do you think this is useful or not? I find that it often takes us a while to settle down. Consequently, we've been prone to giving up long kick-off returns to start the game and so on. My hypothesis claims that the players are "psycked" enough without any additional rah-rah, and that we'd be better off systematically running through last minute reminders from the game plan? Are you the HC? Is the "hype guy" also a "real coach" or just a hype guy? |
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Post by benloe on May 5, 2018 15:15:03 GMT -6
Are you the HC? Is the "hype guy" also a "real coach" or just a hype guy? I'm the HC. The hype guy is a coach, but he doesn't need to be a hype guy - it's more of a role that he takes on. What we're pondering is whether we'd be better off having a slightly calmer build-up in the last few minutes before the game starts. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2018 16:39:35 GMT -6
I think it is important to recognize the difference between intensity and emotion/hype. For example, the difference between the Terminator and a blubbering woman trying to jump into the casket at a funeral. Then constantly strive for intensity in all practice endeavors. Not hype or emotion.
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Post by benloe on May 7, 2018 0:00:27 GMT -6
Thanks for the input, coaches. We won 33-0 yesterday - that definitely didn’t have all to do with our calmer build-up, but I think it suited the personality of our team better. Kick coverage was better, but I’ll look for a bigger sample before I jump to conclusions.
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Post by planck on May 7, 2018 5:18:04 GMT -6
The one year I was lucky enough to have an assistant who was a hype guy, it worked out really well for us. However, I don't think it was just the hype, this guy was a great relationship builder with the players and understood what made then tick. He had a lot of technique and other stuff to learn, but as a first year coach he really connected with the kids. You could see the kids.
So hype for hypes sake isn't great, but having a "players' coach" to complement a scheme/technique/boring person is really great.
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Post by seabass on May 7, 2018 9:12:10 GMT -6
It's pretty simple....you are the HC. It sounds like you don't like the hype. The only thing you need to do is to think of a tactful approach to calming the hype guy. Just remember, he is probably overly emotional, that's why he's a hype guy.
I used to have a AC who anointed himself the hype guy. Our kids thought he was an idiot....some of them mocked him when they thought no one was watching. I put a stop to it for everyone's sake.
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Post by coachcb on May 7, 2018 9:31:11 GMT -6
I, personally, don't care for most the "Fire'Em Up" coaches. I find them to be loud and obnoxious and we need the kids to be calm and focused right up until a few minutes before kick-off. We have things to go through in position meetings and that can be tough to do with some dude jumping around and trying to get the kids fired up.
Plus, as has been pointed out, the kids need to find their own happy medium when it comes to intensity. Every kid is different; some of the best players we've had over the years come across as having ice-water in their veins before kick-off.
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Post by newhope on May 7, 2018 10:10:29 GMT -6
I hate the artificial stuff. Hate it.
Kids aren't stupid. They recognize genuine enthusiasm. They also recognize BS. BS 'em on one thing, they'll think you're BSing them on everything.
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Post by pistola on May 7, 2018 12:50:11 GMT -6
MAYBE they need to get more hyped for the opening kickoff? perhaps the other team has gotten more hyped and ya'll cant match it?
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Post by badtotheflexbone on May 7, 2018 16:02:58 GMT -6
I think whatever you do, it should be authentic. Whether it's coming from the coach or players. Be true to who/what you are. If you are half-ass all week and then come out fired up and rowdy game day, everyone knows your full of it
Reminds me of when I was working on my speech game. One of the best Tedtalks I've heard on this simply stated "Speak from the heart" As soon as I heard that line 2 minutes into the video, I understood it and didn't need to watch the entire thing. When you speak from the heart, raw emotions, people can feel that. I imagine hype game falls under the same thing.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2018 18:16:25 GMT -6
MAYBE they need to get more hyped for the opening kickoff? perhaps the other team has gotten more hyped and ya'll cant match it? Good point. Probably depends on who has the better run through tunnel and pyrotechnics |
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Post by badtotheflexbone on May 8, 2018 0:43:14 GMT -6
MAYBE they need to get more hyped for the opening kickoff? perhaps the other team has gotten more hyped and ya'll cant match it? Good point. Probably depends on who has the better run through tunnel and pyrotechnics We'd be undefeated if this were true lol |
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Post by 19delta on May 9, 2018 15:51:18 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 6:17:59 GMT -6
Why does a coach need to do it? Your players should be doing it. And as another said it bullcrap. And the longer I do this, the more I am convinced that while it maybe a temp.high and cool, if your team is prepared, you really shouldn't need it.
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