els36
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Post by els36 on Dec 27, 2017 21:09:25 GMT -6
All,
Just curious to see how head coaches approach this. I know some head coaches have OC/DC use the HC's system. I now others who have the OC/DC install their own system. Just curious what your approach is, and why? Thought this would an interesting thread.
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Post by agap on Dec 27, 2017 21:42:50 GMT -6
Both. Ultimately HC decides what will be run on offense/defense, but OC/DC should have input into the scheme.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 28, 2017 7:51:47 GMT -6
Here's my story: linkUpdate: This year we did run a shift to some 34 look versus 10 personnel 2x2 sets, but overall it didn't really change a lot of what we did. In the off season, I had worked to marry the 42/34 looks to have the same verbiage and stunt/blitz calls.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 28, 2017 7:58:11 GMT -6
Both. If you have an OC or DC they should be the ones calling the shots with it. If not, why have an OC or DC. That being said you both need to be on the same page. Case in point when I was a head coach I called my own plays because I never felt I had a coach on staff who could call the O how I wanted it run. But I always had a DC and we had our most successful years when I let the DC basically tell me "hey we are going to do this, what do you think?" Or "do you think we should do "A" or "B" vs this formation. Then I would give my input and go from there.
I know a coach who hired a guy to be his OC and it was a total disaster too. They were on completely different pages of different books and it did not work out.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 28, 2017 8:05:10 GMT -6
Ideally, HC hires a coordinator who shares his overall philosophy and vision and coordinators run with it. In my case, I've been a DC for 2 different HC. One said run a 3-4, and he pretty much let me run with it and do what I wanted to do with it. The second had been a DC and he said run my D, heres how you do it. And I pretty much have put my terminology and personal spin on his system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 8:51:32 GMT -6
Unless they are well-known I can only remember a handful of times I've ever seen a coordinator brought into an established program at the high school level to install their own offensive or defensive scheme.
uUsually the head coach comes in with one if not both
I've never been a high school head coach but I have turned down offensive coordinator positions in which the head coach wanted me to run their scheme or to incorporate mine into what they were already doing
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Post by s73 on Dec 28, 2017 8:55:06 GMT -6
I bring in my own systems. If I was able to hire an established, successful coordinator then I would not have issue w/ him bringing in something. But most of the time at the HS level when you start a new job you don't really know what you're getting on staff, so you're really taking a gamble to let somebody run w/ it IMO.
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Post by wolfden12 on Dec 28, 2017 12:25:52 GMT -6
I think it just depends on your specific situation/location.
I think the HFC should have things he wants to run or would like to see run and work collaboratively with his coordinators to get everyone on the same page with stuff from all parties.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 1, 2018 0:18:02 GMT -6
I am the HFC. My offense I am still the play caller my system. I have told my STC what I like and he runs with it. It has been my DC's system for the past 4 years I am going to have more input on it this year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2018 10:31:36 GMT -6
I bring in my own systems. If I was able to hire an established, successful coordinator then I would not have issue w/ him bringing in something. But most of the time at the HS level when you start a new job you don't really know what you're getting on staff, so you're really taking a gamble to let somebody run w/ it IMO. I think you bring up the key point...the hire. I think this question is unique to HS football (and below) because as much as we hate to admit it, the level of professionalism with regard to coaching is much lower in HS than it is at higher levels. Sure, we can all recount stories of that guy who is coaching college ball who "knows less than ____" but the % of college coaches who one would consider professional is (in my opinion) far greater than that of HS Coaches. So, with that in mind, I think it comes down what the HC envisions the role of the coordinator to be, and to the professionalism of the person you can Hire to be a coordinator.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 1, 2018 12:26:19 GMT -6
Both. Ultimately HC decides what will be run on offense/defense, but OC/DC should have input into the scheme. How does that work? Does the HC hire, or try to cause to be hired, coaches to be coordinators who he knows to be good at systems he's already decided he wants installed or maintained? Or does the HC just say, I know you don't know from this system, but here's what I want, tell me as we go along what should be altered or decided within it according to what you see developing on grass? Or does he pick coordinators based on their mgmt. ability, they tell him they know this, that, & the other, and he picks from among the things they know?
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Post by coachklee on Jan 1, 2018 13:15:26 GMT -6
Here's my story: linkUpdate: This year we did run a shift to some 34 look versus 10 personnel 2x2 sets, but overall it didn't really change a lot of what we did. In the off season, I had worked to marry the 42/34 looks to have the same verbiage and stunt/blitz calls. Why did that post get locked?
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Post by **** on Jan 1, 2018 13:20:33 GMT -6
Think it depends on how competent the coordinator is, and how must trust is in the relationship.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2018 13:26:10 GMT -6
Here's my story: linkUpdate: This year we did run a shift to some 34 look versus 10 personnel 2x2 sets, but overall it didn't really change a lot of what we did. In the off season, I had worked to marry the 42/34 looks to have the same verbiage and stunt/blitz calls. Why did that post get locked? All posts in the "articles" section are locked to prevent comment/discussion.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 1, 2018 13:46:51 GMT -6
Initially brought in my systems bc I didn’t know the guys I’d be working with.
Developed significant trust with the DCs work ethic, prep, and leadership and gave him the defense as his own, pretty much just checked in with the plan, hashed out any questions on the rare chance there were some then let him do his thing. He left for another job opportunity so I went back to the system originally brought in (partially personnel driven as well). The guy that was then named DC was on the staff from day 1 and again, was someone I had a trust with due to watching his work ethic and prep. While the base was a system I gave we sat down and went through it in some give and take, as the season went on he added additional tweaks. I don’t foresee it happening but if he came to me and said “I think the blank defense would be much better for us bc of XYZ” I’d more than likely sign off on it.
If I had no one I trusted I’d just do both but I’m not married to something if there is a guy capable and it is sound/benefits us.
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Post by coachklee on Jan 1, 2018 14:17:05 GMT -6
Why did that post get locked? All posts in the "articles" section are locked to prevent comment/discussion. Missed that I went to that section when I clicked on the link while viewing on my phone...
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 2, 2018 10:31:04 GMT -6
Even if I was to get a guy I trusted, he would still have to run something I want our team identity to be. I've got some friends who are amazing offensive coaches and I trust their skills, but I'm not going to head coach a team slinging the ball 70% of the time.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 3, 2018 9:11:08 GMT -6
Here's my story: linkUpdate: This year we did run a shift to some 34 look versus 10 personnel 2x2 sets, but overall it didn't really change a lot of what we did. In the off season, I had worked to marry the 42/34 looks to have the same verbiage and stunt/blitz calls. Why did that post get locked? thats the article section, all posts there are locked discussion on articles should take place in the appropriate sections or via PM
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Post by coachadam on Jan 3, 2018 11:07:11 GMT -6
We have a defensive system that our head coach developed...mixing concepts from the 3-3 stack, 4-3 and 3-4. Unfortunately he calls the offense. We sometimes miss the finer points of the defense or don't do it the way he used to when he called defense. Also, because it is such a mixture of concepts it's very hard to go to a clinic and learn about our defense. More just techniques. If I would a coordinator I would want my own system, but definitely get feedback regarding our plan and concepts from our head coach.
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