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Post by ryanhath on Feb 7, 2018 8:43:03 GMT -6
A lot of speculation about the Josh McDaniel situation this morning. I've seen that he has been promised heir apparent to Belichick, he was worried about Luck's health, etc. etc.
What is everyone missing?
Being a head coach in the NFL is hard. Sure you are compensated well. But taking a head coaching job in the NFL is entering into a situation that is in some turmoil (by definition), and you are required to grind out 20 hour days and in large part, success is out of your hand. You get stuck with Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow, and your a failure (not to say Josh couldn't have done a better job in Denver). You sacrifice time with you kids, family, personal life all for the opportunity to work constantly and you still might be run out of town on a rail. This is true of OC's as well but heavy is the head that wears the crown.
Not to mention you are just expected at the age of 41, to uproot your wife and children to any city that might have you, because coaching jobs are few and far between.
Take a look at Matt Patricia. More likely than not, within three-four years there will be beard jokes as he is on his way out of the door from the Lions, with people complaining that he wasted Stafford's latter prime. And I don't think it'll be his fault.
Take a look at almost any of the other Belichick assistants who left (Weis, Mangini, Crennel,) with the exception of Bill O'Brien they all failed. If you could give any of them the chance to wave the magic wand and stay with the Pats instead of moving on, don't you think they would at least consider it?
Of course, we should not feel bad for any of these guys. And of course it is human nature to want to the most power/control/challenge but those are not the only factors in your life. I don't think anyone knows this better than McDaniels. Just my thoughts.
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2018 9:00:19 GMT -6
A lot of speculation about the Josh McDaniel situation this morning. I've seen that he has been promised heir apparent to Belichick, he was worried about Luck's health, etc. etc. What is everyone missing? Being a head coach in the NFL is hard. Sure you are compensated well. But taking a head coaching job in the NFL is entering into a situation that is in some turmoil (by definition), and you are required to grind out 20 hour days and in large part, success is out of your hand. Is it necessarily harder than being an assistant in the NFL? |
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Post by ryanhath on Feb 7, 2018 9:11:30 GMT -6
Let me put it to you this way, do you know who McDaniels OC was in Denver when they were going 3-9?
Do you know who the OC was for the Seahawks in the 2015 Super Bowl (e.g. the guy who actually called the pass on the 1 yardline)?
Even if you do, I would guess that most people do not. Granted if a HC gets fired the whole staff goes with them.
And I would say that McDaniels gets to be the OC for the New England Patriots with Tom Brady as QB. So that situation matters as well.
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Post by ryanhath on Feb 7, 2018 9:13:33 GMT -6
But your point about the hours/quality of life is true, they are probably identical.
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 7, 2018 9:41:48 GMT -6
Let me put it to you this way, do you know who McDaniels OC was in Denver when they were going 3-9? Do you know who the OC was for the Seahawks in the 2015 Super Bowl (e.g. the guy who actually called the pass on the 1 yardline)? I don't know, but I can guarantee you that any NFL organization looking to hire these former coordinators is aware of their past work. |
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Post by OleCoach on Feb 7, 2018 9:41:57 GMT -6
I would be some kind of hot though if I was one of the assistant coaches he had "hired" who already quit the job they had......That's not right IMO. I think he is scared to fail again stepping out into another team and organization.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 7, 2018 9:45:12 GMT -6
Call me crazy but I actually think being a HC in the NFL is probably easier than being a HC in the SEC, Big 10, etc. Those guys are out recruiting, organizing camps, doing grade checks, etc right now. 99% of your NFL head coaches probably sleep in and spend the majority of their time with their families this time of the year.
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2018 9:49:18 GMT -6
99% of your NFL head coaches probably sleep in and spend the majority of their time with their families this time of the year. Not with the Combine, Draft, and Free Agency all in the next two months.
And OTAs right after that.
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2018 10:09:54 GMT -6
99% of your NFL head coaches probably sleep in and spend the majority of their time with their families this time of the year. Not with the Combine, Draft, and Free Agency all in the next two months.
And OTAs right after that.
I heard an NFL assistant speak at a clinic once and he said that they'd already written up plans for each practice at camp. During a lot of college visits there were NFL coaches in the building while we were there. |
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Post by carookie on Feb 7, 2018 10:11:42 GMT -6
Not following the NFL as closely as I used to, to me this comes off very similar to something we deal with as HS coaches: not taking a job because of the school's admin. He spent a long time working for a good HC at a school with a great principal, and community support; he was offered a HC job at a school with questionable admin.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 7, 2018 10:15:21 GMT -6
99% of your NFL head coaches probably sleep in and spend the majority of their time with their families this time of the year. Not with the Combine, Draft, and Free Agency all in the next two months.
And OTAs right after that.
I don't think good coaches put that much stock into the combine. If them and the scouting department were worth their own salt, they'd be more interested in actually watching a kid play on film, not how quick some guy can run a cone drill. How many good franchises draft "combine heroes" who didn't produce well in college? I believe it was Bill Polian who said he and the coaches already knew exactly whom they wanted months before the combine. I would also think they'd take the interview process with the kids with a grain of salt. They're all trained to say the same mumbo jumbo. I would call their college HC instead. As for the actual draft and free agency, that is a franchise-wide endeavor. There are scouts whose sole job is to evaluate potential new players. College has that too but not to the extent the NFL does. Plus, I don't think evaluating potential players and draft scenarios with your staff carries the rigor flying around the country and eating dinner with kids' parents produces. Obviously neither is easy, but I'd choose the former, being that it is more football and strategy related. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 7, 2018 10:23:39 GMT -6
Not that this is at all relevant, but I have this odd hope that if the rumors about dissension in New England are true among the major players (owner, coach, qb) that Belichick says Eff It and takes the Colts job. I want to see him work his magic outside of New England to test his ability to replicate such a solid program.
It's hard to say why McDaniels jumped ship but to me the health of the Luck has to play a major role. The fact that the owner has his fair share of instability linked to cocaine probably isn't out of the equation either.
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2018 10:24:11 GMT -6
50slantstrong You may not think they "put that much stock into the combine." Your original statement I replied to was regarding time NFL HCs are putting in now. Regardless of how much credence they give the Underwear Olympics - they are spending lots of time on prepping for it, beginning of Free Agency on March 14, and the Draft. Coaching in the NFL is a 12-month job with a lot of 16-hour (or longer) days and few days off.
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Post by hammer66 on Feb 7, 2018 10:26:49 GMT -6
Didn't he just pull a Belichick. I would agree with 2 other posts. Other than Obrien the other guys were all busts. I also believe he is the heir apparent. That could happen sooner than later. Honestly even Belechick... without Brady has not had much success. Chicken or egg...
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Post by wingtol on Feb 7, 2018 10:33:45 GMT -6
Too late not to go all fan boy in this thread so...
Didn't the Colts start the whole deflate-gate saga? I bet Kraft wanted to stick it to them and the owner so he kept throwing money at him to stay till he said yes. And I wouldn't be shocked if he gave the ol "Bills getting old and might not be around much longer so..." whisper in his ear too.
These guys are ego maniacs too, they all think they are the magic bullet that will turn each team around. Just like us HS guys we have all the answers for everyone else problems. I don't buy him getting nervous about failing or that crap. I don't know anything about the guy but the older I get and more cynical I get I hate to say it but if you're that worried about family life and being around you shouldn't be a coach at a high level.
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Post by CoachSP on Feb 7, 2018 10:50:23 GMT -6
Go back and watch the last play of the Thursday night game between the Saints and Falcons. Deion Jones jumps out of the building to intercept that pass. Can't teach that.
With that said, some may not put stock into the combine, but there is merit.
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 7, 2018 10:57:49 GMT -6
Call me crazy but I actually think being a HC in the NFL is probably easier than being a HC in the SEC, Big 10, etc. Those guys are out recruiting, organizing camps, doing grade checks, etc right now. 99% of your NFL head coaches probably sleep in and spend the majority of their time with their families this time of the year. Not that NFL coaches have any reason to browse a site like this with a bunch of pions like us, BUT if they did I'm sure your post would have been the source of some great comic relief. |
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Post by td4tc on Feb 7, 2018 11:00:25 GMT -6
A successful coach needs a patient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. And not necessarily in that order. Bud Grant
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Post by carookie on Feb 7, 2018 11:01:06 GMT -6
Call me crazy but I actually think being a HC in the NFL is probably easier than being a HC in the SEC, Big 10, etc. Those guys are out recruiting, organizing camps, doing grade checks, etc right now. 99% of your NFL head coaches probably sleep in and spend the majority of their time with their families this time of the year. Not that NFL coaches have any reason to browse a site like this with a bunch of pions like us, BUT if they did I'm sure your post would have been the source of some great comic relief. I dunno man, I have worked with and met with a number of guys who have coached both in the NFL and DI, and to a man they all echoed similar sentiments. It is a lot easier being an NFL coach this time of year (in regards to workload and travel) than a college coach- for basically the reasons outlined. |
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 7, 2018 11:15:10 GMT -6
Didn't he just pull a Belichick. I would agree with 2 other posts. Other than Obrien the other guys were all busts. I also believe he is the heir apparent. That could happen sooner than later. Honestly even Belechick... without Brady has not had much success. Chicken or egg... He did actually pull a Belichick, almost agreed to sign with a perennially dysfunctional organization, but backed out at the last minute. Problem with his former assistants is that they wanted to torture themselves by coaching for the Browns and Jets. The facts that Romeo was the last HC w/ a winning record in Cleveland and Mangini was able to win 5 games (and lose 7 more by one score) with the roster he had in 2010 to me speak to how good they really are. Seriously, if you do one thing today go look up the 2010 Browns roster and gain at least a touch of appreciation for Mangini... |
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 7, 2018 11:28:26 GMT -6
but what about the assistants who left their jobs to sign with the Colts? Aren't they stuck?
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Post by Defcord on Feb 7, 2018 12:15:40 GMT -6
but what about the assistants who left their jobs to sign with the Colts? Aren't they stuck? Stuck? Yes...but stuck with a lot of money and a job coaching in the NFL. They aren't going home to Gizelle but they should be okay. |
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Feb 7, 2018 12:23:17 GMT -6
All I can say is that if Pats fires him, it will be hard for him to find another NFL franchise to give him a chance again. There is burning bridges, and then there is napalming the s*** out of those bridges.
Unless he becomes very successful, like Belichick and Parcells, he will always be known as the coach who f***ed over a whole organisation and backed out of his word.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 7, 2018 20:49:10 GMT -6
All I can say is that if Pats fires him, it will be hard for him to find another NFL franchise to give him a chance again. There is burning bridges, and then there is napalming the s*** out of those bridges. Unless he becomes very successful, like Belichick and Parcells, he will always be known as the coach who f***ed over a whole organisation and backed out of his word. I know a lot of people are saying this but Lane Kiffin was douche number one a couple years ago and he is almost back to being the prom king of college football. If you can win and stay on the right side of the law someone will take a chance on you. |
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Post by MICoach on Feb 8, 2018 8:40:00 GMT -6
I feel like most people outside of Indy will more or less forget about this within two or three years.
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Post by td4tc on Feb 8, 2018 8:53:25 GMT -6
Anybody else think the situation with the OC and DC (being allowed to sign with opposition while still with the Pats) affected Billy's mental status and their individual focus preparing for the game? You say it's the Super Bowl and they were fully committed but I couldn't help feel there must have been some distractions for all parties and maybe even for the players knowing they would be gone to the opposition the next day. Always find it weird that the league allows this?
A bit similar to NCAA bowl games with the coaching shell game. You can actually handicap bowl games based on this.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 8, 2018 9:17:05 GMT -6
Obviously he has his reasons of backing out. We will never know those reasons unless he straight up decides to tell us which I HIGHLY doubt will happen.
Also, don't know if it's true or not, but he apparently screwed over his "new staff" by not telling them about his decision to back out from the Colts job. It's one things to back out and tell someone you've had a change or heart...but backing out and not telling the guys that are leaving their old jobs to join you?
Don't know if those assistants can stay at their previous positions or not, but if I was one of those guys that was promised a spot and then found out from the media that he backed out, I would be one pissed off dude. That's one stellar way to burn down some bridges there.
And again, don't know if this is all true or not.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 8, 2018 9:24:57 GMT -6
Why do I find it ridiculous that people claim to work 20 hours a day for a prolonged amount of time?
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 8, 2018 9:36:32 GMT -6
Why do I find it ridiculous that people claim to work 20 hours a day for a prolonged amount of time? I agree. The first thing that always comes to my mind is "Wow you really suck at managing your time" |
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Post by **** on Feb 8, 2018 10:20:22 GMT -6
Why do I find it ridiculous that people claim to work 20 hours a day for a prolonged amount of time? I agree. The first thing that always comes to my mind is "Wow you really suck at managing your time" You're looking at it the wrong way. It depends on what you're doing in those 20 hours. If they do the same work you do in 10 but then take an additional 10 to read books, talk with mentors and mentees, watch clinics/drill tape/film/etc they are getting twice as good as you are every day. Everybody gets 24 hours in a day. Your success depends upon how you use the 24. |
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