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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 9, 2018 12:23:26 GMT -6
Although it doesn't necessarily have to be an in-game decision, Saban's decision last night to bench a starter than was 24-2 in his career and go with the backup got me thinking about this.
How did it work out? Would you make the same decision a second time?
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Post by coachthomason on Jan 9, 2018 12:45:30 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB.
We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 9, 2018 12:58:26 GMT -6
I benched a three year starting OL/DL for a half because he showed up thirty minutes before kick-off. We were tied with the #2 team in the state, half-way through the third quarter and ended up losing. We put him in at half-time but he was p-ssed off about being benched so we pulled him because he wasn't performing. I think there's a good chance that we would have won that game with him on the field but I'd make the same decision every time. He knew when he needed to be there but he didn't think it was important to show up at the designated time.
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Post by blb on Jan 9, 2018 13:06:34 GMT -6
Any time you have to fire a coach or kick a kid off the team is the toughest.
Fortunately I didn't have to do it very often.
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Post by CS on Jan 9, 2018 13:18:31 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip???
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Post by olcoach53 on Jan 9, 2018 13:22:20 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? I would do the same if it was against school/team policy. Absolutely hands down. What they do on their own time is their own decision, but it sounds like this player was caught either at a team function or on school grounds.
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Post by coachthomason on Jan 9, 2018 13:28:54 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? We're a very rural community and that has been a focus for our school. The player was aware of what would happen if he got caught. He was very blatant about it, that is why he was caught. It did send a message to the team and the next few teams to come through. Didn't have to deal with tobacco problems (in a rural community) for a few years.
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Post by 53 on Jan 9, 2018 13:29:08 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? Our coaches took us to an out of state passing camp my senior year, and we had to walk through metal detectors at the gates to get in Security didn't know what the hell was going once all of our skoal started setting them off and we just kept pulling cans and rolls of it out.
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Post by coachthomason on Jan 9, 2018 13:30:57 GMT -6
You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? I would do the same if it was against school/team policy. Absolutely hands down. What they do on their own time is their own decision, but it sounds like this player was caught either at a team function or on school grounds. He was caught on the bus with a dip in (a big red neck dip I might add) with the can in the open, on the way to a play-off game.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jan 9, 2018 13:35:38 GMT -6
I would do the same if it was against school/team policy. Absolutely hands down. What they do on their own time is their own decision, but it sounds like this player was caught either at a team function or on school grounds. He was caught on the bus with a dip in (a big red neck dip I might add) with the can in the open, on the way to a play-off game. Tough call but the right one. Kid fought the law and the law won. One thing I always tell my guys, you don't want to be a cautionary tale for the future players in this program.
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2018 13:39:24 GMT -6
The hardest thing for me is when we have a kid who's a great kid and works his butt off but just isn't good enough to put on the field.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 9, 2018 13:56:40 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? At every school I've been at, tobacco has fit the same category in terms of the Code of Conduct as smoking or illegal drugs. A first offense wouldn't result in a kid being totally kicked off, but it would be a minimum three game suspension.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 9, 2018 14:00:35 GMT -6
Kicked our best player and alpha dog off team for failed drug test. We were 9-0 and had already beaten the eventual state champs. Lost the next two games and the season ended.
Despite winning region, we got a super tough draw in first round to a team that ended up making the finals. Losing that player plus two other key injuries just hurt us too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 14:29:09 GMT -6
Stepping away was the hardest thing to do for me.
I've never left to just leave, it was always work related or family related .
Leaving my last school, was really tough, I loved it there, I went through a period of what I imagine dexoting would be like.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 9, 2018 14:30:32 GMT -6
My HC kicked a kid off who was a 4-star recruit. He threw a football at his position coach and challenged him to a fight.
He ended up transferring to another school, taking two teammates with him, and winning a division title.
When I've talked to my HC about it, he said he regrets it. Not because the kid won a division title (and we wouldn't have had a chance that year even if he stayed), but because removing somebody simply for making a mistake is the wrong message and changing the social order by removing an alpha has a ripple effect.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 9, 2018 14:38:27 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. geez man...kicked off the team for a can of chew?....funny how different consequences seem harsh depending on your circumstances. I remember several of us pulling out cans of cope at halftime in front of everybody and taking dips....nobody was fired up about it but everybody pretty much looked the other way if it was drugs or booze or something I could see it, but chew seems a little tame to me....one man's opinion
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 9, 2018 14:42:40 GMT -6
My HC kicked a kid off who was a 4-star recruit. He threw a football at his position coach and challenged him to a fight. He ended up transferring to another school, taking two teammates with him, and winning a division title. When I've talked to my HC about it, he said he regrets it. Not because the kid won a division title (and we wouldn't have had a chance that year even if he stayed), but because removing somebody simply for making a mistake is the wrong message and changing the social order by removing an alpha has a ripple effect. I know this isn't a "question others decisions" thread but holy crap I wouldn't regret this one for a second. If a kid was in 8th grade or maybe a freshman and did something like that I could see how you might call it a mistake, but past that you throw something and threaten a coach physically you gotta go man.....I think I'd sleep just fine at night on this one
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Post by coachdmyers on Jan 9, 2018 14:50:18 GMT -6
I was a head coach at a school I really liked. I lived two blocks away, I had a great AD, an amazing staff to work with that genuinely enjoyed each other's company I had just finished my third year and we felt like we had made huge progress on rebuilding a traditionally losing program. Went from 1-9 the first year, to 3-6, to 5-5 with a few league wins and some close losses. We had an awesome Senior-to-be class, and the ones behind it were pretty good too. Investing in our youth program was starting to pay off, as it was improving as well...
Then my wife got the kind of job offer across the state that you just can't turn down. Incredibly hard decision. We both had good jobs. We wrestled with it, and it just turned out to be too good of a move for our family.
That team went 7-3 the next year and went to the playoffs in our classification (they'd been lower classification for a few years and gone to the playoffs) for the first time in as long as a bunch of people can remember. And I tip my cap to the guy that took over. He did a great job. I was happy to see them be successful.
The move turned out to be a great decision though. I landed as an OC at a pretty good school. Just finished my second year here and we made the state semis, losing to the state champ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 14:50:27 GMT -6
How did it work out? Would you make the same decision a second time? Yes absolutely, I wound up with some great programs over he years, been around at least 3 coaching legends in these parts, and this one is no exception, I couldn't ask for a better group of guys to be around, and both the coaches and kids ......FUNNY as hell .
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jan 9, 2018 16:13:11 GMT -6
My HC kicked a kid off who was a 4-star recruit. He threw a football at his position coach and challenged him to a fight. He ended up transferring to another school, taking two teammates with him, and winning a division title. When I've talked to my HC about it, he said he regrets it. Not because the kid won a division title (and we wouldn't have had a chance that year even if he stayed), but because removing somebody simply for making a mistake is the wrong message and changing the social order by removing an alpha has a ripple effect. A mistake is packing your home uniform for an away game. Throwing a football at your position coach and challenging him to a fight is a deep character flaw.. If you don't kick off a kid for that I have to wonder what it would take for a kid to get the boot.
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Post by hsrose on Jan 9, 2018 16:20:45 GMT -6
Dipping - I got 'reminded' in my review with the AD and Supt. that coaches dipping at practice is a no-no and almost lost the coach. Much less the kids. Drugs, tobacco, alcohol is serious here. Small rural school in the foothills. Lots of Ag kids here. 1st offense is weekly counseling for 6 weeks, 1 day/week, right after school. Practice/games don't matter. 2nd and suspended for the season, possibly the next sport season if multi-sport player, 3rd and done with all sports for the rest of high school.
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Post by td4tc on Jan 9, 2018 16:22:01 GMT -6
Putting in a freshman QB who had hardly played this year to start the second half of the National Championship game last night to replace the kid who got me there the year before. I feel kind of lucky that it worked out. But, then, I am a lucky guy and I make 10 million/year so I can afford to be bold sometimes.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 9, 2018 17:13:57 GMT -6
I guess his hardest decision wasn’t putting 48 back in the game after he punched an opponent, cursed at him, then looked like he went after an assistant coach on the sideline.
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Post by CS on Jan 9, 2018 17:16:01 GMT -6
You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? We're a very rural community and that has been a focus for our school. The player was aware of what would happen if he got caught. He was very blatant about it, that is why he was caught. It did send a message to the team and the next few teams to come through. Didn't have to deal with tobacco problems (in a rural community) for a few years. Seeing your further responses I can see why you did it. All things in context make more sense.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 9, 2018 17:17:06 GMT -6
My HC kicked a kid off who was a 4-star recruit. He threw a football at his position coach and challenged him to a fight. He ended up transferring to another school, taking two teammates with him, and winning a division title. When I've talked to my HC about it, he said he regrets it. Not because the kid won a division title (and we wouldn't have had a chance that year even if he stayed), but because removing somebody simply for making a mistake is the wrong message and changing the social order by removing an alpha has a ripple effect. A mistake is packing your home uniform for an away game. Throwing a football at your position coach and challenging him to a fight is a deep character flaw.. If you don't kick off a kid for that I have to wonder what it would take for a kid to get the boot. I agree with you but on one occasion in my career I wish a kid would have jacked a coach. The kid was a great kid. Made a mistake. The coach kept riding him. The kid said yes sir and kept playing hard. The coach wouldn’t let it go. The kid makes another mistake next period and the coach goes “that’s why your girlfriend cheated on you.” The kid shook it off but one of the assistants pulled the coach aside. I couldn’t believe it. When we got in the locker room, a couple of us told him he was out of line. He didn’t think so. The head coach had no clue it was even said because he was calling plays from the sideline. Some coaches are just dickheads.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 9, 2018 21:17:54 GMT -6
Suspending some kids. Major distraction. No easy way out.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jan 9, 2018 22:57:14 GMT -6
A mistake is packing your home uniform for an away game. Throwing a football at your position coach and challenging him to a fight is a deep character flaw.. If you don't kick off a kid for that I have to wonder what it would take for a kid to get the boot. I agree with you but on one occasion in my career I wish a kid would have jacked a coach. The kid was a great kid. Made a mistake. The coach kept riding him. The kid said yes sir and kept playing hard. The coach wouldn’t let it go. The kid makes another mistake next period and the coach goes “that’s why your girlfriend cheated on you.” The kid shook it off but one of the assistants pulled the coach aside. I couldn’t believe it. When we got in the locker room, a couple of us told him he was out of line. He didn’t think so. The head coach had no clue it was even said because he was calling plays from the sideline. Some coaches are just dickheads. The kid wouldn't have to worry about that coach, I'd already be whooping his ass.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 10, 2018 8:18:28 GMT -6
A mistake is packing your home uniform for an away game. Throwing a football at your position coach and challenging him to a fight is a deep character flaw.. If you don't kick off a kid for that I have to wonder what it would take for a kid to get the boot. I agree with you but on one occasion in my career I wish a kid would have jacked a coach. The kid was a great kid. Made a mistake. The coach kept riding him. The kid said yes sir and kept playing hard. The coach wouldn’t let it go. The kid makes another mistake next period and the coach goes “that’s why your girlfriend cheated on you.” The kid shook it off but one of the assistants pulled the coach aside. I couldn’t believe it. When we got in the locker room, a couple of us told him he was out of line. He didn’t think so. The head coach had no clue it was even said because he was calling plays from the sideline. Some coaches are just dickheads. yeah...true that I used to come unglued sometimes because there would be some dipstick that wanted to be captain butt chewer but was too much of a wuss to chew out the kids that actually needed chewing out, so he would wait till some good kid that he knew would take it messed up and then lay into them.......I was coaching O-line at the time so most of the guys I coached were solid....one of them pulls up a little before the finish line on an after practice sprint and the DB's coach wants to go off on him...all the while the starting cornerback is over there with his wang out helicoptering it at the cheer squad and nobody is gonna say crap
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Post by bleefb on Jan 10, 2018 19:26:48 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. You kicked a kid off because of a can of dip??? We lost the starting QB's on the Varsity and JV teams on the same day (Thursday) over chew. They were dipping right in front of the VP. (Maybe they weren't smart enough to play QB) School has had cut and dried rules about tobacco, alcohol and drugs for years, everybody knows them but kids are kids. Our backup QB was also hurt. We had to move our starting Wingback to QB during the Thursday walk-through, even though he never played QB before. Oh, and the game was for first place. Good news, we won anyway and the kid threw two TD passes, one on a Bootleg and one on a screen pass. Of course we also an All-World Running Back that year so that helped.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jan 11, 2018 3:49:36 GMT -6
On a road trip to a play-off game vs. a very good pass happy team, our best DB got caught with a can of chew (I'm a HS HC). Had to kick him off of the team and have the AD pick him up at our walk through. He had 9 pics in 9 games and was a a true LD DB. We lost rather badly. But I'd make the same choice if it happened again. We wouldn’t have a team.
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