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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 27, 2018 8:40:41 GMT -6
Those of you that have one, how impactful was it? Anyone in general, if you could add one, what would their roles be? What does a program “academic advisor” position actually look like in a HS building?
STRONGLY considering using a stipend on one (there are some other roles I’d like to include in it but this would be the primary function).
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Post by gators41 on Feb 27, 2018 8:46:02 GMT -6
I have one.
His name is gators41.
Next would be Guidance Counselor.
If you had just money laying around, I guess I would have someone check their grades and talk with the at risk students teachers everyday.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 27, 2018 9:11:31 GMT -6
Like, these are HS kids. If they can't figure out how to do homework and pass a class, are we really doing them any long term favors by continuing to try to make it easier on them or help them by giving them less adult responsibilities?
Sorry for the veer off topic, but I mean, at some point they have to do something on their own.
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Post by carookie on Feb 27, 2018 9:21:24 GMT -6
Had one before, basically ran a study hall after school and then tried to make kids attend his Sunday study halls (for which he charged). He was one of those "educationeers" who had his masters in education, attended a lot of conferences about education theory, and like many educationeers sought to find new problems to justify his professional existence. I think the HC liked having him around because we could then brag that we had a dedicated academic advisor (makes you feel like a big time program)>
We live in the age of the internet with all students grades readily at hand, most coaches are teachers anyways and should know how to do those things an academic advisor is doing; and if all hands chip in it isnt that much work.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 27, 2018 9:52:27 GMT -6
we have a short good looking guywith a beard that does ours
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Post by bluboy on Feb 27, 2018 10:13:05 GMT -6
We have two - HC and me. We periodically check grades; we are the ones teachers come to when our kids are not towing the line or doing well.
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 27, 2018 10:30:33 GMT -6
Like, these are HS kids. If they can't figure out how to do homework and pass a class, are we really doing them any long term favors by continuing to try to make it easier on them or help them by giving them less adult responsibilities? Sorry for the veer off topic, but I mean, at some point they have to do something on their own. Like, yes, these are HS kids, and, like, I’m a coach that has an opportunity to provide extra assistance especially for kids that struggle We can’t practice be immediately after school and there is downtime for the kids to get their work done, possibly have ACT prep that could Hall them bump their scores and equate to money from colleges for those attending, eliminate babysitting headaches in a productive way, emphasize the importance of academics more than just a coach talking to them when grades slip. No one is doing the work for them, taking a time in the day and making it beneficial to the kids and program.
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 27, 2018 10:40:37 GMT -6
Had one before, basically ran a study hall after school and then tried to make kids attend his Sunday study halls (for which he charged). He was one of those "educationeers" who had his masters in education, attended a lot of conferences about education theory, and like many educationeers sought to find new problems to justify his professional existence. I think the HC liked having him around because we could then brag that we had a dedicated academic advisor (makes you feel like a big time program)> We live in the age of the internet with all students grades readily at hand, most coaches are teachers anyways and should know how to do those things an academic advisor is doing; and if all hands chip in it isnt that much work. I’m the only one I’m the building currently, would definitely split it up if we had more, do it by grades. Outside of the “best for kids” I was also trying to lighten my workload too. Maybe I’ll talk with basketball coach and another sport coach, see if they can pitch in in the fall and I’ll help during their seasons.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 27, 2018 12:33:03 GMT -6
we have a short good looking guywith a beard that does ours Wow so do we! Actually I don’t do that anymore, but when I did I mostly tried to help those who helped themselves. I can’t say I find study hall to be a good use of anybody’s time, but even then I didn’t require it of any players who had solid grades.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 27, 2018 12:33:53 GMT -6
we have a short good looking guywith a beard that does ours Wow so do we! Actually I don’t do that anymore, but when I did I mostly tried to help those who helped themselves. I can’t say I find study hall to be a good use of anybody’s time, but even then I didn’t require it of any players who had solid grades.
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Post by CoachC on Feb 27, 2018 13:11:24 GMT -6
We used to have an extra stipend for that, but now we monitor grades by position coach.
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Post by 54695469 on Feb 27, 2018 15:14:34 GMT -6
Like, these are HS kids. If they can't figure out how to do homework and pass a class, are we really doing them any long term favors by continuing to try to make it easier on them or help them by giving them less adult responsibilities? Sorry for the veer off topic, but I mean, at some point they have to do something on their own. Exactly! Great post!
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Post by lions23 on Feb 27, 2018 21:51:03 GMT -6
Yes we had a sped teacher who was great at helping kids get organized, stay on top of things, and steer them or help herself with extra ACT prep. Most of our kids have some sort of circumstance that makes it tough for them. Poverty, single parent, first generation college possibilities. Many of the kids just don't know how to do the things that will make them successful students. Most will work hard they just don't know how to do school. Their parents usually care and work hard too. It they don't know either. She will help them Fafsa and applications. She pulls the ones who are D2 D1 possibilities out of PE checks grades, organizes, or helps with ACT extras. The kids love/hate it. She is tough on them but they end up being successful. Many of them have continued success in college.
We have daily study hall with all coaches and other content teachers. She checks on at risk kids and the ones who have opportunity. Kids who would be drop out concerns graduate and kids who felt like graduating was a peak go on to college.
We have teachers who feel the same as others here have expressed but not all your kids come to you in a prepared state. That's our job as educators to get them there. Trust me playing basketball in PE is much more fun than the things she has them doing but she does bribe them with cookies and treats.
She gets a stipend and loves being called a football coach.
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Post by kylem56 on Feb 28, 2018 8:29:59 GMT -6
Luckily our athletic dept. secretary pulls all grades for us, we are responsible for talking to the kids. We also make it a priority for the program to develop relationships with the teachers in the building by having an individual kid be their guest at a team dinner. We are also lucky to have a few teachers in our building who are willing to go above and beyond to help kids.
Definitely hard to do as a 1 man show
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Post by coachdawhip on Mar 11, 2018 14:22:36 GMT -6
I have one and I pay him.
He runs our freshmen weekly study hall and teaches them study skills. He also does the bi-weekly grade checks. Will email the teacher, me, parent, coach whose child family they belong to find out an issues.
Some of them are made to go to study hall with teachers on Wednesday and Thursday if need be and he verifies.
We have a paper trail.
I care more about my kids graduating than winning a state championship so I INVEST IN IT because I afford to pay for the help.
38% of my football players have All A's and B's last semester 69% finished with a 3.0
That's what we do.
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Post by chi5hi on Mar 11, 2018 14:36:51 GMT -6
When I was a HS student I had one...I even remember his name..."Dad". When I goofed off...my counselor had a woodshed.
There is much to be lauded about the "Good 'ol days". It worked.
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