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Post by knightfan64 on Jan 19, 2018 9:13:11 GMT -6
Just trying to get an idea we had major issues last year in terms of concussions and head injuries, trying to look for anyway I can to fix it, thought about trying to start purchasing these to wear in practice also purchasing new helmets each year. Anyone reccomend them?
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Post by wingtol on Jan 19, 2018 11:11:52 GMT -6
School we are at now had some kids with concussion issues before we got there 4 years ago. They had ordered these for those guys and a couple guys wore them for the season with no issues. I think it may have been more of a placebo and gave them more confidence. I think they are total crap and we don't use them anymore. Plus I think they also void any warranty or insurance carried by the helmet company.
I remember a Dr talking about these types of things and he basically said " If you wrap and egg in Kevlar, titanium, bubble wrap, whatever and slam it on the ground the outside may be fine but the inside will still be scrambled." So not sure how things like these make any difference.
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Post by conrad81 on Jan 19, 2018 11:28:20 GMT -6
True using these types of caps voids helmet warranty and insurance.
A few things I did in the past -
1. have the helmet rep personally size the kids for helmets.
2. make sure your weight program works neck and trap muscle groups.
3. develop a 'core development' plan and use it (This will help with squats and other lifts)
4. before each 'work day' practice (Tues and Wed), we would have position coaches meet for a few minutes on the field with their position groups to go over things. During this time they checked helmets. Trainers were ready to add or take out air as needed to eliminate wasted time. It became invaluable and our 'concussion' numbers dropped dramatically.
5. Check mouthpieces too - they should be in good shape. One season a dentist (player connection) offered to personally fit players with custom mouthpieces for $25. It was voluntary - some kids did it, about 1/3 of the team.
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Post by freezeoption on Jan 19, 2018 17:54:43 GMT -6
void warranty, don't do
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Post by knightfan64 on Jan 20, 2018 19:18:52 GMT -6
Yeesh with all of what you guys are saying it's wild that guardian caps even caught on at all
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 20, 2018 19:47:46 GMT -6
I don't think it's that wild that people will shell out huge money to CYA on unproven products.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jan 21, 2018 6:37:23 GMT -6
So all of the collegiate programs using these are putting their kids at risk?
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 21, 2018 6:40:16 GMT -6
They are putting themselves at risk with liability.
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Post by trojan83 on Jan 21, 2018 7:24:03 GMT -6
Someone said it already...NECK NECK NECK!!!! Over stress this in the weightroom.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jan 21, 2018 10:21:16 GMT -6
They are putting themselves at risk with liability. I'm not disagreeing, but man, the amount of HS/ Big time CFB teams wearing Guardian caps is pretty high. I find it really strange that they'd all knowingly just open themselves up to the liability concerns. |
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Post by 33coach on Jan 21, 2018 11:02:43 GMT -6
The new place I'm at uses them. It's a great marketing tool to parents. not sure it does much more then that.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 21, 2018 11:32:02 GMT -6
we used them for our lineman last year...we did not suffer one concussion in practice...could be anecdotal...never heard about the warranty thing
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Post by knightfan64 on Jan 21, 2018 11:46:43 GMT -6
Sometimes the PR for doing them and easing the parents nerves I think goes a ways in helping and may even be like a placebo affect. I've been amazed at the change of concussion protocol since I stopped playing high school football after the 2008 season....last season our trainer or sometimes school nurse was generally quick if anyone had any type of a head ache then it was an automatic concussion protocol and we lost a lot of kids for a few weeks for protocol. Blew my mind when thinking back to when I played....shoot I can't remember going home from practice without a head ache atleast once or twice a week, just wild the change in concussion protocol and being observant in 10 years, heck my 3rd year coaching we had a kid go out at halftime couldn't remember plays what was going on in the game, etc we took him out figured automatic concussion.....kid goes to the hospital and is fine. Blew my mind the doctor let him practice on Monday. That was 6 years ago. Just unreal the amount of information and changes that have been made when you think about it
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 21, 2018 13:38:06 GMT -6
100%
Zero concussions in practice the last two seasons we’ve had them. It also lets parents, staff, etc we’re taking initiative to keep the kids safe. Win-win.
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 21, 2018 13:47:54 GMT -6
We now have to have player/parent sign a waiver drawn up by the school district's lawyer if they want to wear one. This after the high school purchased them for the whole team about 8 years ago.
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Post by 33coach on Jan 21, 2018 14:12:38 GMT -6
we used them for our lineman last year...we did not suffer one concussion in practice...could be anecdotal...never heard about the warranty thing ive had our riddle reps in the past tell me that they void the warranty and use of them puts your school at risk if a kid still gets injured. |
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Post by 19delta on Jan 21, 2018 14:56:24 GMT -6
I don't think it's that wild that people will shell out huge money to CYA on unproven products. Right. There are all sorts of shysters out there who make fortunes off gullible or desperate people. |
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 21, 2018 15:05:23 GMT -6
we used them for our lineman last year...we did not suffer one concussion in practice...could be anecdotal...never heard about the warranty thing I could see them being effective against the 'multiple sub-concussive hits' and how they add up over time with linemen. |
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Post by freezeoption on Jan 21, 2018 15:29:06 GMT -6
again, check with your helmet rep, he says they void your warranty all the crap in the world is not going to cover your behind when someone gets hurt, even ignorance, because it is your job to know
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jan 21, 2018 15:46:45 GMT -6
Does anyone have it written down that it voids the warranty on helmets? Writing and word of mouth are very different.
It is permissible to wear under NFHS rules.
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 21, 2018 16:36:55 GMT -6
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 21, 2018 20:04:08 GMT -6
we used them for our lineman last year...we did not suffer one concussion in practice...could be anecdotal...never heard about the warranty thing I could see them being effective against the 'multiple sub-concussive hits' and how they add up over time with linemen. thats exactly why we did it..we go pretty hard in practice |
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Post by freezeoption on Jan 22, 2018 6:56:21 GMT -6
file:///C:/Users/Dan/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe/TempState/Downloads/Guardian%20Caps%20What’s%20the%20Impact.pdf
read about two pages down
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 22, 2018 7:24:34 GMT -6
file:///C:/Users/Dan/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe/TempState/Downloads/Guardian%20Caps%20What’s%20the%20Impact.pdf read about two pages down You'll have to repost, I can't see it. |
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 22, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -6
True using these types of caps voids helmet warranty and insurance. A few things I did in the past - 1. have the helmet rep personally size the kids for helmets. 2. make sure your weight program works neck and trap muscle groups. 3. develop a 'core development' plan and use it (This will help with squats and other lifts) 4. before each 'work day' practice (Tues and Wed), we would have position coaches meet for a few minutes on the field with their position groups to go over things. During this time they checked helmets. Trainers were ready to add or take out air as needed to eliminate wasted time. It became invaluable and our 'concussion' numbers dropped dramatically. 5. Check mouthpieces too - they should be in good shape. One season a dentist (player connection) offered to personally fit players with custom mouthpieces for $25. It was voluntary - some kids did it, about 1/3 of the team. You had me on the first two. I did not know this until last year, but your Riddel rep (and I know Schutt does the same) is obligated to personally come and fit your kids for helmets. I had ours do this last Spring so that we could order new helmets for HS and JH accordingly. He then came back in early August and made sure the sizes were right, cheek pads were the right size, etc. Every kid, except the ones who came out late, was put into a proper helmet and we had zero issues throughout the season. As others have said, it's all about the neck. Those muscles are the shock absorbers for your head. I would love to be able to do #4, but there's no way in he!! we could logistically get that done. Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't a couple studies come out refuting the significance of mouthpieces and concussion reduction? |
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Post by joker31 on Jan 22, 2018 9:33:31 GMT -6
Parents, parents, parents.
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