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Post by funkfriss on Feb 6, 2018 14:33:33 GMT -6
Just curious, but does anybody know why coaches switched from using Vs to represent defensive players to Xs in diagrams?
Looking through old playbooks and I like the Vs better. It's easier to tell shades and tilted players.
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Post by fantom on Feb 6, 2018 14:39:11 GMT -6
I don't know. All I know is that I've done this for a long time and the only time that I've ever drawn an X was to show which one is the split end.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 6, 2018 14:42:25 GMT -6
I don't know. All I know is that I've done this for a long time and the only time that I've ever drawn an X was to show which one is the split end. Me too. For whatever reason I'll draw the offense as all Os at times but I always put different letters for each position on the defense. |
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 6, 2018 15:06:49 GMT -6
Always used V for DL; B for LBs; C for CBs; F for FS.
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Post by bignose on Feb 6, 2018 16:30:10 GMT -6
This seemed to change in the late 1950s.
Most of the text books and coaching manuals dated before this period used Xs and Os.
By the early to mid 1960s almost all coaching books changed to Vs and later to actual letters designating defensive players.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 6, 2018 17:00:57 GMT -6
Just curious, but does anybody know why coaches switched from using Vs to represent defensive players to Xs in diagrams? Looking through old playbooks and I like the Vs better. It's easier to tell shades and tilted players. the D@MN millenials did it I like using Vs to represent DL I never draw Xs for players except our X WR I use Letters that better correspond to their position (T for Tackle, E for end, N for Nose, etc.) or if i am lazy i just do a quick V to mark DL alignments i agree on your point about shading... point of the V is easier to line up than a whole letter |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 6, 2018 17:01:57 GMT -6
I just write the number of their alignment. DTS are 3s/1s, DES are 4/5/6/7, etc.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 6, 2018 19:13:48 GMT -6
I use letters for players on both sides of the ball to better show the personnel.
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Post by coachklee on Feb 6, 2018 19:35:00 GMT -6
Just curious, but does anybody know why coaches switched from using Vs to represent defensive players to Xs in diagrams? Looking through old playbooks and I like the Vs better. It's easier to tell shades and tilted players. the D@MN millenials did it I like using Vs to represent DL I never draw Xs for players except our X WR I use Letters that better correspond to their position (T for Tackle, E for end, N for Nose, etc.) or if i am lazy i just do a quick V to mark DL alignments i agree on your point about shading... point of the V is easier to line up than a whole letter Aren’t you in your early 30s like me? If so that makes your post all the more funny as we both are just on the edge of being millennials! |
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Feb 6, 2018 19:49:07 GMT -6
I learned several years ago from an old time coach (he started coaching in the 50's). When diagramming offensive players, you don't use O's or circles, but rather "ovals", so you can better show defensive alignments and techniques...
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 6, 2018 20:24:15 GMT -6
the D@MN millenials did it I like using Vs to represent DL I never draw Xs for players except our X WR I use Letters that better correspond to their position (T for Tackle, E for end, N for Nose, etc.) or if i am lazy i just do a quick V to mark DL alignments i agree on your point about shading... point of the V is easier to line up than a whole letter Aren’t you in your early 30s like me? If so that makes your post all the more funny as we both are just on the edge of being millennials! I am desperately clinging to my 20s... i turn 30 in April. I like to call everyone millennials... especially if they are significantly older than me It confuses them and they don't realize i am being sarcastic. |
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Post by bignose on Feb 6, 2018 21:27:43 GMT -6
Turning 30?
I've got socks older than you.
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Post by newhope on Feb 7, 2018 7:29:28 GMT -6
Always used V for DL; B for LBs; C for CBs; F for FS. Still do--and those defensive coaches draw everything upside down |
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 7, 2018 7:47:06 GMT -6
Many of you are old enough to be my grandson.
When you use chalk and a blackboard (remember those?) and mark an "x" very quickly, it often just looks like a "v".
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Post by bluboy on Feb 7, 2018 9:23:35 GMT -6
Always used V for DL; B for LBs; C for CBs; F for FS. Still do--and those defensive coaches draw everything upside down No, the offensive guys do. Must be a result of the sun's direct rays on their head because they wear a visor. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2018 9:32:32 GMT -6
Still do--and those defensive coaches draw everything upside down No, the offensive guys do. Must be a result of the sun's direct rays on their head because they wear a visor. At the Glazier last year there was a defensive speaker who had been an offensive guy. He kept drawing stuff upside down. I had a hard time following him. |
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Post by newhope on Feb 7, 2018 13:31:33 GMT -6
Still do--and those defensive coaches draw everything upside down No, the offensive guys do. Must be a result of the sun's direct rays on their head because they wear a visor. I ain't fancy enough for a visor. Seen plenty of defensive guys in the flip flops and backwards hats though....and a few visors : ) |
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 7, 2018 21:31:13 GMT -6
This seemed to change in the late 1950s. Most of the text books and coaching manuals dated before this period used Xs and Os. By the early to mid 1960s almost all coaching books changed to Vs and later to actual letters designating defensive players. He's right. X was common before V. But a lot of diagrams have used circles for offense, squares for defense. These days it's pretty simple to use icons of human beings in a stance. But what's amazing is looking at the Fielding Yost book from 1905 & seeing the same symbols for blocks, passes, receptions, handoffs, and pre-snap motion in common use today. It's easy to understand why things like electronic schematics became standard, but you'd think in a field like football, where it's a game pitting opposing coaches, there wouldn't be the same incentive to standardize. |
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Post by newt21 on Feb 8, 2018 7:40:46 GMT -6
I number the DL for techniques and everybody else is a letter on defense. As for offense, the OL are O's, but the center is a square with an X in the middle. All of the other offensive players I use a letter for (if it's their offense none of the letters are repeated so I can see personnel).
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