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Post by gators41 on Mar 21, 2018 7:06:10 GMT -6
I am in the process of building an install/playbook/educational resource the likes of which have never been seen!!!!! (haha). Marzano would be jealous (there is some teacher inservice) What are some things you take for granted as common knowledge that not all players may know. - Ticks on the Sideline
- Seam/Flats
- Post/Pylon
- Alley
- Flats
- Flat Defender/Overhang
- Technique of Down Linemen (DL)
This is just a start. I know some sound really simple, but can we really take anything for granted anymore?
Need some more please
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Post by bluboy on Mar 21, 2018 8:13:28 GMT -6
Here are some things from a handout I made(years ago) for our frosh. Hope this helps...
RECEIVER IDENTIFICATION Tight End-receiver on LOS who aligns within 3yds of OT Slot-receiver aligned in backfield (off LOS) between the OT and the SE Flanker-receiver aligned in the backfield (off LOS) wide outside the TE Wing-receiver (or running back) aligned in the backfield (off LOS) but next to the TE Split End-receiver aligned on the LOS, wide outside the OT NUMBERING RECEIVERS In order to quickly identify receivers, they are numbered from outside in; running backs are included in the count IMPORTANT TERMS IN- toward the center of the formation OUT-away from the center of the formation PLAYSIDE-the side of the formation where the ball goes BACKSIDE or AWAYSIDE-the side opposite the direction of the ball POA-point of attack-the actual gap the offense is attacking LEVERAGE-inside/out or outside in (depends where the defender is aligned)-inside defenders want to stay on the ball carrier’s backside hip-outside defenders want to keep the ball in front and inside FIT-each defender’s leverage on the ball so that the ball can not get outside the defense or cut back-proper fit seams or creases from occurring PURSUIT-running to the ball as fast as one can while maintaining proper leverage PURSUIT ANGLE-the angle defenders take to run to the ball-backside defenders take a deeper angle-no defender should be directly behind one of his teammates FORCE-the defender who forces the ball (into the core of the defense) from outside in CONTAIN-the defender who keeps the QB in front and inside of the defense
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Post by wingtol on Mar 21, 2018 8:37:42 GMT -6
Everything. Do not assume they know any terms you use unless you show them or explain it to them first.
Years ago had an OL, who went on to play in college, ask week 7 "How do I know when the play is coming to my side" "If the last number is Even it's right Odd is left..." "I didn't know that thanks coach"
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Post by hammer66 on Mar 21, 2018 8:40:26 GMT -6
THAT'S A HUGE CAN OF WORMS you just opened. I have just begun to understand kids today don't know JACK and we have to teach them everything including basic terminology. Honestly 15-20 years ago YOUTH coaches were pretty solid. Today I am sure there are still some solid guys coaching youth but its a higher percentage of DAD coaches.
I just put together on HUDL basic OLINE terminology for the kids.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 21, 2018 8:48:16 GMT -6
Everything. Do not assume they know any terms you use unless you show them or explain it to them first. Years ago had an OL, who went on to play in college, ask week 7 "How do I know when the play is coming to my side" "If the last number is Even it's right Odd is left..." "I didn't know that thanks coach" This. We walk in assuming that the players know very little football terminology. And, we know that some kids still won't understand some basic terminology by the end of the season. Watching film one Monday, half way through last season: Me: "Lil Johnny, you're the defensive tackle and should be aligned in a three technique. Why are you aligned on the center? We've never had you aligned on the center..You're always in a three technique" Lil Johnny: "What's a three technique? Me: "You should be shaded on the guard's outside eye." Lil Johnny: "What do you mean by 'shaded'?" Me: -go back a few plays and show an opposing play in a three technique- "You're splitting the guard down the middle, inside leg back, inside hand down." Lil Johnny: "Oh! So I should be lined up in the B-gap!" Me: "Yes and no..We'll go through it at practice." Bear in mind that this conversation took place after repeated chalk talks and reps in practice where we explained what the techniques are, what the alignment is, etc...etc... The kids also have to draw out their own playbook showing the alignments, including technique numbering and the term "shade". And, this was a kid that had started the previous two games for us and was ALWAYS aligned in a 3-tech. He had shown proper alignment in practice and games up to that point so we had no idea he didn't know the terminology.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 21, 2018 9:41:13 GMT -6
THAT'S A HUGE CAN OF WORMS you just opened. I have just begun to understand kids today don't know JACK and we have to teach them everything including basic terminology. Honestly 15-20 years ago YOUTH coaches were pretty solid. Today I am sure there are still some solid guys coaching youth but its a higher percentage of DAD coaches. I just put together on HUDL basic OLINE terminology for the kids. I also think with the internet and availability of so much more information now days some guys think they need to talk like they are on an NFL staff when teaching 15 year olds.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 21, 2018 9:47:14 GMT -6
Anything that I don't rep at least weekly, but probably daily, with kids then I assume they don't know it.
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Post by gators41 on Mar 21, 2018 10:09:42 GMT -6
Everything. Do not assume they know any terms you use unless you show them or explain it to them first. Years ago had an OL, who went on to play in college, ask week 7 "How do I know when the play is coming to my side" "If the last number is Even it's right Odd is left..." "I didn't know that thanks coach" This. We walk in assuming that the players know very little football terminology. And, we know that some kids still won't understand some basic terminology by the end of the season. Watching film one Monday, half way through last season: Me: "Lil Johnny, you're the defensive tackle and should be aligned in a three technique. Why are you aligned on the center? We've never had you aligned on the center..You're always in a three technique" Lil Johnny: "What's a three technique? Me: "You should be shaded on the guard's outside eye." Lil Johnny: "What do you mean by 'shaded'?" Me: -go back a few plays and show an opposing play in a three technique- "You're splitting the guard down the middle, inside leg back, inside hand down." Lil Johnny: "Oh! So I should be lined up in the B-gap!" Me: "Yes and no..We'll go through it at practice." Bear in mind that this conversation took place after repeated chalk talks and reps in practice where we explained what the techniques are, what the alignment is, etc...etc... The kids also have to draw out their own playbook showing the alignments, including technique numbering and the term "shade". And, this was a kid that had started the previous two games for us and was ALWAYS aligned in a 3-tech. He had shown proper alignment in practice and games up to that point so we had no idea he didn't know the terminology. Had a LB who asked me about week 5 who the Full back was. LB coach kept telling him to key the FB and he had no idea... Changed my whole perspective. He started playing a lot better after that......
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Post by coachcb on Mar 21, 2018 10:31:36 GMT -6
gators41Lol... I hear that. We had a junior SS once who didn't know what a "tight end" was. For three weeks, I kept hammering him about keying the TE for his initial read on quarters and fitting off of him. He finally asked me what a "tight end" was, I couldn't help but laugh but his play improved.
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Post by o3t on Mar 21, 2018 11:50:15 GMT -6
This topic makes me wonder why we all don't just use the madden playbook.
Not knowing the difference between a wing and a slot is one of my pet peeves.
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Post by agap on Mar 21, 2018 12:00:00 GMT -6
A couple years ago we wanted the 3 tech to the field against one of our opponent's formations. After the first series, the SS came off the field and asked how he can figure out which side is the wide side of the field when they're on the hash. After that we started explaining how to figure out the wide side of the field.
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Post by newt21 on Mar 21, 2018 12:10:57 GMT -6
Shades/techniques, gap responsibilities, run fits, and leverage all come to mind. Not just what they mean, but the concepts of them all. How many offensive players must be on the line of scrimmage (what the line of scrimmage is), how to determine who is an eligible receiver (and to point them out to help out the officials), onside kicks (when to recover/when not to), punts (what Peter actually means and why we scream it on punt return), what a cadence is (and why it's important), that the defense doesn't go on a cadence, and let's not forget pursuit angles.
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Post by fantom on Mar 21, 2018 13:52:18 GMT -6
I am in the process of building an install/playbook/educational resource the likes of which have never been seen!!!!! (haha). Marzano would be jealous (there is some teacher inservice) What are some things you take for granted as common knowledge that not all players may know. - Ticks on the Sideline
- Seam/Flats
- Post/Pylon
- Alley
- Flats
- Flat Defender/Overhang
- Technique of Down Linemen (DL)
This is just a start. I know some sound really simple, but can we really take anything for granted anymore?
Need some more please
What are "Ticks on the sideline"?
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Post by joris85 on Mar 21, 2018 14:28:57 GMT -6
Imagine having players on your team that have never seen a football game before stepping on the field for the first time. This does effectively happen in Europe and we have players on our team like that.
New things for them: - Touchdown - 4 downs to gain 10 yards - All positions on the field - The concept of not moving prior to the snap - Fumbles/backward passes/live balls - Drive block/Reachblock/Downblock - Each different kick, rules, regulations and reasons to use them. (and yes, we score by kicking OVER the crossbar) - Holding - Hashmarks (they will not see hashmarks until gameday, because we have to temporarily line a soccer field on gamedays) - A flag, signaling a penalty. True story: at some point during a game couple years back, after a flag was thrown, player saw the flag, picked it up and gave it to the ref, stating "sir, you've dropped your handkerchief, here you go". - Playside/Backside
I could go on and on.
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Post by chi5hi on Mar 21, 2018 18:34:48 GMT -6
I am in the process of building an install/playbook/educational resource the likes of which have never been seen!!!!! (haha). Marzano would be jealous (there is some teacher inservice) What are some things you take for granted as common knowledge that not all players may know. - Ticks on the Sideline
- Seam/Flats
- Post/Pylon
- Alley
- Flats
- Flat Defender/Overhang
- Technique of Down Linemen (DL)
This is just a start. I know some sound really simple, but can we really take anything for granted anymore?
Need some more please
O- Backside Guard pulling toward the play G- Frontside Guard pulling toward the play Flood- Both RB's releasing to the same side Bootleg- QB moving away from the direction of the Backs Progress- What a passer does in looking from one receiver to another Structure- The number of Safeties Compressed Front- 6 defenders aligned inside of seven O.Line blockers Tilt- A CB dropping into a Safety Spot and showing a 2 Deep Structure Blitz- A pass rush by a man who doesn't have a blocker assigned to him Fire- A linebacker shooting into a specified Gap
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Post by gators41 on Mar 22, 2018 5:42:24 GMT -6
I am in the process of building an install/playbook/educational resource the likes of which have never been seen!!!!! (haha). Marzano would be jealous (there is some teacher inservice) What are some things you take for granted as common knowledge that not all players may know. - Ticks on the Sideline
- Seam/Flats
- Post/Pylon
- Alley
- Flats
- Flat Defender/Overhang
- Technique of Down Linemen (DL)
This is just a start. I know some sound really simple, but can we really take anything for granted anymore?
Need some more please
What are "Ticks on the sideline"? I call them the tick marks. The hashs or every yard little marks that are on the sideline. I use them as the landmark for the cover 2 hole. What do you call them?
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Post by blb on Mar 22, 2018 5:54:02 GMT -6
What are "Ticks on the sideline"? I call them the tick marks. The hashs or every yard little marks that are on the sideline. I use them as the landmark for the cover 2 hole. What do you call them?
Yardlines.
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Post by seabass on Mar 22, 2018 10:26:38 GMT -6
I am in the process of building an install/playbook/educational resource the likes of which have never been seen!!!!! (haha). Marzano would be jealous (there is some teacher inservice) What are some things you take for granted as common knowledge that not all players may know. - Ticks on the Sideline
- Seam/Flats
- Post/Pylon
- Alley
- Flats
- Flat Defender/Overhang
- Technique of Down Linemen (DL)
This is just a start. I know some sound really simple, but can we really take anything for granted anymore?
Need some more please
I used to get frustrated with these kinds of things. My solution was to assume as little as possible. I don't see much risk in insulting the intelligence of a HS kid so I just explain it even if I "shouldn't" have to. Conversely, assuming a kid knows something, when he doesn't, can obviously have negative consequences. If I were going to do something like this for my players I would focus on the stuff they need to know for what we do. This game has WAY too much jargon and not all of it is universal. Some coaches have their own terms for certain things....you call the yard lines "ticks"... that's your deal. I have never heard that term used before so I would be confused by that myself. Define all the stuff that has to be known for your team to function; especially if it's unique to you.
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Mar 22, 2018 10:38:38 GMT -6
This can be both due to not knowing the term, and language barrier (I also believe I have written about this her eon another thread). I was coaching in Sweden, we were up 14-0 at the end of the second quarter. Our opponents were driving the ball down the field but running out of time. They picked up a first down on our 7-isch yard line with seconds left, their coach yells: Spike the ball!
Their center runs right at the ball, and kicks it as hard as he could! I believe he hit the ump with the ball, and the clock ran out. This was my first year of coaching, so I learned right there that the devil is in the details and to always over explain.
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Post by gators41 on Mar 23, 2018 7:04:18 GMT -6
I am in the process of building an install/playbook/educational resource the likes of which have never been seen!!!!! (haha). Marzano would be jealous (there is some teacher inservice) What are some things you take for granted as common knowledge that not all players may know. - Ticks on the Sideline
- Seam/Flats
- Post/Pylon
- Alley
- Flats
- Flat Defender/Overhang
- Technique of Down Linemen (DL)
This is just a start. I know some sound really simple, but can we really take anything for granted anymore?
Need some more please
I used to get frustrated with these kinds of things. My solution was to assume as little as possible. I don't see much risk in insulting the intelligence of a HS kid so I just explain it even if I "shouldn't" have to. Conversely, assuming a kid knows something, when he doesn't, can obviously have negative consequences. If I were going to do something like this for my players I would focus on the stuff they need to know for what we do. This game has WAY too much jargon and not all of it is universal. Some coaches have their own terms for certain things....you call the yard lines "ticks"... that's your deal. I have never heard that term used before so I would be confused by that myself. Define all the stuff that has to be known for your team to function; especially if it's unique to you. Great Points and I appreciate the input. I use the term ticks as a tag, when I want the fade to attack the sideline hole vs hard cover 2. So this would be a term that they would need to know.
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Post by CoachC on Mar 26, 2018 12:16:46 GMT -6
I had an incoming 9th grader one year he told me he played on the O-Line for his youth football teams. I asked him which position. He said "the guy next to the guy that hikes the ball". I just shook my head...
Teach the terms for blocking: Down, Reach, Kick, etc... Most of them have no idea...
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Post by cwaltsmith on Mar 27, 2018 7:24:35 GMT -6
In the words of a pretty good coach out of Green Bay.... "Gentlemen, this is a football."... Assume nothing, explain everything.
Had a big lineman one year, his first day with the OL, we wanted to just see what he could do. So in the huddle I called the play... I looked and him and said block down on the 1st man inside. He proceeded to go to the line and on the snap, dive straight through the legs and under the DL closest to him. I asked him what he was doing and explained that I had just told him what to do... He said "I did it coach... I went down as low as I could get and went inside his legs"
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