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Post by coachscdub on Jan 8, 2018 19:27:30 GMT -6
Watching the coin toss of the National Championship Game reminded me of a story one of my coaching buddies told me. During the kickoff for one of their games the opposing team won the toss and elected to kick (not defer). As a result of this my buddies team got the opening kickoff, However, one of the refs came over to tell my buddy what the choice was. My friend being a savvy coach and having knowledge of the rules, knew that the opposing team made a mistake in their decision. As a result, when the second half came around the refs asked him what he wanted to do (kick or receive) he said receive and they got the ball twice.
The point of this, at least to me is to make sure that your kids know all the details, or at the very least you tell them exactly what to say. No detail is too small.
*Note my wording may be slightly off, but you get the picture.
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Post by carookie on Jan 8, 2018 19:36:43 GMT -6
Watching the coin toss of the National Championship Game reminded me of a story one of my coaching buddies told me. During the kickoff for one of their games the opposing team won the toss and elected to kick (not defer). As a result of this my buddies team got the opening kickoff, However, one of the refs came over to tell my buddy what the choice was. My friend being a savvy coach and having knowledge of the rules, knew that the opposing team made a mistake in their decision. As a result, when the second half came around the refs asked him what he wanted to do (kick or receive) he said receive and they got the ball twice. The point of this, at least to me is to make sure that your kids know all the details, or at the very least you tell them exactly what to say. No detail is too small. *Note my wording may be slightly off, but you get the picture. I was playing in HS and the same thing happened, I tried to call them on it but the ref said the coach for the other team told him 'defer' and thats what they go by. Essentially the meeting of the team captains was just for show. |
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Post by silkyice on Jan 8, 2018 19:36:54 GMT -6
Watching the coin toss of the National Championship Game reminded me of a story one of my coaching buddies told me. During the kickoff for one of their games the opposing team won the toss and elected to kick (not defer). As a result of this my buddies team got the opening kickoff, However, one of the refs came over to tell my buddy what the choice was. My friend being a savvy coach and having knowledge of the rules, knew that the opposing team made a mistake in their decision. As a result, when the second half came around the refs asked him what he wanted to do (kick or receive) he said receive and they got the ball twice. The point of this, at least to me is to make sure that your kids know all the details, or at the very least you tell them exactly what to say. No detail is too small. *Note my wording may be slightly off, but you get the picture. No doubt. We make sure and go over this. Panthers 4th down interception yesterday might have cost them the game. And that was after 2 min warning and another timeout. That along with teams not trying to scoop and score after a blocked punt that is behind the line of scrimmage are huge details that get overlooked. |
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Post by bignose on Jan 8, 2018 19:39:16 GMT -6
All a part of "Football IQ."
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 8, 2018 20:12:56 GMT -6
When I coached youth I allowed exactly one kid to speak and he had to choose to receive until the ref told him twice that it wasn't an option.
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2018 8:12:59 GMT -6
Watching the coin toss of the National Championship Game reminded me of a story one of my coaching buddies told me. During the kickoff for one of their games the opposing team won the toss and elected to kick (not defer). As a result of this my buddies team got the opening kickoff, However, one of the refs came over to tell my buddy what the choice was. My friend being a savvy coach and having knowledge of the rules, knew that the opposing team made a mistake in their decision. As a result, when the second half came around the refs asked him what he wanted to do (kick or receive) he said receive and they got the ball twice. The point of this, at least to me is to make sure that your kids know all the details, or at the very least you tell them exactly what to say. No detail is too small. *Note my wording may be slightly off, but you get the picture. Old guys like me may remember that there was an AFL championship, before the merger, where this happened. The Chargers' captain chose to kick rather than defer so the other guys got the ball at the beginning of each half. |
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Post by realdawg on Jan 9, 2018 8:23:03 GMT -6
I agree with making sure your captains know what to say at the coin toss. We go over that every week with our captains and make sure the most intelligent one is the speaking captain.
I have some reservations about telling a kid not to intercept the ball. Especially if he is in traffic. We were playing a team one week that was far better than us. But we were hanging around down 7 late in the 3rd. They had the ball and due to a couple holding penalties and tackle for loss it was like 4 and goal from outside the 30. Our HC at the time comes over to me (DC) and instructs me to tell our kids not to intercept the ball. But to just knock it down. So they throw a Hail Mary pass into the back of the end zone. Our kid tries to do what we told him and knock it down. When he does the offensive player falls and the ball lands right in his lap for a TD. Swore then I’d never tell a kid to knock it down if he had a chance to catch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 8:48:57 GMT -6
I tell my kids to say that we want the ball until the officials say that we have to choose a direction to kick.
So it goes something like this: (We dont have a home field, so we play all away games)
Scenario 1:
Official: Call it in the air, heads or tails.
Captain: Tails!
Official: It is heads, home team your call.
Opponent: We defer.
Captain: We want the ball.
Scenario 2:
Official: Call it in the air, heads or tails.
Captain: Tails!
Official: It is tails, your call.
Captain: We want the ball.
Scenario 3:
Official: Call it in the air, heads or tails.
Captain: Tails!
Official: It is heads, your call home team.
Opponent: We want the ball.
Official: Which way do you want to kick?
Captain: We want the ball.
Official: Haha, which way do you want to kick.
Captain: Away from the scoreboard.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 9, 2018 9:37:14 GMT -6
I agree with making sure your captains know what to say at the coin toss. We go over that every week with our captains and make sure the most intelligent one is the speaking captain. I have some reservations about telling a kid not to intercept the ball. Especially if he is in traffic. We were playing a team one week that was far better than us. But we were hanging around down 7 late in the 3rd. They had the ball and due to a couple holding penalties and tackle for loss it was like 4 and goal from outside the 30. Our HC at the time comes over to me (DC) and instructs me to tell our kids not to intercept the ball. But to just knock it down. So they throw a Hail Mary pass into the back of the end zone. Our kid tries to do what we told him and knock it down. When he does the offensive player falls and the ball lands right in his lap for a TD. Swore then I’d never tell a kid to knock it down if he had a chance to catch it. Did you see the Panthers interception? It was abiut the most obvious knock it down time and play ever. He then fumbled it out of bounds. What is funny is a Saints player then tries to get the ref to say it was incomplete. We go over when to knock it down every single week on Thursday. And we include that if picking it assures the incompletion more, then pick it. And this isn’t just an end the game scenerio; this is for all fourth downs. |
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Post by realdawg on Jan 9, 2018 9:40:45 GMT -6
I saw the INT. There was a Saints WR on his back. I would have been afraid that it would get tipped up. I may be wrong. I have been before. But I have a hard time telling a kid not to secure the ball if they have a chance to. The most important thing is the ball. Can’t score without it.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 9, 2018 12:06:34 GMT -6
I saw the INT. There was a Saints WR on his back. I would have been afraid that it would get tipped up. I may be wrong. I have been before. But I have a hard time telling a kid not to secure the ball if they have a chance to. The most important thing is the ball. Can’t score without it. You don’t think he could have just batted that ball straight into the ground? |
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Post by realdawg on Jan 9, 2018 12:16:48 GMT -6
I think he could. That doesn’t mean I know that’s what would have happened. I don’t claim to know everything. I promise. But what I described that happened in the game has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by huddlehut on Jan 10, 2018 18:35:49 GMT -6
We tell our captains to follow this "checklist" at every coin flip.
- Defer
- Ball
- Wind
If we win the flip, choose defer.
If opponent wins the flip and defers, choose ball.
If the opponent chooses to kick (for some reason), we choose to receive the ball with the wind at out backs.
If the opponent wins the flip and elects to receive, we kick with wind at our backs.
This sequence will never fail you. The player simply has to memorize the three options in order. If one has been chosen, you choose the next one.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 10, 2018 19:38:22 GMT -6
I always tell my captain... If we win defer, if they defer to us we want to receive, if they ask what goal to defend we want our backs to the scoreboard, unless there is a wind issue.
This year though we had an issue.. We won the toss and deferred, the ref then asked the other team which way do you want to receive. For the first half I had no idea what happened, of course my speaking captain plays both ways and on special teams. I tried to ask the ref he said to me like I was an idiot "Coach you deferred".
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Post by fantom on Jan 11, 2018 11:33:17 GMT -6
The kicking game is one area where it's critical that kids know all of the rules. You have to keep emphasizing it, too, because kids can get carried away. Here's what it can cost you when that happens
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Post by silkyice on Jan 11, 2018 12:16:08 GMT -6
The kicking game is one area where it's critical that kids know all of the rules. You have to keep emphasizing it, too, because kids can get carried away. Here's what it can cost you when that happens We literally talk about this twice on Wednesdays when we go over punt block and fg block. We then literally talk about this twice again on Thursdays when we review all special teams for that week. We also go over rules like this in one big meeting during summer camp. |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 11, 2018 12:47:21 GMT -6
The kicking game is one area where it's critical that kids know all of the rules. You have to keep emphasizing it, too, because kids can get carried away. Here's what it can cost you when that happens Yup... We had a kid one year with absolutely NO football IQ. A kick-off was ready to land out of bounds and and a returner jumped up and tossed it back into the field of play. I NEVER thought this was something I needed to go over with a kid playing football. So, instead of getting the ball on our 35 yard line, we got it on our 15. One of the few times I have thrown a head-set on the ground. I asked him what the hell he was thinking afterward and he said "I thought we'd get the ball where it went out of bounds, just like a punt, coach..". |
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Post by veerwego on Jan 11, 2018 13:08:36 GMT -6
So what happened in that clip, it was hard to see.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 11, 2018 13:31:42 GMT -6
So what happened in that clip, it was hard to see. Team blocks game winning field game as time expired. Run off the field thinking they won. Problem is ball is behind line of scrimmage so the kicking team picked it up and ran in for a TD to win game. |
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Post by newt21 on Jan 11, 2018 13:32:34 GMT -6
So what happened in that clip, it was hard to see. Team A is attempting a field goal, Team B blocks said field goal and starts celebrating. Team A picks up ball (because it never crossed LOS) and runs it for a TD. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 11, 2018 13:33:52 GMT -6
So what happened in that clip, it was hard to see. Team in red was trying to kick a game-winning FG with no time left. Tea, in white blocked it but got so excited that they ran off the field. Player from red team noticed that ball hadn't been blown dead, picked up the ball,, and ran for a TD. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jan 11, 2018 14:08:20 GMT -6
There was also the clip that went viral where a game winning field goal was very short and the deep guy caught the ball then threw it up in the air to celebrate and the FG team proceeded to go down and pick the ball up for a TD.
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Post by veerwego on Jan 11, 2018 14:46:03 GMT -6
Thanks guys
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Post by jrk5150 on Jan 11, 2018 15:24:20 GMT -6
Pretty simple - if you don't practice it during the week, you cannot expect your kids to execute on it (whatever "it" is) on Friday night/Saturday afternoon/Sunday. That goes for all levels from youth to the NFL.
Patriots/Belichick have gotten a lot of press over the past 4-5 years for the level of detail they build into practice. Was just watching some of the Youtube stuff that pops up watching those clips above, a lot of footage about how Belichick is always throwing different situations at them to make sure when it happens in the game, the other guy is the one puking on his shoes.
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Post by conrad81 on Jan 18, 2018 20:49:31 GMT -6
I have a checklist for each special team 'special situation' Review all of them during camp and then regularly during the season. The one that gets me - covering a punt and the returner gives fair catch signal at the ten and the covering players let up instead of running and getting heels on the 1 yard line looking to down the ball. I always tell the LS to stay in front of the returner in case of a muff. Also, the opposite and have returners give fair catch signal and run away from the ball, if they are going to let it bounce into the end zone.
Another pet peeve is when teams aren't prepared to line up following a safety.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 19, 2018 16:59:10 GMT -6
Old guys like me may remember that there was an AFL championship, before the merger, where this happened. The Chargers' captain chose to kick rather than defer so the other guys got the ball at the beginning of each half. No, it was to start overtime. They said, "We'll kick to the clock>" Meaning, kick off towards the scoreboard. They actually meant to choose which way they'd go. The referee asked for clarification, "You want to kick off?" Captain was confused, said yes. So they lost their choice of end to defend. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2018 17:14:39 GMT -6
Old guys like me may remember that there was an AFL championship, before the merger, where this happened. The Chargers' captain chose to kick rather than defer so the other guys got the ball at the beginning of each half. No, it was to start overtime. They said, "We'll kick to the clock>" Meaning, kick off towards the scoreboard. They actually meant to choose which way they'd go. The referee asked for clarification, "You want to kick off?" Captain was confused, said yes. So they lost their choice of end to defend. Upon further review, you're right. |
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Post by bruinfb on Jan 19, 2018 17:57:23 GMT -6
No, it was to start overtime. They said, "We'll kick to the clock>" Meaning, kick off towards the scoreboard. They actually meant to choose which way they'd go. The referee asked for clarification, "You want to kick off?" Captain was confused, said yes. So they lost their choice of end to defend. Upon further review, you're right. Abner Hayes.... the best part was his quote after the game. His team won anyway. By kicking a field goal in the 2nd overtime (with the wind now at their back). When he was asked about it he said.... "Well I thought we would need the wind in that 6th quarter" As for the original point... I even tell my captains to listen to what the other player says... If the other team chooses to kick... we should speak up right away and say "we will receive at the north end zone and take the choice in the 2nd half". Refs in our are do not usually kids make that mistake though, they will explain it all out to them before accepting their decision. |
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