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Post by stilltryin on Mar 27, 2018 9:17:59 GMT -6
Hope I'm not screwing up this thread if I take the discussion from practice to game day. How similar is what you do pre-game to what you do pre-practice?
And, similarly, do you do any organized stetching at halftime ... and if so, is it the same as pre-game? An abbreviated version? And if not, why not?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 27, 2018 10:13:27 GMT -6
Hope I'm not screwing up this thread if I take the discussion from practice to game day. How similar is what you do pre-game to what you do pre-practice? And, similarly, do you do any organized stetching at halftime ... and if so, is it the same as pre-game? An abbreviated version? And if not, why not? We keep it the same.
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Post by blb on Mar 27, 2018 10:18:27 GMT -6
Our Pre-Game warm-up was shortened version of practice warm-up.
At halftime we did three-four quick form runs (sideline to hash mark and back).
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 27, 2018 10:44:57 GMT -6
All we do before games is we do 2-3 minutes (about) of short lines for "Rah, Rah" stuff and then run some plays. We go out @ 15 minutes before kick off. If we did a long warm-up we'd expend unnecessary energy for the game. All of my players play LOTS of minutes but I did it at my previous big school also.
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Post by lmorris on Mar 27, 2018 11:34:55 GMT -6
We do our version of a noose drill for Skill guys and our lineman some sort of dynamic warm up for lineman and go straight into practice.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 27, 2018 18:34:55 GMT -6
All we do before games is we do 2-3 minutes (about) of short lines for "Rah, Rah" stuff and then run some plays. We go out @ 15 minutes before kick off. If we did a long warm-up we'd expend unnecessary energy for the game. All of my players play LOTS of minutes but I did it at my previous big school also. I've always liked this idea. Every school/program I've worked for has had a long, detailed "warm-up" of at least 35 minutes and man that just seems like a very long time to me.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 27, 2018 19:24:18 GMT -6
All we do before games is we do 2-3 minutes (about) of short lines for "Rah, Rah" stuff and then run some plays. We go out @ 15 minutes before kick off. If we did a long warm-up we'd expend unnecessary energy for the game. All of my players play LOTS of minutes but I did it at my previous big school also. I've always liked this idea. Every school/program I've worked for has had a long, detailed "warm-up" of at least 35 minutes and man that just seems like a very long time to me. Holy Cow. It takes us 1-2 minutes. Tops.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 27, 2018 20:59:47 GMT -6
By warm-up, I meant the whole pregame routine, just for clarification
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Post by spartan on Mar 27, 2018 21:47:51 GMT -6
5 on 5 touch football to warm up. Every monday
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Post by Coach Hoover on Mar 29, 2018 7:33:23 GMT -6
Today's science shows that a dynamic warm-up prior to athletic activity is the correct way to prep the body for said activity. Static stretching post-activity allows for faster recovery, decreased soreness, and injury prevention. Plenty of literature out there on this.
We start with a 10-minute dynamic warm-up then go right into 10 scripted plays, uptempo, with 2 huddles, before breaking for the first Indy or Group session.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 29, 2018 8:10:04 GMT -6
It's hard for science to show these things unless you have a control group vs. an experimental group. I am definitely a science guy but the "literature" out there is suggestions based on "experts" observations. We don't do much of the stuff mentioned in the previous post and have few injuries, seem to recover correctly, and seem to be fine going right into drills and contact, so I would "suggest" that maybe the science needs to be more scientific. MAYBE all that stuff has little effect and time might be more wisely used. If there are properly done experimental studies out there that I've missed, I'm all in. Sorry-I'm somewhat of a contrarian, but I love science.
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 23, 2018 11:32:28 GMT -6
All we do before games is we do 2-3 minutes (about) of short lines for "Rah, Rah" stuff and then run some plays. We go out @ 15 minutes before kick off. If we did a long warm-up we'd expend unnecessary energy for the game. All of my players play LOTS of minutes but I did it at my previous big school also. I've always liked this idea. Every school/program I've worked for has had a long, detailed "warm-up" of at least 35 minutes and man that just seems like a very long time to me. Same. On top of that it is done an hour before kick off. Then they sit around in the locker room.....
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Post by joelee on Apr 23, 2018 11:52:25 GMT -6
I think you will find plenty of support for NOT static stretching, providing you have a proper warm up period. Heck, you could easily flip your concerns and say that someone might question your approach for using outdated practices if you static stretch prior to practices and games. Outdated, maybe but most major sports, including the NCAA, and NFL still do, if anyone's progressive its those major markets, arguments may be made either way, but Ill err on the side of caution. I have been to 3 NFL games the last 3 years, including showing up an hour early because we were attending stadiums we had never been to. Not once did I ever see anyone do a static stretch. Indianapolis VS Jacksonville, Washington vs Cleveland, Atlanta vs Buffalo. zero static stretches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 13:33:40 GMT -6
Outdated, maybe but most major sports, including the NCAA, and NFL still do, if anyone's progressive its those major markets, arguments may be made either way, but Ill err on the side of caution. I have been to 3 NFL games the last 3 years, including showing up an hour early because we were attending stadiums we had never been to. Not once did I ever see anyone do a static stretch. Indianapolis VS Jacksonville, Washington vs Cleveland, Atlanta vs Buffalo. zero static stretches. 4 Eagles games in 2 years saw it at all 4, mostly individual though, not team Perhaps it varies from position to position and team to team
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Post by cwaltsmith on Apr 24, 2018 7:21:10 GMT -6
I have been to 3 NFL games the last 3 years, including showing up an hour early because we were attending stadiums we had never been to. Not once did I ever see anyone do a static stretch. Indianapolis VS Jacksonville, Washington vs Cleveland, Atlanta vs Buffalo. zero static stretches. 4 Eagles games in 2 years saw it at all 4, mostly individual though, not team Perhaps it varies from position to position and team to team But they dont do it to a cold muscle. Static Stretch still has its place and purpose, But stretching a cold muscle tears it and damages it and causes it not to perform at peak levels. Can players do it and still play ... of course, but muscles need to warm up 1st.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 7:47:21 GMT -6
4 Eagles games in 2 years saw it at all 4, mostly individual though, not team Perhaps it varies from position to position and team to team But they dont do it to a cold muscle. Static Stretch still has its place and purpose, But stretching a cold muscle tears it and damages it and causes it not to perform at peak levels. Can players do it and still play ... of course, but muscles need to warm up 1st. That may be the case but they were doing them
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 24, 2018 7:47:23 GMT -6
Ways to start off practice:
Monday- Turnover Circuit Tuesday- Pursuit Drill Wednesday- Pat & Go / OL- Agilities Thursday- Kicking Game
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Post by silkyice on Apr 24, 2018 8:42:22 GMT -6
I have been to 3 NFL games the last 3 years, including showing up an hour early because we were attending stadiums we had never been to. Not once did I ever see anyone do a static stretch. Indianapolis VS Jacksonville, Washington vs Cleveland, Atlanta vs Buffalo. zero static stretches. 4 Eagles games in 2 years saw it at all 4, mostly individual though, not team Perhaps it varies from position to position and team to team Can you clarify? Did the team static stretch or did you see individuals in position warm-ups stop a stretch on their own?
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Post by aceback76 on Apr 24, 2018 9:45:59 GMT -6
Heard a great speaker talking about not starting practice with stretch. It’s slow paced, boring and redundant. They stretch about 20 minutes into practice but try to start with something more engaging. I thought it was a great idea. By the time the regular season gets started, practice can feel too familiar and scripted. Any ideas for what to start practice with? On air, up tempo offense? One on ones? We don't stretch. After jogging 1/4 mile to the practice field, we tell them that if they still do not feel "warmed up", do 10 Jumping Jacks!!!! Our individual position coaches begin with drills applicable to their positions that can be construed as "warming up", but NOT stretching! Before the 2nd half our kids feel 10 Jumping Jacks are enough. If they want to take a turn on the stationary bike, they may.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 9:47:01 GMT -6
4 Eagles games in 2 years saw it at all 4, mostly individual though, not team Perhaps it varies from position to position and team to team Can you clarify? Did the team static stretch or did you see individuals in position warm-ups stop a stretch on their own? Stretching on their own, what they did before we got in i have no idea
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Post by silkyice on Apr 24, 2018 9:54:53 GMT -6
Can you clarify? Did the team static stretch or did you see individuals in position warm-ups stop a stretch on their own? Stretching on their own, what they did before we got in i have no idea I will have to amend my earlier post that we haven't stretched in years. As a team, this is true. But every team has that guy that lies on his back and makes someone else hold his knee and push his leg back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 9:58:41 GMT -6
Stretching on their own, what they did before we got in i have no idea I will have to amend my earlier post that we haven't stretched in years. As a team, this is true. But every team has that guy that lies on his back and makes someone else hold his knee and push his leg back. Imo it seemed like it was post warm up, but there were maybe 10-12 guys doing various old school stretches, like hurdlers etc
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Post by PSS on Apr 24, 2018 10:17:31 GMT -6
We do dynamic stretching. Same everyday and pre-game.
Takes about 10-15 minutes.
Also do the same for games. We go out by position. Each group goes through the dynamic stretch before they report to their coach.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 24, 2018 10:54:38 GMT -6
Heard a great speaker talking about not starting practice with stretch. It’s slow paced, boring and redundant. They stretch about 20 minutes into practice but try to start with something more engaging. I thought it was a great idea. By the time the regular season gets started, practice can feel too familiar and scripted. Any ideas for what to start practice with? On air, up tempo offense? One on ones? Everyday- we start practice with a traditional "pre-practice" routine...up-temp drills with some teaching. Then we stretch (dynamics and a static hip circuit), then we head to indy/special teams and so forth.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 24, 2018 10:58:06 GMT -6
We don't stretch at the front end of practice. We stretch when we are done with practice. I don't remember the last time a kid pulled a muscle.
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 25, 2018 5:42:43 GMT -6
Are torn and/or pulled muscles so common an occurrence we should base our 'get ready for practice' routines around them? Or use the lack of pulled muscles as justification for the routines they use? Were people pulling muscles left and right before teams started static stretching in the first place?
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Post by fantom on Apr 25, 2018 6:27:30 GMT -6
Are torn and/or pulled muscles so common an occurrence we should base our 'get ready for practice' routines around them? Or use the lack of pulled muscles as justification for the routines they use? Were people pulling muscles left and right before teams started static stretching in the first place? Actually, I saw it the other way. We did static stretching when I played and for decades. For a lot of that time it was even worse, it was what's now called ballistic stretching, bouncing to touch your toes 1,2,3... . I don't remember pulled muscles left and right.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Apr 25, 2018 6:30:51 GMT -6
From my research, it is not about pulled muscles... It is about getting the muscle to perform at an optimal level. When a cold muscle is stretched, micro tears occur. These micro tears hinder the immediate performance of that muscle. By doing a warm up an athlete minimizes these micro tears. Its about preventing injury also but main purpose is to optimize muscle performance. Kinda like for years people didnt lift weights to help in sports performance.... and they were great players, and you don't have to lift weights to be good, but it sure does help optimize your chances!
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Post by ylspecial on Apr 25, 2018 6:57:39 GMT -6
We do a "Pre-Practice" warmup... Offensive Skill does a Pat & Go circuit, OL does board work, and the Defense does some type of Set Rec or Run Fit.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 25, 2018 8:19:35 GMT -6
Hope I'm not screwing up this thread if I take the discussion from practice to game day. How similar is what you do pre-game to what you do pre-practice? And, similarly, do you do any organized stetching at halftime ... and if so, is it the same as pre-game? An abbreviated version? And if not, why not? It's similar but not exactly the same. Friday nights there's more of a "show them off" feel to the warm-up. Like other teams, we have our chants/rituals we do solely on game days. A lo of it IMO has to do with continuation of the mental prep for being game-ready. Monday-Wednesday are pretty low-key..."we're here to work" feel. We keep them moving quickly, helmets stay on, not a ton of traditional warm up lines or anything like that. Thursday we treat as a run-through for game day, including our stretch. But after that, we go straight to our normal practice schedule. Friday nights we bring kids out to the field early (like everyone else) based on position groups. QBs, followed by O skills and return men/kickers, then bring out the rest of the team. When the "fat guys" hit the field, we start our pre-game warmup routine.
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