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Post by phantom on May 11, 2006 19:14:14 GMT -6
Offensively, we're a power team and we WILL run off-tackle. Defensively, we're an attacking team (not blitzing, necessarily) who believes in speed. Overall, we're aggressive and will attack in all phases of the game.
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Post by knighter on May 11, 2006 20:25:38 GMT -6
air-
i do know some guys who have some good success running no huddle dw. we use it when i start to get a feel that the defense is worn out...go for the throat type of mentality
ps- takes more energy to play defense than offense when not able to platoon (what i have been told by college coaches)
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Post by airman on May 11, 2006 20:46:52 GMT -6
air- i do know some guys who have some good success running no huddle dw. we use it when i start to get a feel that the defense is worn out...go for the throat type of mentality ps- takes more energy to play defense than offense when not able to platoon (what i have been told by college coaches) why does it take more energy to play defense. every time i hear this statement, I ask the coach why. and there response is, because that is what I have been told. then I say, so it really must expend your players to play a pressure style of defense, since it supposedly takes more energy,. i think the quote it takes more energy to play defense is simply a wives tale. the more plays you run at a defense, the more tired it gets. however if you huddle, you give them just as much time to rest as you have to rest. so you have a zero sum game. see i think you preach that qoute enough, it becomes a selfufilling mantra. it is a negative pattern of reinforcement. it is the same thing when coahces say, when you throw the ball 3 things can happen and 2 are bad. well that gets in your qb head. it is like the minute you tell a kid don't hold, they will go out and hold. you have planted the negative seed in the mind. plant enough seeds and you will sow a habbit. my philosophy is simple more plays =more chances to score=a greater chance to win. they do not pay me to run out the clock. it is not like college wrestling were riding time equals points. it is just my philosophy. you can call me a crack pot, they call mike leach a crack pot as well.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on May 11, 2006 21:58:24 GMT -6
to me the object is to score the most points
True, though with our kids we stand a better chance winning a 14-7 game than a 56-49 game. I think we are arguing the same point when it comes to pragmatism... the difference is in the means.
Either way, control the pace (fast or slow) and the likelihood of controlling the game- and the final score- improve greatly.
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Post by saintrad on May 11, 2006 22:58:20 GMT -6
what i hang my proverbial hat on is that I plan to score whenever i am on offense or defense. THe schemes mean nothing, its only a method, but having the philospohy of scoring everytime you can (whether FG, Td, PAT, safety, INt/Fum Rec for TD). Last time i checked, the team with the most points has won the game.
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Post by knighter on May 12, 2006 5:06:55 GMT -6
air-
just said that is what i have been told, didn't say i necessarily believed it. he explained (college guy) something about defense being more reaction etc. i typically don't argue much, plus it was said in clinic format. i guess basically i think the offenseive guys have to react to changes or adjustments as well. this game is not like the old nintendo game where all guys run in straight lines.
the reason i want to burn clock is simply to keep your offense of the field. i believe in ball control, and controlling the clock. the record our kids here have over the last 6 years here has made me believe in that even more, when we control the tempo, and when we burn clock, when we can keep your offense sitting on the sidelines (or playing defense) we have a much higher winning percentage. we choose to simply get more offensive plays than you going the other route (slowing down) rather than speeding up, but i still believe we are speaking the same language (just a different dialect).
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Post by groundchuck on May 12, 2006 6:39:21 GMT -6
air- just said that is what i have been told, didn't say i necessarily believed it. he explained (college guy) something about defense being more reaction etc. i typically don't argue much, plus it was said in clinic format. i guess basically i think the offenseive guys have to react to changes or adjustments as well. this game is not like the old nintendo game where all guys run in straight lines. the reason i want to burn clock is simply to keep your offense of the field. i believe in ball control, and controlling the clock. the record our kids here have over the last 6 years here has made me believe in that even more, when we control the tempo, and when we burn clock, when we can keep your offense sitting on the sidelines (or playing defense) we have a much higher winning percentage. we choose to simply get more offensive plays than you going the other route (slowing down) rather than speeding up, but i still believe we are speaking the same language (just a different dialect). Like many of you guys I started both ways and played all special teams on varsity for 3 years. Though it has been some time since I played I remember being gassed period...offense/defense/special teams etc. Now I think you can "rest" more on offense than on defense. On offense if we were pass blocking and the ball was gone and 30 yards down field what good was I gonna do as a lineman sprinting downfield except clip somebody. So that is when I would take a "rest." Not saying I dogged it and did not hustle (I was Mr. Hustle I have the plaque to prove it). But there are opportunities to recover. On defense you are always running after the ball. On defense you are always at full speed reacting then sprinting to the ball. I also know as a playcaller if I see a defender on the other team out of breath guess where I am callign the next play? Right at him. On offense if you run our TB 6 plays in a row you can then give it to your FB or call a pass and get him some "rest". Then go back to him. I think both offense and defense require the same amount of energy to play, but more opportunities to "recover" are on offense. As a coach I am also more likely to sub my best players out on offense for a play or two. I think it is a huge risk to for example take your best defender off the field for 2 plays on defense. Anyway that is my two cents.
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Post by coachdawhip on May 12, 2006 7:11:47 GMT -6
As a math teacher all stats are misleading.
Time of poss. can be key. But only if you get points! Stats show that the team that leads in time poss. when points are scored, i.e, you only count time poss. when the team scores wins.
Offense: Create big plays!!!
Defensive: All 11 players to the ball! All 11 players to the ball and for my secondary don't get beat deep, make teams drive the ball on us.
How to defend me : Take away the edges and make me stay patient.
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Post by tripleoption61 on May 12, 2006 8:29:47 GMT -6
AIRMAN,
TO SAY HS KIDS AREN'T PREPARED FOR NO-HUDDLE IS WRONG. I HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF HS TEAMS THIS YEAR RUN NO-HUDDLE SUCESSFULLY.
AND WITH THE 2 PLATOONING THING. I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KIDS TO GO 2 PLATOON BUT I DO IT. I COACH UP THE KIDS TO DO IT. I ROTATE A LOT OF GUYS IN TO MAKE IT WORK ON DEFENSE.
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Post by airman on May 12, 2006 15:39:08 GMT -6
air- just said that is what i have been told, didn't say i necessarily believed it. he explained (college guy) something about defense being more reaction etc. i typically don't argue much, plus it was said in clinic format. i guess basically i think the offenseive guys have to react to changes or adjustments as well. this game is not like the old nintendo game where all guys run in straight lines. the reason i want to burn clock is simply to keep your offense of the field. i believe in ball control, and controlling the clock. the record our kids here have over the last 6 years here has made me believe in that even more, when we control the tempo, and when we burn clock, when we can keep your offense sitting on the sidelines (or playing defense) we have a much higher winning percentage. we choose to simply get more offensive plays than you going the other route (slowing down) rather than speeding up, but i still believe we are speaking the same language (just a different dialect). Like many of you guys I started both ways and played all special teams on varsity for 3 years. Though it has been some time since I played I remember being gassed period...offense/defense/special teams etc. Now I think you can "rest" more on offense than on defense. On offense if we were pass blocking and the ball was gone and 30 yards down field what good was I gonna do as a lineman sprinting downfield except clip somebody. So that is when I would take a "rest." Not saying I dogged it and did not hustle (I was Mr. Hustle I have the plaque to prove it). But there are opportunities to recover. On defense you are always running after the ball. On defense you are always at full speed reacting then sprinting to the ball. I also know as a playcaller if I see a defender on the other team out of breath guess where I am callign the next play? Right at him. On offense if you run our TB 6 plays in a row you can then give it to your FB or call a pass and get him some "rest". Then go back to him. I think both offense and defense require the same amount of energy to play, but more opportunities to "recover" are on offense. As a coach I am also more likely to sub my best players out on offense for a play or two. I think it is a huge risk to for example take your best defender off the field for 2 plays on defense. Anyway that is my two cents. to me you are hurting yourself if you do the above. if you start both ways, you should not play special teams. just my opinion.
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Post by groundchuck on May 12, 2006 15:47:55 GMT -6
to me you are hurting yourself if you do the above. if you start both ways, you should not play special teams. just my opinion. I agree with your opinion here when you can it is best to rest 2-way players on special teams. However there are small schools where that is impossible. I happened to play at one of those schools and coach at one now.
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Post by coachcb on May 12, 2006 17:05:23 GMT -6
I am a big believer in the strength of special teams. I have had games won and lost based on special teams. I refuse to play the lawyers/doctor's kids on special teams- I want speed, talent and aggression on all special teams. If I can, I will give my two way guys a rest on special teams, or at the very least pull them on a few of them. I like the kids to take pride in their special teams unitm especially punt and kick off- they get to fly down the field and pop people with a full head of steam. -Punt /kick return- I treat it as the first play of a five play offensive series. I want good field position the whole game. -Punt/Kick off- Fly down the field and contain. Hot blockers in the mouth, swarm the ball carrier and pin em deep. -FG/PAT- I want to be able to hit 100% of FGs within the 10 yard line. I also want to hit 100% of PATs
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Post by airman on May 12, 2006 17:25:22 GMT -6
to me you are hurting yourself if you do the above. if you start both ways, you should not play special teams. just my opinion. I agree with your opinion here when you can it is best to rest 2-way players on special teams. However there are small schools where that is impossible. I happened to play at one of those schools and coach at one now. i understand what you are saying at really small schools. if you have only 20 kids on varsity, I understand you just have to do the best you can. i have never been in that position. every where i have been I have 11 playing and anywhere from 40 to 60 standing behind me. in that type sistuation, I think I am doing damage to my team by not playing the kinds standing behind me. i believe special teams are made that is why I spend so much time. the only unit I will play starters on is punt block. 1st team defensive starters. when we go punt block, the returner is on his own so I tell him to make the best of the sitaution or fair catch it. i just think it is wrong to ask a kid to come to practice every day, buy into the program and then oh, you get to stand on the sidelines on firday night. just my opinion.
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Post by coachdawhip on May 12, 2006 19:18:30 GMT -6
Tell the big schools in GA not to play starters on offense, defense and special teams. The past 3 state champions are not having a problem with it. I think to each it's own personal experience on that one
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Post by airman on May 12, 2006 19:50:47 GMT -6
Tell the big schools in GA not to play starters on offense, defense and special teams. The past 3 state champions are not having a problem with it. I think to each it's own personal experience on that one then what the since in having back ups? if i am going to play my starters only, then i might as well eithe cut the rest or send them down to jv. but i guess if it works for them fine. i just would hate to be a backup. no sense me really caring about the team if i never get to play.
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