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Post by 48 on Jan 1, 2018 13:13:55 GMT -6
The "Your System or Coordinator's System" thread got me thinking. I'm watching the UCF - Auburn game. UCF has an offensive coordinator (Troy Walters) who was a semi-finalist for the Broyles Award and stands to make $700,000 a year when he moves on to Nebraska with Scott Frost. However...Coach Frost calls the offense for UCF and plans on doing the same at Nebraska.
I obviously understand that there is much, much, much more to being a coordinator than just "calling plays". I guess I don't understand how it all fits together -- from preparation to game day. I would assume that Coach Walters does the majority of the game planning, practice organization, etc. But most of us high school guys have said that in order to call the offense/defense, we have to be part of the minute to minute operations to be prepared for the game.
I guess...
1. I'm curious to how it works.
2. Does anyone use a system like this at the high school level? Would you be willing to share any insight?
Thanks,
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 1, 2018 19:34:54 GMT -6
That system is fine, but the non play caller isn't the OC. I don't care if that's what his title says. As you said there's a whole lot more to being an OC than just calling plays, but if you're calling the plays on game day then you're making the practice script all week of practice. What you're describing is an assistant "to" the OC. Even calling it Co-OC is a stretch.
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 1, 2018 19:50:53 GMT -6
To more answer your question though, that type of system can work. HCs call the plays at the majority of high schools in my opinion. As long as the assisant OC understands his role then everything will be #dillydilly.
The assistant OC would help game plan, O practice structure, draw scout cards, in charge of personnel, hudl tagging, etc. The HC helps with scheming, practice scripts, and most importantly play caller.
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Post by coachjm on Jan 2, 2018 10:13:53 GMT -6
This is the system we utilize, I serve as the HC and my OC is in the box on the phones, in 6 years of working together we have developed a lot of synergy. On Thursday for JV games he is on the field and I am on the phones with him in the box. Ultimately, we make a good team because his back ground is very different he looks at the game differently. He does make many calls through the course of the game but this isn't predesigned, ultimately throughout the game we are having constant dialogue and both are making playcalls... The box coach is always building a ready list of play calls we like by situation as well and those calls are thrown out when those situations arise.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 2, 2018 21:35:20 GMT -6
I have an OC, I call the plays. I gameplan with the offensive staff on Sundays. He takes care of the weekly organization. Everyone on offense understands my thought process and we go from there.
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Post by coachadam on Jan 3, 2018 8:44:11 GMT -6
We have a defensive system that our head coach developed...mixing concepts from the 3-3 stack, 4-3 and 3-4. Unfortunately he calls the offense. We sometimes miss the finer points of the defense or don't do it the way he used to when he called defense. Also, because it is such a mixture of concepts it's very hard to go to a clinic and learn about our defense. More just techniques. If I would a coordinator I would want my own system, but definitely get feedback regarding our plan and concepts from our head coach.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 3, 2018 10:17:59 GMT -6
If I can hire an established OC or DC they can do whatever they want as long as it works. I'll call the other side and run my stuff I've honed the past few years. Here's the thing, schemes will only work as well as your coord can teach them.
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Post by coachadam on Jan 3, 2018 11:06:16 GMT -6
We have a defensive system that our head coach developed...mixing concepts from the 3-3 stack, 4-3 and 3-4. Unfortunately he calls the offense. We sometimes miss the finer points of the defense or don't do it the way he used to when he called defense. Also, because it is such a mixture of concepts it's very hard to go to a clinic and learn about our defense. More just techniques. If I would a coordinator I would want my own system, but definitely get feedback regarding our plan and concepts from our head coach. Sorry, my original post was more for the Your System or Coordinator's system. Our head coach, for only one year didn't call offense or defense. He stayed more on the offensive side of the ball during practice (O-line coach). He did his best to let our OC do his thing and the offense shaped into something we really weren't. We were supposed to be a power running team and we morphed into a heavy passing team. In WI that doesn't work too well come playoff time. We weren't really great at anything when it came down to it. That only lasted one year and our HC became the OC again and we got back to what we were good at. |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 3, 2018 11:24:59 GMT -6
We have a defensive system that our head coach developed...mixing concepts from the 3-3 stack, 4-3 and 3-4. Unfortunately he calls the offense. We sometimes miss the finer points of the defense or don't do it the way he used to when he called defense. Also, because it is such a mixture of concepts it's very hard to go to a clinic and learn about our defense. More just techniques. If I would a coordinator I would want my own system, but definitely get feedback regarding our plan and concepts from our head coach. Sorry, my original post was more for the Your System or Coordinator's system. Our head coach, for only one year didn't call offense or defense. He stayed more on the offensive side of the ball during practice (O-line coach). He did his best to let our OC do his thing and the offense shaped into something we really weren't. We were supposed to be a power running team and we morphed into a heavy passing team. In WI that doesn't work too well come playoff time. We weren't really great at anything when it came down to it. That only lasted one year and our HC became the OC again and we got back to what we were good at. It comes down to trust and experience. If a HC is going to bring in an OC to run the show unhindered then it's all trust between the two. Trust takes time. The HC is putting a ton of faith in this person. Our HC is in his 2nd year here (15th overall as a HC). This season was my 1st as an OC and 14th as an assistant (13th at this school). 2 seasons ago he brought in a Single Wing guru to install the offense and also teach it to the staff. He showed a lot of trust in this guy because they did not know eachother previously. Overall for year one it was a success. Because of the OCs availability and stubbornness to adapt & adjust he was let go, but we as a staff learned years and years of SW info in one year from this guy. Our HC opened up the OC job, I applied for it and got it, but I was always under the impression that our base offense had to be the single wing. I have grown to love this offense so I can say it's my system and not my system in the same sentence. However, the HC has very little to do with the offense. I was 99% in charge and had full reigns. Called virtually every single play this year. We ran over 670 plays from scrimmage this year and I called all but 3 of them. I am still very adamant that if you're not calling the plays on game day then you're not the OC. Seems like people like to just give out the title. In the NFL these coaches are called Offensive Assistants. If I'm not mistaken the current Alabama OC was involved in the offensive game planning with the patriots last season and his title was offensive assistant. |
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