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Post by ccscoach on Sept 21, 2006 6:46:10 GMT -6
Ok so our head coach wasn't there today because he was off having a kid. So I am left to run practice we get half way through practice and I get on our QB for not making fakes then he doesn't do a good job pitch the ball on our toss so I get on him a little more. So he says something back I tell him I don't need his crap he tells me he doesn't need this throws his helment and shoulder pads off and says he quits. I go on in practice. Talk to the head coach later that nite and he says fine we will let the kid back on tomorrow when he goes and talks to him. I then see the kids mother and talk to her about the situation she says he doesn't want to quit and that he was just having a bad day??? Ultimately its the head coaches decision. What do you think should i just let it go or what???
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Post by epcoach99 on Sept 21, 2006 6:56:15 GMT -6
I would say that yes it is the Head Coaches call. However, his actions needs to be addressed. You are his coach and under no circumstance should you be spoken back to by a player. He should have to apologize to you, the team, have playing time cut and or conditioning to make up.
Make him understand that everyone has bad days. However it should not be used as an excuse. Just like someone mentioned in another thread about attendance, if you tell me beforehand its a reason, if you tell me afterward its an excuse. They can't get away with that attitude in the real world so why should they be able to in practice or games. After all our real job is to get them ready for life.
Coach Monty
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Post by coachtabales on Sept 21, 2006 7:27:19 GMT -6
I agree with Coach Monty. It really should have been made clear to all players before the Head Coach left that all assistants are an extension of him. Disrespecting an asst. is no different than saying it to a head coach.
In fact on my team, it extends down to the team captains, but that's me. That said, if he doesn't lose playing time for this I'd be shocked. I've never had a team where my players disrespect me or my assistants like that and not paid the price for it. If you guys let this slide, he'll do it again and again everytime he feels like he's having a "bad day". As far as talking to the player about it, first one to talk loses. If he wants back in, he needs to come to the head coach, not the otherway around.
If I were an assistant, I would talk to the coach and tell how I feel about it, and then drop it completely. You should be able to voice your opinion in private, but it is his decision. If you disagree with his decision, he should know. But this is not something to make an argument over. The coaches should be a united front, write or wrong.
Coach Tabales
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 21, 2006 8:12:54 GMT -6
Hard to determine what was going on based solely on your post. If you were degrading or belittled the kid, well, id be livid as the HC. I have had assistants that called kids "{censored}" or other nasty things and they ended up quitting. Coaches are teachers. IM going to say that instead of getting on the kid you probably could have gotten different results by stopping the action and teaching the boy how you expect things to be done. if he failed in his role then he needs further coaching and reps...on the other hand, if the kid is just a prima dona jerk who isnt coachable then quitting is probably his best option lol.
based on the fact that the HC was absent Id say let it go (quitting) but ask for "makeup conditioning" and some sort of consequence for his lack of respect and undermining your authority (some kids think that the HC is away so they can screw around)....
anyhow, what was your demeanor in correcting the kid? what did you do to improve his technique other than "get on him". as you can see im putting the focus on you and your actions since you are the adult and the coach...just asking for more info. please dont take it as some sort of attack. sometimes an adult is a trigger for kids to be explosive for NO REASON OTHER THAN REMINDING THE KID OF THEIR OWN PARENTS. it happens.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 21, 2006 8:20:21 GMT -6
If I was the HC on this team it would depend on the kids prior actions. If we had problems like this before, let him go.
However if this was a one time deal he would have to apologize to the coach and the entire team as well as do extra conditioning as a requirement to rejoin the team.
If he doesnt want to do it, he does not understand that what he did was wrong and his requirement to act responsibly.
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Post by ccscoach on Sept 21, 2006 8:33:37 GMT -6
Coachcalande
I get what your saying and my first reaction was to coach the kid up which i did the first few times he didn't continue down the line with the option fake and when he didn't carry out his keep pass fake then when the toss stuff went wrong I tryed to correct him on that....I can see were my post was vague. I didn't know if I was out of line because I have never had a kid react that way so later I went to our team captain and JV OC and asked them what I thought and they both said it was no different then I treat any other kid on our team. So I don't know. The head coach will let the kid stay and it will be all forgotten. I guess i will just drop the entire issue.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 21, 2006 11:33:58 GMT -6
I see....heres a way to get what you want..."RUN IT AGAIN, ITS GOT TO BE PERFECT, CARRY OUT YOUR FAKE QUARTERBACK!" (assuming he doesnt...) "RUN IT AGAIN, ITS GOT TO BE PERFECT, WE NEED A FAKE FROM OUR QUARTERBACK!!!"...(STILL DOESNT) "run it again, its got to be pefect, its not perfect without a good fake from teh quarterback" and soon the olinemen will be on the quarterbacks hind quarters. follow? TAKE THE FOCUS OFF YOU. just one idea.
btw, i go thru the exact same thing. I have a seventh grade quarterback on our 8th grade team who sometimes takes plays off (not carrying out boots and waggles or jogging on option) and i just say " carry out your fake, do it again"...he sometimes sarcastically runs 40 yards with his fake, but he knows we will keep running it until I get what I need. he performed AMAZINGLY WELL in his first action btw. I say just keep giving them reps until its perfect...certainly no criticism is needed. I use things like "we will be here all night until it looks right" ...
since this kid reacted the way he did perhaps it was personal without you even knowing it. fwiw i have a boy on my team whos dad isnt particularly fond of me...well, his son sometimes shakes his head when i coach him different from what dad has taught him...i just keep making him rep and rep and rep until i get what i need. i produce film to show him and his team mates how his "this is how i do it " attitude hurts the performance of others. i think the lightbulb has gone on...without me picking on the kid really.just insisting that its done my way over and over again. what else can i do? i will replace him in a heartbeat if i see him revert back to his own way (dads way) in a game. trust me.
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