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Post by coachcalande on Nov 9, 2006 9:03:58 GMT -6
I just read about a guy whod gone 0-10, then gotten hired as the new HC at a different school...guess what? another 0-10 season. Very interesting. How many of you have seen this happen? Seems years ago that this coach was very successful at a private school (I think) but has won 1 game in the last three years.
how much does winning and being a consistent winner play into the hiring process in your area?
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Post by wingtol on Nov 9, 2006 9:32:08 GMT -6
I think you need to look at the program as well. I know of a few jobs up here that will prob be open at the end of the year. I doubt they will get any qualified applicants at either job due to the circumstances surrounding both programs. So sometimes I bet these districts are forced to hire someone who really shouldn't be a head coach.
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Post by superpower on Nov 9, 2006 9:36:39 GMT -6
I went 0-9 last year and was hired as head coach at a different school. We went 5-4 this year. So what? Going 0-9 isn't necessarily the coach's fault. In fact, we were lucky to even compete in several of those 9 games. We had absolutely no talent and no desire. Fortunately for me, the administration at my current school looked beyond the wins and losses and saw that I can coach and that coaching is way more than just how many games a person has won. Coaches can have a positive impact on young people without ever winning a game.
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2006 9:47:13 GMT -6
In our state it often is determined by what teaching openings (if any) are available.
There are no "Golden Situations" any more. If a job is open, it's because there are problems. If you are hired, YOU become the problem solver.
However, as Coach Hugh Wyatt says, there are some communities where the environment or culture prevents a coach from doing what is necessary to be successful.
I'll say it again...there are more good football coaches than there are good football programs.
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Post by knighter on Nov 9, 2006 10:21:29 GMT -6
I was 8 and 28 at my job previous to this one.
I am currently 60-14, 7 time playoff qualifier, and 5 time district champ here in 7 years.
Guess my admin figured I could coacha little (despite the record at previous school)
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Post by roomc on Nov 9, 2006 10:58:55 GMT -6
I am with Knighter on this. I do not think high school coaching should all be based on W's & L's....I think it has to do with how you run a program, organization, and most importantly how you treat kids! I do believe you have to have a solid football background, knowledge of the X's & O's, as well as be able to coach them up! I just think being a head football coach is so much more than just the wins and lost column!!! In high school you have very little control of the talent you get. The parents send you the best that they have! It is what you do with that talent pool off and on the field that makes you a good coach!
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 9, 2006 11:05:19 GMT -6
This is an excellent thread and I hope more folks can talk about getting hired at new jobs after losing at old jobs. Id also like to hear more about what was different for them if they were able to start winning...new system? new atmosphere? just learning to win? what was different?
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2006 11:18:57 GMT -6
roomc, that's all true in theory.
HOWEVER - the "MUST WIN" mentality of professional and college athletics has filtered down to HS. Parents can't blame their sons or daughters for not succeeding on the playing field - so guess who's fault it must be?
Administrators figure they can find a guy that can do all the things you listed AND win - or at least save THEIR jobs for another few years by getting rid of the "unsuccessful" or "unpopular" coach.
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Post by superpower on Nov 9, 2006 11:19:03 GMT -6
The difference for me was moving to a school/community that has kids who are willing to do what it takes to be successful and parents who hold their kids accountable. Also, it sure helps to be in a place that has some tradition in football.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 9, 2006 11:31:17 GMT -6
Those who have coached for a few years, particularly at the varsity level, know that sometimes your best coaching isn't reflected in the season record. Many years ago I was at a school that hadn't won in years. We went 6-4 with great talent (that still lost games they should have won). The town thought I - we were the greatest coaches in the world. Next season, after graduating 22 seniors, we won our opener and then lost 9 straight! But I'll tell you, we coached our butts off with those kids, and remarkably, the admin. and the community realized it. Yes, we all want to win, and wins & losses will factor in during the evaluation or hiring process. But don't just look at the final record - look for the reasons behind it. Maybe it's the coach, maybe not.
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Post by coachnichols on Nov 9, 2006 19:29:59 GMT -6
I went 0-9 last year and was hired as head coach at a different school. We went 5-4 this year. So what? Going 0-9 isn't necessarily the coach's fault. In fact, we were lucky to even compete in several of those 9 games. We had absolutely no talent and no desire. Fortunately for me, the administration at my current school looked beyond the wins and losses and saw that I can coach and that coaching is way more than just how many games a person has won. Coaches can have a positive impact on young people without ever winning a game. True. There was a HC around here that built a program up to several state titles, left for another state, came back and took over "powerhouse" program and went 0-9. The excuses coming out of there were that the talent was bad, but you should have heard the other stories. This guy seemed like a real jerkoff. Didn't go over to well and long story short, he left for another state again. Hmm... |
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 10, 2006 6:06:29 GMT -6
Those who have coached for a few years, particularly at the varsity level, know that sometimes your best coaching isn't reflected in the season record. Many years ago I was at a school that hadn't won in years. We went 6-4 with great talent (that still lost games they should have won). The town thought I - we were the greatest coaches in the world. Next season, after graduating 22 seniors, we won our opener and then lost 9 straight! But I'll tell you, we coached our butts off with those kids, and remarkably, the admin. and the community realized it. Yes, we all want to win, and wins & losses will factor in during the evaluation or hiring process. But don't just look at the final record - look for the reasons behind it. Maybe it's the coach, maybe not. do you coach at twin Valley in Pa?...that sounds like their recent story. I think they coach very hard and coach well, their jr high has been very good for a couple of years on and off and the program is heading in the right direction...I think most realize it win or lose...they also play tough teams. |
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Post by scoopandscore on Nov 10, 2006 15:21:54 GMT -6
I think the best coaching job we ever did was with 10 sophomores starting - we were 5-4 and all of our losses except one were close. I have enjoyed double digit win season and have suffered from some double win! seasons - but I still think we did the most with what we had that 5-4 year.
There are some jobs that take a long time to build.
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 11, 2006 9:12:53 GMT -6
If I am a principal, I look first at the plan he has, his background and experience and then at his record.
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Post by stackattack on Nov 11, 2006 10:00:51 GMT -6
I don't think an 0-10 season helps on your resume if you only coached for one year. An 0-10 mark in the midst of the career where you averaged 7 wins a season is a different story. If the new job you are seeking is in a different part of the state or country it may be hard for the people in charge of hiring to look past the 0-10 mark. I by no means believe that a coach who went 0-10 shows a true reflection of how good they potentially are, but I would think it would be a uphill battle to get another HC mark if your career total is Zero wins.
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