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Post by silkyice on Feb 5, 2018 9:49:03 GMT -6
This is just me being cynical. And I am actually a very positive person and coach. I just believe that games are won by doing your job, not some great speech or believing that you will do it, or pointing out that John Candy is in the stands.
Don't get me wrong, believing you can win, good speeches, motivation, etc, matter. They just aren't what wins. I do believe the opposite definitely leads towards losing. No motivation, no belief, etc, will mean you won't win.
Enough rambling.
Here is what I am trying to point out. You know that if the Patriots would have scored on their second to last drive and won, that everyone would say, ME INCLUDED, I knew that was going to happen. All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, it is the Patriot way, Brady looked the guys in the eyes and they all just knew "no way we lose", or that Brady pointed out that some celebrity was in the stands or whatever.
If the last play would have been caught and they converted the 2 point play and won in OT, same thing.
So surely Brady or Belichick said something on those last two drives. But turns out, it was just words or belief, not results.
I was rooting for the Pats and am a Tom Brady fan, so I am not slamming him, the team, or even this game. Just pointing out universal football/sports beliefs that are probably incorrect. Of course the winners can always say - we knew. We believed.
I guess that actually wasn't enough rambling, cause I continued to ramble. Peace out. LOL
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 5, 2018 10:14:40 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you're saying here. There are two teams, two head coaches, two Qb's, and to your post, motivation coming from both teams. So in every game, one side's words of motivation "work", and one doesn't. This game had nothing to do with any of that though. The Eagles made a huge defensive play when they needed it, simple as that. Belichick benching Butler was another huge mistake.
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 5, 2018 10:21:48 GMT -6
This is just me being cynical. And I am actually a very positive person and coach. I just believe that games are won by doing your job, not some great speech or believing that you will do it, or pointing out that John Candy is in the stands. Don't get me wrong, believing you can win, good speeches, motivation, etc, matter. They just aren't what wins. I do believe the opposite definitely leads towards losing. No motivation, no belief, etc, will mean you won't win. Enough rambling. Here is what I am trying to point out. You know that if the Patriots would have scored on their second to last drive and won, that everyone would say, ME INCLUDED, I knew that was going to happen. All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, it is the Patriot way, Brady looked the guys in the eyes and they all just knew "no way we lose", or that Brady pointed out that some celebrity was in the stands or whatever. If the last play would have been caught and they converted the 2 point play and won in OT, same thing. So surely Brady or Belichick said something on those last two drives. But turns out, it was just words or belief, not results. I was rooting for the Pats and am a Tom Brady fan, so I am not slamming him, the team, or even this game. Just pointing out universal football/sports beliefs that are probably incorrect. Of course the winners can always say - we knew. We believed. I guess that actually wasn't enough rambling, cause I continued to ramble. Peace out. LOL Great post. To me, this thinking is what separates amateurs from slightly better than amateurs like myself  Do I think Brady's leadership, grit, body language, moxy, blah, blah, blah have had an impact on the Patriots success, ABSOLUTELY!! Do I think it's overrated? ABSOLUTELY!! Football is a team sport, you have to have 11 dudes getting chit done to be successful. One dude putting a cape on to save the game is too Hollywood for my blood. I've had parents complain that I don't get our players more fired up before games by giving speeches or yelling or some other antics. First, my name isn't Coach Kilmer, Coach Boone, or even Coach Carter. Second, it's not my personality nor is it the personality of half our team. Third, if you need a speech to motivate you, then we're screwed. That's always been my philosophy. |
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Post by silkyice on Feb 5, 2018 10:26:34 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you're saying here. There are two teams, two head coaches, two Qb's, and to your post, motivation coming from both teams. So in every game, one side's words of motivation "work", and one doesn't. This game had nothing to do with any of that though. The Eagles made a huge Defensive play when they needed it, simple as that. Belichick benching Butler was another huge mistake. I know my post is not clear. Definite ramblings. Let me clarify, I am not saying ANYTHING negative about the Pats or Brady. I was trying to use a specific example, last night and legend qb, to make a broader point. Your point about two teams, two head coaches, two QB's, motivation from both teams, is exactly my point. Too much credit goes towards motivation, belief, knowing you were going to win, speeches, love for each other, would die for each other, run through a brick wall, instead of just execution and playing the game. You probably can't win without those things, but those things aren't what win. There, I finally figured out what I was trying to say. |
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Post by agap on Feb 5, 2018 10:46:56 GMT -6
Brady told them: "We're getting a huge bonus for letting the Eagles win this game. Do not do your job so we can all get paid."
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Post by coachstepp on Feb 5, 2018 10:48:31 GMT -6
More importantly, what did Tom Brady say to Shaq Mason after the game. Mason gave up the strip-sack to end the game. Mason will be blocking for Brady next season. I wonder what that conversation was like because that is an opportunity to show great leadership.
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Post by coachfitz on Feb 5, 2018 10:53:15 GMT -6
"Win or lose, Philly burns"
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Post by blb on Feb 5, 2018 11:00:14 GMT -6
"If we lose, I'm still going home to Gisele, but you M----- F------ are going to be out $50 thousand each!
"Let's F-----' GO!!"
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 5, 2018 11:03:25 GMT -6
Brady can't give his receivers a hard time for dropping any passes.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 5, 2018 11:09:46 GMT -6
With Tom Brady they had a strong chance to win. With Jay Cutler they could have just gone into the locker room early.
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Post by coachstepp on Feb 5, 2018 11:20:08 GMT -6
If he has time, the Pats would have won their sixth Super Bowl in 17 years. The Philly DL ate that NE OL up all night. Philly made a play when they needed it and the Pats did not.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 5, 2018 11:21:57 GMT -6
"If we lose, I'm still going home to Gisele, but you M----- F------ are going to be out $50 thousand each! "Let's F-----' GO!!" I had a kid in class say "Coach I bet Brady was butt hurt!" I said "I bet not. Did you see how many times that showed his wife...he's going to be okay!" |
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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2018 11:26:54 GMT -6
This is just me being cynical. And I am actually a very positive person and coach. I just believe that games are won by doing your job, not some great speech or believing that you will do it, or pointing out that John Candy is in the stands. Don't get me wrong, believing you can win, good speeches, motivation, etc, matter. They just aren't what wins. I do believe the opposite definitely leads towards losing. No motivation, no belief, etc, will mean you won't win. Enough rambling. Here is what I am trying to point out. You know that if the Patriots would have scored on their second to last drive and won, that everyone would say, ME INCLUDED, I knew that was going to happen. All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, it is the Patriot way, Brady looked the guys in the eyes and they all just knew "no way we lose", or that Brady pointed out that some celebrity was in the stands or whatever. If the last play would have been caught and they converted the 2 point play and won in OT, same thing. So surely Brady or Belichick said something on those last two drives. But turns out, it was just words or belief, not results. I was rooting for the Pats and am a Tom Brady fan, so I am not slamming him, the team, or even this game. Just pointing out universal football/sports beliefs that are probably incorrect. Of course the winners can always say - we knew. We believed. I guess that actually wasn't enough rambling, cause I continued to ramble. Peace out. LOL IMO motivation is more important in the off-season and during practices. Not saying you have to be a cheerleader that whole time but that those things are more mundane and easy to lose focus on what we are there to do. For games, I feel like funkfriss is right. If they can't get up for games than you're screwed. For games, it should be about managing those emotions and refocusing them on what needs to get done. |
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Post by brophy on Feb 5, 2018 11:27:36 GMT -6
All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, ......... he's pointing out that had the Patriots won, history would nostalgically point to an event when they were behind as the turning point to create the win. If there is one thing people can take from that game is how that team never displayed losing body language even being behind by 2 scores. That is what we really should be keying on, particularly with high school teams, is the focus Brady and that team exhibited when the odds stacked against them with each series. Never get too high or too low, focus on executing each play/drive because that is all you can control. Stack enough of those plays up and you'll win by default. Never let your temporary circumstance dictate the future outcome. That becomes increasingly difficult with today's generation(s) as their expectations of showing up and being a champion is how it works. Part of that mindset comes with a terrible foundation of sportsmanship, which by in large is exemplified with NFL players; where the sole purpose of executing your 3 seconds of effort on a given play is to perform sideshow theatrics for 30 seconds after the play. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 5, 2018 11:59:59 GMT -6
All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, ......... he's pointing out that had the Patriots won, history would nostalgically point to an event when they were behind as the turning point to create the win. If there is one thing people can take from that game is how that team never displayed losing body language even being behind by 2 scores. That is what we really should be keying on, particularly with high school teams, is the focus Brady and that team exhibited when the odds stacked against them with each series. Never get too high or too low, focus on executing each play/drive because that is all you can control. Stack enough of those plays up and you'll win by default. Never let your temporary circumstance dictate the future outcome. That becomes increasingly difficult with today's generation(s) as their expectations of showing up and being a champion is how it works. Part of that mindset comes with a terrible foundation of sportsmanship, which by in large is exemplified with NFL players; where the sole purpose of executing your 3 seconds of effort on a given play is to perform sideshow theatrics for 30 seconds after the play. Excellent post |
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 5, 2018 12:05:05 GMT -6
If he has time, the Pats would have won their sixth Super Bowl in 17 years. The Philly DL ate that NE OL up all night. Philly made a play when they needed it and the Pats did not. I wouldn't say they ate up NE's Oline. That D gave up 600+ yards lol. Brady had to rush a few times, but 1 sack all night isn't eating them up. |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 5, 2018 12:08:39 GMT -6
Totally off the subject of the OP but it’s Super Bowl related....
Best tweet I saw last night :
“Just remember 10 years ago Peterson was a HS coach and there was a parent who though he was an idiot and they knew better”
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Post by Defcord on Feb 5, 2018 12:18:20 GMT -6
Totally off the subject of the OP but it’s Super Bowl related.... Best tweet I saw last night : “Just remember 10 years ago Peterson was a HS coach and there was a parent who though he was an idiot and they knew better” Well at least I have one thing in common with a Super Bowl Champion coach! |
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 5, 2018 12:36:01 GMT -6
"Win or lose I'm going home to Gisele. Y'all are on your own."
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Post by fantom on Feb 5, 2018 12:45:34 GMT -6
"Win or lose I'm going home to Gisele. Y'all are on your own." Yeah, well Zach Ertz won the game and he didn't go home to Moms Mabely either. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2018 12:49:25 GMT -6
This is just me being cynical. And I am actually a very positive person and coach. I just believe that games are won by doing your job, not some great speech or believing that you will do it, or pointing out that John Candy is in the stands. Don't get me wrong, believing you can win, good speeches, motivation, etc, matter. They just aren't what wins. I do believe the opposite definitely leads towards losing. No motivation, no belief, etc, will mean you won't win. Enough rambling. Here is what I am trying to point out. You know that if the Patriots would have scored on their second to last drive and won, that everyone would say, ME INCLUDED, I knew that was going to happen. All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, it is the Patriot way, Brady looked the guys in the eyes and they all just knew "no way we lose", or that Brady pointed out that some celebrity was in the stands or whatever. If the last play would have been caught and they converted the 2 point play and won in OT, same thing. So surely Brady or Belichick said something on those last two drives. But turns out, it was just words or belief, not results. I was rooting for the Pats and am a Tom Brady fan, so I am not slamming him, the team, or even this game. Just pointing out universal football/sports beliefs that are probably incorrect. Of course the winners can always say - we knew. We believed. I guess that actually wasn't enough rambling, cause I continued to ramble. Peace out. LOL I get exactly what you are saying-- "the winner's write history". How many times have we heard the story of Christian Laetner's shot, and how Coach K told the team before hand "Ok, when Christian hits the shot, this is what we need to do.....". Makes for a GREAT story..but in reality, we all know that 95% of the time when the coach says that, the kid misses. The new southwest airline commercial touches on this subject as well..where the coach tells the kids he already booked the flights because he "knows they are going to win"...and of course the concept is how easy it is to change flights on Southwest. |
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Post by jrk5150 on Feb 5, 2018 12:50:45 GMT -6
If he has time, the Pats would have won their sixth Super Bowl in 17 years. The Philly DL ate that NE OL up all night. Philly made a play when they needed it and the Pats did not. I wouldn't say they ate up NE's Oline. That D gave up 600+ yards lol. Brady had to rush a few times, but 1 sack all night isn't eating them up. Just think - they make those two kicks, and Brady doesn't drop the ball all alone with no defender within 20 yards, and it's possibly if not likely a completely different result. And the Philly D had no bearing on those three plays being missed, they were simply unforced errors by the Pats. I give Philly credit that they really only had the one - the missed PAT. That's the difference - the Pats can usually count on the other guys making more errors. Didn't happen, they lose. |
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Post by funkfriss on Feb 5, 2018 12:52:31 GMT -6
Totally off the subject of the OP but it’s Super Bowl related.... Best tweet I saw last night : “Just remember 10 years ago Peterson was a HS coach and there was a parent who though he was an idiot and they knew better” Amen to that! |
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Post by fantom on Feb 5, 2018 13:04:48 GMT -6
Totally off the subject of the OP but it’s Super Bowl related.... Best tweet I saw last night : “Just remember 10 years ago Peterson was a HS coach and there was a parent who though he was an idiot and they knew better” You ever hear Philly sports talk radio? Pedersen's honeymoon will last, at most, one quarter into next season. |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 5, 2018 13:10:28 GMT -6
Totally off the subject of the OP but it’s Super Bowl related.... Best tweet I saw last night : “Just remember 10 years ago Peterson was a HS coach and there was a parent who though he was an idiot and they knew better” You ever hear Philly sports talk radio? Pedersen's honeymoon will last, at most, one quarter into next season. I’m from western PA. We’re taught at a young age to avoid Philly at all costs. |
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Post by blb on Feb 5, 2018 15:57:04 GMT -6
Totally off the subject of the OP but it’s Super Bowl related.... Best tweet I saw last night : “Just remember 10 years ago Peterson was a HS coach and there was a parent who though he was an idiot and they knew better” You ever hear Philly sports talk radio? Pedersen's honeymoon will last, at most, one quarter into next season. Probably.
In the meantime - and forever - he's got a BIG ring.
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Post by carookie on Feb 5, 2018 23:28:08 GMT -6
This is just me being cynical. And I am actually a very positive person and coach. I just believe that games are won by doing your job, not some great speech or believing that you will do it, or pointing out that John Candy is in the stands. Don't get me wrong, believing you can win, good speeches, motivation, etc, matter. They just aren't what wins. I do believe the opposite definitely leads towards losing. No motivation, no belief, etc, will mean you won't win. Enough rambling. Here is what I am trying to point out. You know that if the Patriots would have scored on their second to last drive and won, that everyone would say, ME INCLUDED, I knew that was going to happen. All the Patriots would say that Brady willed them to win, they knew their was no way they could lose, it is the Patriot way, Brady looked the guys in the eyes and they all just knew "no way we lose", or that Brady pointed out that some celebrity was in the stands or whatever. If the last play would have been caught and they converted the 2 point play and won in OT, same thing. So surely Brady or Belichick said something on those last two drives. But turns out, it was just words or belief, not results. I was rooting for the Pats and am a Tom Brady fan, so I am not slamming him, the team, or even this game. Just pointing out universal football/sports beliefs that are probably incorrect. Of course the winners can always say - we knew. We believed. I guess that actually wasn't enough rambling, cause I continued to ramble. Peace out. LOL QBs are like presidents of the US, they get far too much credit and far too much blame for outcomes that are determined by a large group of which they are a part of. But its just easier, and more fun, for people to cite one other person or one specific turning point and give all the credit that way. I agree with you that had they (New England ) had won people would've tried to cite one specific point as the singular reason; because thats how people are. Heck, I've had people argue with me that the reason the Patriots defense was so good during their early super bowls was they were motivated to work hard by Brady. |
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