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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 27, 2017 0:17:28 GMT -6
Not making a criticism, just raising a question. Do you think a kid benefits physically from playing his senior year of high school, enough to warrant finishing 12th grade? I realize MD's athletes are not the athletes I typically see but there is a significant transformation in the athletes from 11th to 12th grade in the programs I've been part of. If you are asking "Would this kid be a bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced, more mature athlete if he enrolled as part of the Class of 2019 as opposed to 2018, I would say the answer is almost assuredly yes" Does that matter to USC? Probably not. Also, as others have mentioned, it is likely this student probably is in the same age range as many of the Class of 2018. It could be argued one of the reasons contributing to his success is that he is older than his peers. As someone mentioned, Outliers has a very indepth look at the very skewed distribution of birthdays exhibited by both the NHL and Canadian Jr National Hockey team members. (According to the author and the data he used, between 35% and 40% of the CJNH team members are born in Jan, Feb, or March compared to just 10-15% of members being born Oct, Nov, or December. For the NHL it is 30-35% in the 1st quarter compared to 12-18% in the last) .
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Post by gamecock303 on Dec 27, 2017 9:43:44 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure the same thing happened with South Carolina’s QB, I’m not for sure if it’s exactly the same but I know he didn’t go to high school his senior year Yea Bentley skipped his senior year of high school to enroll at Carolina. I think he moved back to the district his dad used to coach at to finish up his coursework over the summer because there was some problem with doing it in Alabama. Of course he was a few months older than the other true freshman QB that Carolina had in 2016.
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Post by pitt1980 on Dec 27, 2017 11:18:32 GMT -6
I don't really know the depth chart situation at USC enough to have an informed take on it,
but, QB recruiting tends to have a lot of timing issues involved
maybe they felt that they needed a QB in this class for the depth chart in case Darnold leaves early,
kid knew that's where he wanted to go, didn't want them recruiting another QB in the year ahead of him, this is a way to prevent that
idk, maybe if Darnold leaves, this kid really is good enough to compete for the starting job next year (seems crazy, but who knows), and he doesn't want to give another kid the chance to establish themselves as the starter before he gets there (which seems like what has happened at Alabama with Tua Tagovailoa)
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seems like it would be best for him if Darnold sticks around for a year and then he competes for the job with a year in the system under his belt
guess we'll see
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Post by jlenwood on Dec 27, 2017 21:04:35 GMT -6
I think he just enrolled early so he could be a part of spring ball if memory serves right. Yeah, that seems to be fairly common. In this case, the kid is deciding to forgo his senior football season to enroll early. Also, makes me wonder if so many can do that (mid year enrollments or the more rare example being discussed here) just what are the necessary qualifications? I think in his situation, the necessary qualifications were that he could throw the ball! In the words of Cardalle Jones "He ain't go there to play school".
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 27, 2017 21:30:18 GMT -6
Last year there was a kid from our state who wanted to graduate early to enroll in the spring at a Power 5 school. I know one of the requirements was he had to have his high school diploma. In this case the kid attended a private school that didn't allow for an early graduation. So what happened was some time between the end of football season (first week of December here) and the end of the fall semester, the kid transferred to his "zoned school" which did allow for early graduation and did whatever he needed to do to get that taken care of and get his diploma.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 28, 2017 7:55:51 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure the same thing happened with South Carolina’s QB, I’m not for sure if it’s exactly the same but I know he didn’t go to high school his senior year Yea Bentley skipped his senior year of high school to enroll at Carolina. I think he moved back to the district his dad used to coach at to finish up his coursework over the summer because there was some problem with doing it in Alabama. Of course he was a few months older than the other true freshman QB that Carolina had in 2016. he had redshirted prior to starting middle school, so he ended up right where he should have been.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 28, 2017 8:14:48 GMT -6
I'm really addressing to the larger question about completing high school and moving on to the next level; WHY DOES IT MATTER WHEN A KID GRADUATES?? Education is so far behind the times it isn't even funny. Education acts like the most important thing about a kid is their 'date of manufacture'. My middle son is currently a freshman in high school. Except for math and maybe some of those 'well rounded' diploma requirements, he is ready to study college level courses in history, English, and science. In fact he has been in English class before and knew more about the novel they were working on than his teacher did. When it comes to history, he can literally sit in class and read comic books and be ready for the tests/quizzes. My point isn't how smart my son is, but rather why does Education have to track kids in the manner of 'the class of 20218'? If a 6th grader is on track in 6th grade math, but ready for HS freshman history; why no let him go ahead? The same can be true for athletes. Physiologically, I get the advantage of holding a kid back so that he is older than his peers, but who gains from preventing a kid that is physically ready for college football (or any sport for that matter) skipping his senior year? Here's a TED Talk that touches on the subject: linkSorry if I'm hijacking the thread, but "So, what?" is all that kept going through my head while reading.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 28, 2017 8:34:53 GMT -6
I'm really addressing to the larger question about completing high school and moving on to the next level; WHY DOES IT MATTER WHEN A KID GRADUATES?? Education is so far behind the times it isn't even funny. Education acts like the most important thing about a kid is their 'date of manufacture'. My middle son is currently a freshman in high school. Except for math and maybe some of those 'well rounded' diploma requirements, he is ready to study college level courses in history, English, and science. In fact he has been in English class before and knew more about the novel they were working on than his teacher did. When it comes to history, he can literally sit in class and read comic books and be ready for the tests/quizzes. My point isn't how smart my son is, but rather why does Education have to track kids in the manner of 'the class of 20218'? If a 6th grader is on track in 6th grade math, but ready for HS freshman history; why no let him go ahead? The same can be true for athletes. Physiologically, I get the advantage of holding a kid back so that he is older than his peers, but who gains from preventing a kid that is physically ready for college football (or any sport for that matter) skipping his senior year? Here's a TED Talk that touches on the subject: linkSorry if I'm hijacking the thread, but "So, what?" is all that kept going through my head while reading. This is what I was alluding to when I said "just what are the necessary qualifications". I must have had a brain fart and not completed my thoughts. Basically, I was asking-- if kids (and keep in mind the kids we are discussing generally aren't the most prominent academics) are "ready" to go to college in January...why aren't all of the other students? Why do they have to return to HS? I agree with your assessment, and offer (unfortunately) what I think is the biggest barrier to actual real education reform: Public Education has shifted from an academic endeavor to essentially a multi service child wellness endeavor. As long as child supervision is on equal footing with academic pursuits as the major emphasis of public schools, it is tough to change anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 10:53:56 GMT -6
Yes, but in basketball it seems AAU will soon become, if it is not already considered "more important" than HS basketball. Basketball guys are already playing best against the best from middle school ages. HS football is the "big thing". Just seems like such a mercenary move to skip your senior year of high school to go play college ball. Along those lines, I wonder if the kid is already "older". I know here in Louisiana one of the greatest LSU players in history Tommy Cassanova raised a big stink about HS players ages when he was in the state legislature, once stating that it shocked him that so many players were 18-19 year olds playing in HS, because when he was 19 he was a sophomore corner playing in the SEC (Made all SEC, and All America soph, jr, sr years) on a defense that gave up 9 points a game. About 15 ago, there was a documentary titled "Go Tigers" about the football program at Massillon Washington High School in Ohio. According to the film, it was a fairly common practice for parents to "redshirt" their football-playing some by voluntarily holding them back in 7th or 8th grade. As a result, the number of 18 and 19 year old seniors on the varsity football team certainly raised eyebrows. There's a small country school near me in VA who used to do the same thing. They were a small school powerhouse for decades, winning multiple state titles or losing in the championship or semis pretty regularly. I had family who went to that school and heard this from them and their parents firsthand that they were being pushed by the varsity coaches to repeat the 7th or 8th grade for football. They'd really sell how much better it make them at the varsity level and how they'd be hurting and behind if they didn't do it. Well, a few years ago the state made some sort of rules change to end that practice and it just affected them recently. They're 9-22 the past two years and everyone's blaming the new HC, who didn't come in until 2 years ago.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 1, 2018 0:20:21 GMT -6
This kid is physically ready to play college ball. Let him go.
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Post by navin on Jan 19, 2018 18:45:20 GMT -6
I had the misfortune of coaching against the kid a couple of times... It is really hard to see him improving on what he has already done through his Junior year at the high school level. He called plays his Sophomore year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2018 11:45:01 GMT -6
I had the misfortune of coaching against the kid a couple of times... It is really hard to see him improving on what he has already done through his Junior year at the high school level. He called plays his Sophomore year. Yes, but part of my consternation is that we are only discussing the football aspect... which is only a small aspect of life.
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Post by blb on Jan 20, 2018 14:33:43 GMT -6
The Sheldon Coopers of the HS Football world.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2018 14:49:24 GMT -6
The Sheldon Coopers of the HS Football world. Perhaps...but even though Sheldon is a fictitious character, it is a little different because My point is that these HS kids FIT IN with all of the other HS kids on all the levels except for football. I get it, many if not most of these kids leaving "early" enjoyed HS success in part because they were older than their counterparts and it's not like an 18 year old going to the NBA and having to go from sitting in chemistry (or more likely, financial math) to living the life of a high paid professional athlete. But it still makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, and it also makes me question the system for everyone.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 20, 2018 15:00:55 GMT -6
This is a little different. I have been told that when Pat Tillman was a freshmen at ASU, Bruce Snyder told him that he will be redshirting his Freshmen year. Tillman said "I'm not going to redshirt", Snyder tried to explain the benefits of redshirting.
Tillman said "look coach, you don't have to play me a down, but I'm graduating in four years, and then plan on making money, so use me as you see fit while I'm around"...
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Post by coachgreen05 on Jan 23, 2018 7:23:04 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure the same thing happened with South Carolina’s QB, I’m not for sure if it’s exactly the same but I know he didn’t go to high school his senior year He was behind in school
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Post by ryanhath on Jan 23, 2018 8:35:39 GMT -6
High School seniors with a big time scholarship is sad enough, unfortunately you see many kids and parents doing with 8th graders! Most of these kids have little chance of ever playing big time college athletics, let alone pros. The message is clear to the kids from their parents and even the complicit schools, athletics comes before academics. As bad as it is in football, hockey and basketball are worse.
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