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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 13:05:22 GMT -6
Coaches,
Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy
44 base
Man Coverage
Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box
Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends
3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call
Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game
v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3
to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain
OLBs will go wide with #2
ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs
ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away
This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful
Thank your for your feedback.
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Post by bmcclintic on Dec 27, 2017 13:17:42 GMT -6
Coach
I am assuming you are running jet or rocket motion? If so do you think you could run FB trap opposite your motion? I understand that kid is in a 1 tech but if you down blocked him with your guard and FBI with your tackle and possible te? Another option might be running a qb keep away from your motion with the old school offtackle trap blocking?
Bob McClintic
Assistant Coach
Brown City High School
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Post by rudyrude9 on Dec 27, 2017 14:26:07 GMT -6
What do you do on O?
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Post by coachklee on Dec 27, 2017 15:20:48 GMT -6
What is your offense?
Trips to the single side is decent as there is no overhang. Our favorite way of attacking there would be IV which is huge if that 5 Tech is vertical trying to contain! If we ever got a pull the Corner would than be the Pitch Key & in a big time bind as he also is in man coverage! Midline or Follow is also decent as we let the 5 Tech “Contain” & bang the ball inside of him.
In our regular Flexbone we are much more likely to use “Twirl/Counter” Motion to get the OLBs & Safety rolling the wrong way for a few steps...
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 27, 2017 16:30:52 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Pay attention to the little details... like,you know, posting this in the offensive section...LOL. In all seriousness if they are "very aggressive", make sure you practice against that throughout the year. To many teams spend all off season throwing on air, throwing against soft zones, etc. |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 27, 2017 18:08:22 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Pay attention to the little details... like,you know, posting this in the offensive section...LOL. In all seriousness if they are "very aggressive", make sure you practice against that throughout the year. To many teams spend all off season throwing on air, throwing against soft zones, etc. I had a snide comment ready to roll but you beat me too it. Now I feel like NIU fake punt. |
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Post by coachklee on Dec 27, 2017 18:11:00 GMT -6
Pay attention to the little details... like,you know, posting this in the offensive section...LOL. In all seriousness if they are "very aggressive", make sure you practice against that throughout the year. To many teams spend all off season throwing on air, throwing against soft zones, etc. I had a snide comment ready to roll but you beat me too it. Now I feel like NIU fake punt. Haha! Seriously though, what is in your offensive scheme?!? |
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Post by aceback76 on Dec 27, 2017 18:29:20 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Nothing new or different. Be more concerned with your players "out-hitting" & "out-hustling" his team, than out-scheming"!!! Trust me = that will be the difference! |
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Post by tim914790 on Dec 27, 2017 18:46:48 GMT -6
Qb runs. Also find you're best route runner or man beater and put him at #3 in trips. If they can cover your best man beater with ilb while stopping qb runs them waive the white flag and punt.
I also like attacking defenses that spin safeties and olb they usually spin down decent but not over enough with olb spinning back. So smash to the side they spinner down to with a shake (corner post route) conning from backside. Middle of the field should be side open.
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Post by **** on Dec 27, 2017 19:23:26 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Put a TE in the game and see if they're smart enough to move to a 6 or 7 tech on him. Run mesh/shallow crossers/picks to see how good they are at man. RB out of backfield. Stacks/bunches. Run option. |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:17:07 GMT -6
We are a wing-t team Jet and Power have been our 2 most consistent series for us for the past 3 seasons. We will line-up and run some sets out of pistol. |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 27, 2017 20:17:51 GMT -6
I had a snide comment ready to roll but you beat me too it. Now I feel like NIU fake punt. Haha! Seriously though, what is in your offensive scheme?!? Please note my screen name as you dissect my call here. If I know to trips I am getting man on 2 and 3, I will run 4 verts and speed option to the trips side. Should be able to run off the lbs and if your safety can make play then I will just stick to the defensive side of the ball. |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:19:19 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Put a TE in the game and see if they're smart enough to move to a 6 or 7 tech on him. Run mesh/shallow crossers/picks to see how good they are at man. RB out of backfield. Stacks/bunches. Run option. They keep their DEs in 5 techs for the most part 1 season they lined up head up our TEs and shot the OLBs to the C gap and DEs to the D gap or vice versa as a change up to things |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 27, 2017 20:20:41 GMT -6
I had a snide comment ready to roll but you beat me too it. Now I feel like NIU fake punt. Haha! Seriously though, what is in your offensive scheme?!? Again, I just coach the offensive line so I don’t have real offensive answers. |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:21:11 GMT -6
Qb runs. Also find you're best route runner or man beater and put him at #3 in trips. If they can cover your best man beater with ilb while stopping qb runs them waive the white flag and punt. I also like attacking defenses that spin safeties and olb they usually spin down decent but not over enough with olb spinning back. So smash to the side they spinner down to with a shake (corner post route) conning from backside. Middle of the field should be side open. Nice ideas They cover #3 with the OLB--will bring from the other side Can you draw up your route combo thoughts...interesting! |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:22:15 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Nothing new or different. Be more concerned with your players "out-hitting" & "out-hustling" his team, than out-scheming"!!! Trust me = that will be the difference! Great advice there coach... |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:24:54 GMT -6
Coaches, Love to hear your thoughts on defeating this Def. Philosophy 44 base Man Coverage Spin the OLBs and S v. motion---think Jack and Jill concept---motion OLB with replace the safety and Safety will spin down to the box Defensive alignment--Double 5 tech Def Ends 3 and 1 tackles--3 to the field or strength call Safety is typically the "5th" LB and will be very active in the run game v. Trips--Both OLBs will be in press man on #2 and #3 to the open side the 5tec DE will play upfield for contain OLBs will go wide with #2 ILBs will blitz all QB roll-outs ILBs will immediately fill their run gaps on action to them and scrap over the top on action away This is a very aggressive set that on paper I have answers for BUT over the past few seasons has been quite successful Thank your for your feedback. Pay attention to the little details... like,you know, posting this in the offensive section...LOL. In all seriousness if they are "very aggressive", make sure you practice against that throughout the year. To many teams spend all off season throwing on air, throwing against soft zones, etc. Fair Point--just tried to get it into a section that would get the most responses Good point on changing things up on the practice side of things! |
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Post by tim914790 on Dec 27, 2017 20:33:27 GMT -6
Qb runs. Also find you're best route runner or man beater and put him at #3 in trips. If they can cover your best man beater with ilb while stopping qb runs them waive the white flag and punt. I also like attacking defenses that spin safeties and olb they usually spin down decent but not over enough with olb spinning back. So smash to the side they spinner down to with a shake (corner post route) conning from backside. Middle of the field should be side open. Nice ideas They cover #3 with the OLB--will bring from the other side Can you draw up your route combo thoughts...interesting! Vs. Trips do they keep a FS or play a 4-3 box and 3 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 away? If they keep a 7 man box throw to your best match up (#3 in trips vs their 3rd or 4th best cover man.) I like shake (Corner post) or just a streak/pop If they keep a FS deep so they play 4 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 back side with fly up the field 5 techs, trap the crap out of them or get cute and wall it all down and run a shovel pass away from trips to the back or "Option" the 5 tech with speed option, if he feathers pitch shovel to #3 in trips running shovel pass path or if he squeezes keep/pitch. Can also Line up in I formation twins right. So TE left, Twins to the right, then motion a RB outside of the TE will the corner widen and nothing else change? If so run TE pop, if rotation happens or box weakens then run QB Power or Counter. |
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Post by coachklee on Dec 27, 2017 20:39:54 GMT -6
Haha! Seriously though, what is in your offensive scheme?!? Please note my screen name as you dissect my call here. If I know to trips I am getting man on 2 and 3, I will run 4 verts and speed option to the trips side. Should be able to run off the lbs and if your safety can make play then I will just stick to the defensive side of the ball. Solid answers out of Trips! I was referring to the OP’s offensive scheme. |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:43:42 GMT -6
What is your offense? Trips to the single side is decent as there is no overhang. Our favorite way of attacking there would be IV which is huge if that 5 Tech is vertical trying to contain! If we ever got a pull the Corner would than be the Pitch Key & in a big time bind as he also is in man coverage! Midline or Follow is also decent as we let the 5 Tech “Contain” & bang the ball inside of him. In our regular Flexbone we are much more likely to use “Twirl/Counter” Motion to get the OLBs & Safety rolling the wrong way for a few steps... Have not used option in the past...good answer and the false motion is something I have thought about a lot before Would you run IV with only the QB and FB and no pitch man? |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 27, 2017 20:45:58 GMT -6
Please note my screen name as you dissect my call here. If I know to trips I am getting man on 2 and 3, I will run 4 verts and speed option to the trips side. Should be able to run off the lbs and if your safety can make play then I will just stick to the defensive side of the ball. Solid answers out of Trips! I was referring to the OP’s offensive scheme. I got ya. Glad I have Huey. Have to pretend I enjoy watching my wife’s boilers since they eliminated my Hoosiers. |
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Post by coachklee on Dec 27, 2017 20:45:59 GMT -6
What is your offense? Trips to the single side is decent as there is no overhang. Our favorite way of attacking there would be IV which is huge if that 5 Tech is vertical trying to contain! If we ever got a pull the Corner would than be the Pitch Key & in a big time bind as he also is in man coverage! Midline or Follow is also decent as we let the 5 Tech “Contain” & bang the ball inside of him. In our regular Flexbone we are much more likely to use “Twirl/Counter” Motion to get the OLBs & Safety rolling the wrong way for a few steps... Have not used option in the past...good answer and the false motion is something I have thought about a lot before Would you run IV with only the QB and FB and no pitch man? Maybe. Although we’d typically bring late 2-step motion by #3 who is 1x1 in the Slot if Trips. |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 27, 2017 20:48:59 GMT -6
Nice ideas They cover #3 with the OLB--will bring from the other side Can you draw up your route combo thoughts...interesting! Vs. Trips do they keep a FS or play a 4-3 box and 3 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 away? If they keep a 7 man box throw to your best match up (#3 in trips vs their 3rd or 4th best cover man.) I like shake (Corner post) or just a streak/pop If they keep a FS deep so they play 4 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 back side with fly up the field 5 techs, trap the crap out of them or get cute and wall it all down and run a shovel pass away from trips to the back or "Option" the 5 tech with speed option, if he feathers pitch shovel to #3 in trips running shovel pass path or if he squeezes keep/pitch. Can also Line up in I formation twins right. So TE left, Twins to the right, then motion a RB outside of the TE will the corner widen and nothing else change? If so run TE pop, if rotation happens or box weakens then run QB Power or Counter. 44 team Bring both OLBs over v. trips FS is in the middle heavy v. run and deep v. pass on pass downs |
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Post by tim914790 on Dec 27, 2017 21:00:36 GMT -6
Vs. Trips do they keep a FS or play a 4-3 box and 3 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 away? If they keep a 7 man box throw to your best match up (#3 in trips vs their 3rd or 4th best cover man.) I like shake (Corner post) or just a streak/pop If they keep a FS deep so they play 4 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 back side with fly up the field 5 techs, trap the crap out of them or get cute and wall it all down and run a shovel pass away from trips to the back or "Option" the 5 tech with speed option, if he feathers pitch shovel to #3 in trips running shovel pass path or if he squeezes keep/pitch. Can also Line up in I formation twins right. So TE left, Twins to the right, then motion a RB outside of the TE will the corner widen and nothing else change? If so run TE pop, if rotation happens or box weakens then run QB Power or Counter. 44 team Bring both OLBs over v. trips FS is in the middle heavy v. run and deep v. pass on pass downs Coach not to nit pick but fs can't be heavy run and great vs. Pass unless they are d1 and you're jv. He who has the chalk last or the best coached studs will always win. Pick a plan coach it and sell out with it let the kids decide it. If you lose don't be the reason |
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Post by **** on Dec 27, 2017 21:03:29 GMT -6
Vs. Trips do they keep a FS or play a 4-3 box and 3 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 away? If they keep a 7 man box throw to your best match up (#3 in trips vs their 3rd or 4th best cover man.) I like shake (Corner post) or just a streak/pop If they keep a FS deep so they play 4 on 3 to trips and 1 on 1 back side with fly up the field 5 techs, trap the crap out of them or get cute and wall it all down and run a shovel pass away from trips to the back or "Option" the 5 tech with speed option, if he feathers pitch shovel to #3 in trips running shovel pass path or if he squeezes keep/pitch. Can also Line up in I formation twins right. So TE left, Twins to the right, then motion a RB outside of the TE will the corner widen and nothing else change? If so run TE pop, if rotation happens or box weakens then run QB Power or Counter. 44 team Bring both OLBs over v. trips FS is in the middle heavy v. run and deep v. pass on pass downs Put trips in the boundary and run the fuk out of speed/load option to the field. |
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Post by CS on Dec 28, 2017 6:04:55 GMT -6
Have not used option in the past...good answer and the false motion is something I have thought about a lot before Would you run IV with only the QB and FB and no pitch man? Maybe. Although we’d typically bring late 2-step motion by #3 who is 1x1 in the Slot if Trips. Man I was thinking mid triple away from trips with twirl motion would be money against that look |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 28, 2017 7:35:48 GMT -6
Pay attention to the little details... like,you know, posting this in the offensive section...LOL. In all seriousness if they are "very aggressive", make sure you practice against that throughout the year. To many teams spend all off season throwing on air, throwing against soft zones, etc. Fair Point--just tried to get it into a section that would get the most responses  Really? Props for being honest I guess. I would have probably lied and said I messed up, or was using a mobile phone and couldn't figure it out as opposed to basically saying that I didn't really give a chit about any of the decorum or Huey's forum and just wanted to do what I thought was best for myself. |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 28, 2017 7:44:02 GMT -6
44 team Bring both OLBs over v. trips FS is in the middle heavy v. run and deep v. pass on pass downs Coach not to nit pick but fs can't be heavy run and great vs. Pass unless they are d1 and you're jv. He who has the chalk last or the best coached studs will always win. Pick a plan coach it and sell out with it let the kids decide it. If you lose don't be the reason Should have been more specific... D&D specific...short yardage he is playing around 8 yards...long yardage playing back |
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Post by ryanculloty on Dec 28, 2017 7:59:50 GMT -6
Fair Point--just tried to get it into a section that would get the most responses Really? Props for being honest I guess. I would have probably lied and said I messed up, or was using a mobile phone and couldn't figure it out as opposed to basically saying that I didn't really give a chit about any of the decorum or Huey's forum and just wanted to do what I thought was best for myself. Sorry there coach...If I put it into the def. section I will get quality responses from DCs and most Def minded types chiming in which is good...but may have missed something from an Offensive view-point and OCs that would say I would attack here....so therein lies the thinking---Trying to get the most well rounded answer This is the General section, there are a magnitude of different topics here--didn't see that posting this here was a major violation po...but if so...please report this to the moderator and remove the tread |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 28, 2017 8:11:19 GMT -6
Really? Props for being honest I guess. I would have probably lied and said I messed up, or was using a mobile phone and couldn't figure it out as opposed to basically saying that I didn't really give a chit about any of the decorum or Huey's forum and just wanted to do what I thought was best for myself. Sorry there coach...If I put it into the def. section I will get quality responses from DCs and most Def minded types chiming in which is good...but may have missed something from an Offensive view-point and OCs that would say I would attack here....so therein lies the thinking---Trying to get the most well rounded answer This is the General section, there are a magnitude of different topics here--didn't see that posting this here was a major violation po...but if so...please report this to the moderator and remove the tread Sorry for the snark, apparently I woke up today and became my parents. I think some of it was fueled by my morning car line duty position, where I see a handful of parents bypassing the car line to drop their kids off, which invariably holds up all of those waiting in line because the crossing guard now stops the exit flow of traffic. The phrase "What if everyone decided to do this" comes to mind. That is kind of the point. But again, not sure why I arrived here in a bad mood. |
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