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Post by tothehouse on Jul 19, 2006 11:43:32 GMT -6
Guys, most of our coaches are off campus (varsity through frosh). What should be asked of them to do besides showing up from their job and coaching?
I have seen great job descriptions for all coaches on a staff here on the board. Should these off campus coaches be held to the same standard? What if an off campus coach is a good coach, but can't commit to doing the extra stuff like the on campus guys (locker room watch, clean up, study hall, etc.)?
Lastly, how should I feel? I feel like I do way more than most coaches on our staff besides the HC. I am good about not getting on guys for not being their as much as me. Sometimes it is frustrating though. Just venting, because this is a forum for discussion. Thanks ahead of time.
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Post by brophy on Jul 19, 2006 11:58:47 GMT -6
within reason I imagine.
Just because you may be off campus is no reason to believe that you cannot attend weights or organized meetings. Would it be different if that guy was ON campus as opposed to off?
Some guys just don't want to invest in the program. period....which begs the question..."what the h--- are they doing coaching to begin with?"
I would believe AT LEAST the coordinators need to be at as many functions, if not more than the HC.
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Post by phantom on Jul 19, 2006 11:59:56 GMT -6
Some of that depends on whether they're paid or volunteers. It's kind of tough to ask a guy who's volunteering his time to do extra tasks. If they're paid then they should have some of the extra responsibilities with those tasks being assigned according to what their schedules allow.
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Post by tothehouse on Jul 19, 2006 12:04:03 GMT -6
They are getting paid, though I am not sure if it is the same as an on campus coach. Some of them attend weights (we start at 5:45am in the summer). I think they try, but sometimes I wonder about commitment, but it hard to know their commitment level. Seriously, they are committed.....to putting food on their families table. I can't get upset about that.
The solution is.....hire more ON campus personnel....which could happen in 2007.
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Post by bulldog on Jul 19, 2006 12:32:37 GMT -6
The reality is that an off-campus coach has a job he has to work. And feeding the family/paying the bills has to come first. So, most off-campus coaches will have commitments that are first made to the job and not football. The HC has to know this fact when he hires the coach.
A coaching stipend is actually payment for the work done in-season, as much as we would like to think it is for spring, summer workouts. We're all volunteers during the summer (at least out here).
It is natural that a greater time commitment will be placed upon the on-campus coaches. Their schedule is aligned to the availability of the players. If the HC wants to assure full participation by the off-campus coaches, then he will need to align team functions, workouts, practices to the off-campus coach's schedule - and job commitments. But, most HC's schedule these activities based on the kid's schedule, and the on-campus coach's schedule.
What can be VERY frustrating is when the off-campus coach appears non-committed when he is in attendance. He comes non-prepared, hasn't watched films, read the playbook, etc.
I am an off-campus DC and I probably put in as much time as the HC (we've never compared). And I work MANY more hours on my paying job than he puts in at school. BDB - My suggestion is that when you feel like you are putting more hours than the off-campus coach, you might want to consider the trade-off that you made in choosing teaching as a career. You get to work shorter hours, get to work out in the sun, impact kids/athletes' lives, and in exchange you get to live slightly above the poverty line, deal with pinheads in admin, and you get to run weights and clean the locker room. You can say to yourself, well, at least I'm not in a cubicle living Dilbert's life.
And as far as study hall, our program actually hires someone to run it. We include the cost in our fundraising - and it is well worth it.
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Post by tothehouse on Jul 19, 2006 12:46:53 GMT -6
Thanks Dog. Whenever I feel that way I usually think of the positives and that takes care of the blues. I also feel good that I am not the HC that has to take care of all of the issues. lol
Thanks for the input so far.
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Post by enzpville on Jul 19, 2006 13:45:40 GMT -6
Let's not compare teachers to non-teachers. I respect the time that my non-teaching coaches give and realize what they do. I also respect what these teachers that coach with me have to put up with as well But I don't think we should judge time spent in our proffessions based on what time the day starts or ends. I know that educators will stay up till 1-2am just to prepare for the next day or not go anywhere on the weekend because they have essays to read and grade.
The point of the intial question is what are the expectations that have been established by the head coach. If they are clear then you can't really question it. If there seems to be no clear cut description of when and what all staff members must do then talk that over with the head coach. He should be a resonable person to deal with if he is in that position.
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Post by coachjblair on Jul 19, 2006 17:36:48 GMT -6
I tend to agree with Bulldog on the fact some people that have non-teaching jobs can’t do everything an on campus coach can do. This is strictly due to the time comitment a person has to their job. For example a coach can have a planning period during 8th hour while a person that does not teach can not due this. This allows the teacher to have a lifting session here which the off campus coach can not attend. Basically what I am trying to say is that teachers tend to have more flexibility in their schedule then a non teacher, which allows the teacher to attend more team events.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 20, 2006 12:53:18 GMT -6
The Head Coach needs to go over the expectations and time commitments during the hiring process, particularly for off campus coaches. I think a coach in the building must desire to be involved with off season, summer, evening, activities where an off campus coach may have job related commitments that prevent him from being involved to the same degree. Share your concern with the Head Coach, he may have the same concern.
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Post by ccscoach on Jul 20, 2006 14:46:01 GMT -6
I am a coordinator at the high school level and don't work on campus but I make the time to make all of our functions. Why well first off I make the time even if it means going to work earlier or going to work leaving and then coming back. Yeah you gotta look at it this way if they want to be there then they will find a way to make it work. Just my Opinion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2006 15:06:05 GMT -6
I'm fortunate--I am off campus but I run my own business and can do a great deal of it anywhere I can hook up the computer. As my own boss I'm up most mornings by 4:30 during football season, working at home by 5:00, and put in a few hours of football in the morning. Usually I'll get over to the office by 1:00 and leave around 7:30. The evening is balanced of work and football. But I have some weeks where work is down so I have all day for football if I need it.
This was the option I chose. I can be at school when I want, I'm certified to teach, but I felt that I could put MORE time into football if I didn't teach. It's been a great combo.
I like the whole idea of knowing ahead of time what the expectations of each are. If the volunteer guys want more to do than asked, then they can let 'em know. I agree that it's hard to ask a volunteer guy to do more for nothing, but I think you can dig around to find out how much they're willing to do.
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