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Post by blb on Feb 2, 2018 11:29:01 GMT -6
"Nothing is accomplished without enthusiasm."
That said, enthusiasm and toughness are equally important to success in Football.
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Post by mhyland on Feb 2, 2018 11:29:50 GMT -6
I tried to keep in mind the context of the article, it was just too tempting to go down this road to see what other coaches out there thought. Very interesting stuff.
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Post by humble on Feb 2, 2018 11:34:46 GMT -6
Im also the head girl's basketball coach and our motto is "EET"- Energy, Enthusiasm and Toughness. Enthusiasm and Toughness are both big factors in any sport.
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Post by mhyland on Feb 2, 2018 12:03:19 GMT -6
Are kids physically tough because they are mentally tough?
Does anyone have kids who are physically tough as nails but soft mentally?
What about mentally tough as nails but physically soft?
Are they the same thing, or are they exclusive from one another?
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Post by fantom on Feb 2, 2018 12:08:03 GMT -6
There are peope why are physically tough but not mentally tough. They're called bullies.
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Post by CS on Feb 2, 2018 12:38:30 GMT -6
Are kids physically tough because they are mentally tough? Does anyone have kids who are physically tough as nails but soft mentally? What about mentally tough as nails but physically soft? Are they the same thing, or are they exclusive from one another? Those are definitely two different things. The real question is which one would you rather have in a football player? Ithink you need to strike a balance between the two.
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Post by mhyland on Feb 2, 2018 12:38:54 GMT -6
There are peope why are physically tough but not mentally tough. They're called bullies. When you put it like that I see your point. I have had the kind of players who are bigger and tougher than some people on the field so they wanna go after those guys, but they dont wanna take on the guys as big as they are. We were a zone blocking team and he kept going 2nd level to get a smaller player when he was supposed to take the 1st level defender.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 2, 2018 13:33:29 GMT -6
There are peope why are physically tough but not mentally tough. They're called bullies. Don't agree here in terms of football. I have had plenty of kids that were physically tough but mentally not so much...the idea is to limit the mental activities we ask them to do...that's coaching...a problem w these kids sometimes is that they lose their cool and cost you a penalty one play and then the next make a mental mistake but cause a fumble anyway
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Post by fantom on Feb 2, 2018 13:45:24 GMT -6
There are peope why are physically tough but not mentally tough. They're called bullies. Don't agree here in terms of football. I have had plenty of kids that were physically tough but mentally not so much...the idea is to limit the mental activities we ask them to do...that's coaching...a problem w these kids sometimes is that they lose their cool and cost you a penalty one play and then the next make a mental mistake but cause a fumble anyway There's the problem with discussing nebulous terms like "toughness". We may having different definitions. I don't consider a kid who hangs onto a mistake for a play or two to be lacking mental toughness. If it affects him for the rest of the game, yes.
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 3, 2018 8:08:49 GMT -6
After spending a night thinking about this, there is no way you can create a tough team by just "grinding"...there is much more that that although that can be a part of it..IMO..kids, all people really, will fight for something bigger than themselves, their family, their group/team/brother....build trust confidence, stamina, and to me most importantly love Check out Sebastian Junger's book "Tribe". It's about how men, especially young men, operate and bond in small group teams. Part of it is told through military/ptsd stories but it applies to football too.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2018 8:52:14 GMT -6
“Hard work without enthusiasm leads to tedium. Enthusiasm without industriousness leads to unrealized potential. When combined, they cement a solid foundation.” John Wooden And a solid foundation combined with nefarious recruiting practices and a folksy grandpa persona = legendary status
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 3, 2018 10:15:37 GMT -6
Don't remember where I heard this, but I've since really liked it because it jives with my personality/outlook: there's an optimism to mental toughness. It's a belief that I can get through this, that I can do more, that whatever this thing is won't break me.
To that end, and someone has touched on this earlier in the thread, some kids have had just the right amount of adversity to make them mentally tough and some have had so much that they just say "Oh, life's sh!tting on me again? Whatever."
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Post by blb on Feb 3, 2018 11:52:19 GMT -6
FWIW my college coach was known for his enthusiasm. He was relentlessly positive and upbeat, especially in public and with the media.
While he had an overall winning record in 11 years, except for a co-championship in his third year he struggled in conference play.
After he had gotten out of the job and I had gone into coaching he told me that he had asked a couple of his former coaching opponents what they thought of his teams.
They told him that while they felt his teams were well-coached, they weren't very tough.
That always stuck with me.
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Post by fantom on Feb 3, 2018 11:56:24 GMT -6
My HS coach (Old-timers here may remember Hawke) used to say that some guys are football players and some are just guys playing football.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 3, 2018 14:24:04 GMT -6
After spending a night thinking about this, there is no way you can create a tough team by just "grinding"...there is much more that that although that can be a part of it..IMO..kids, all people really, will fight for something bigger than themselves, their family, their group/team/brother....build trust confidence, stamina, and to me most importantly love Check out Sebastian Junger's book "Tribe". It's about how men, especially young men, operate and bond in small group teams. Part of it is told through military/ptsd stories but it applies to football too. Read that and War last year..both very good books
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