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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 6, 2017 12:42:21 GMT -6
What are examples of an administration that supports athletic programs?
What does a building principal or assistant principal do (as specifically as possible)?
What activities does a Superintendent take part in that promote programs?
As I complete my credentials for admin. I would like to know what kinds of things are interpreted as lip service verses sincere effort.
I am not sure I ever want to take an admin position that does not allow for coaching but......
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Post by coachfrigo on Dec 6, 2017 13:26:44 GMT -6
While not ideal, I like admins that butt out. Hate admins with ex-coaches on them.
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Post by crock1615 on Dec 6, 2017 13:31:16 GMT -6
a couple of things off the top of my head,
filling open teaching spots with coaches.
Giving coaches that teach in the building last period planning.
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Post by **** on Dec 6, 2017 13:54:17 GMT -6
What are examples of an administration that supports athletic programs? What does a building principal or assistant principal do (as specifically as possible)? What activities does a Superintendent take part in that promote programs? As I complete my credentials for admin. I would like to know what kinds of things are interpreted as lip service verses sincere effort. I am not sure I ever want to take an admin position that does not allow for coaching but...... They leave you alone and just support you behind the scenes. AD/Principals take your input when building schedule, has your back with parent complaints, and don't question what you're doing scheme wise. Also fills open teaching spots with coaches and you have input on who they are. Gets you competent refs. Leave you alone (for the most part) in the classroom. Superintendent same as above and will help with money for any random unexpected expenses... charter buses for long road games, hotels for long road games, food to feed players. Fills open teaching spots with coaches. They show up to games and handle all the little bullchit that the cheer coach, band director, and dumb fuk parent want to complain about. Somebody that won't cower down or avoid conflict. They understand that sports is the lifeblood of the school district. You don't want an admin that coached at your current school and is all time whatever and doesn't want you to outshine them. Former coaches are usually better to have as an admin because they understand the time commitment but not all are great to have. Preferably they are not the head coach of another sport either. |
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 6, 2017 14:30:57 GMT -6
bad administrative support I've been around
- we had a guy leave late to take a job that couldn't be passed up, nobody blamed him but it left us in a bind for hiring, not only was it late and we weren't likely to get a great candidate, the teaching field was physics. So when the HC asked the principal if they could loosen up that teaching field a little, get somebody else to do physics and let me bring in a biology or life sciences guy...they said no...the department head didn't want to move anybody so that was that. We ended up not hiring the spot and coaching that year short a coach.
- Once had a freshman algebra teacher (first year teacher!) at a small school fail 80% of the freshman team the 1st six weeks...we went from having two teams to having 1 with 15 kids on it.....principal said her hands were tied, the kids just didn't make the grades
stuff like that
good administration understands the difficulties of the athletics and tries to meet the football team halfway, bad administration is when the teachers, department heads, and principal treat the football team like its an adversary that they need to vanquish
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 6, 2017 16:56:32 GMT -6
bad administrative support I've been around - we had a guy leave late to take a job that couldn't be passed up, nobody blamed him but it left us in a bind for hiring, not only was it late and we weren't likely to get a great candidate, the teaching field was physics. So when the HC asked the principal if they could loosen up that teaching field a little, get somebody else to do physics and let me bring in a biology or life sciences guy...they said no...the department head didn't want to move anybody so that was that. We ended up not hiring the spot and coaching that year short a coach. - Once had a freshman algebra teacher (first year teacher!) at a small school fail 80% of the freshman team the 1st six weeks...we went from having two teams to having 1 with 15 kids on it.....principal said her hands were tied, the kids just didn't make the grades stuff like that good administration understands the difficulties of the athletics and tries to meet the football team halfway, bad administration is when the teachers, department heads, and principal treat the football team like its an adversary that they need to vanquish First year teacher story^ that happens a lot believe or not. |
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Post by coachriley on Dec 6, 2017 20:57:13 GMT -6
bad administrative support I've been around - we had a guy leave late to take a job that couldn't be passed up, nobody blamed him but it left us in a bind for hiring, not only was it late and we weren't likely to get a great candidate, the teaching field was physics. So when the HC asked the principal if they could loosen up that teaching field a little, get somebody else to do physics and let me bring in a biology or life sciences guy...they said no...the department head didn't want to move anybody so that was that. We ended up not hiring the spot and coaching that year short a coach. - Once had a freshman algebra teacher (first year teacher!) at a small school fail 80% of the freshman team the 1st six weeks...we went from having two teams to having 1 with 15 kids on it.....principal said her hands were tied, the kids just didn't make the grades stuff like that good administration understands the difficulties of the athletics and tries to meet the football team halfway, bad administration is when the teachers, department heads, and principal treat the football team like its an adversary that they need to vanquish First year teacher story^ that happens a lot believe or not. Hell, you can't fail my class now unless you literally do nothing. I allow for make ups at any time and allow for essays to take the place of damn near any assignment. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 6, 2017 21:03:26 GMT -6
First year teacher story^ that happens a lot believe or not. Hell, you can't fail my class now unless you literally do nothing. I allow for make ups at any time and allow for essays to take the place of damn near any assignment. Sounds like my class, I do put a time limit for make up work, everything is due no later than the end of the 7th week of the 9weeks Heck I allow notes for each test, and for all the correct notes those count as bonus points, I even give them 5 bonus points for putting a book cover on their books . Out of 4 classes and 78 students, I only had 2 students do this! |
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Post by coachriley on Dec 6, 2017 21:09:34 GMT -6
Hell, you can't fail my class now unless you literally do nothing. I allow for make ups at any time and allow for essays to take the place of damn near any assignment. Sounds like my class, I do put a time limit for make up work, everything is due no later than the end of the 7th week of the 9weeks Heck I allow notes for each test, and for all the correct notes those count as bonus points, I even give them 5 bonus points for putting a book cover on their books . Out of 4 classes and 78 students, I only had 2 students do this! My district allows "mastery of the subject" to occur at any time, do we can't put time limits on assignments unless it was expressly stated in our class syllabus, and this is my 1st year in the district, so of course I didn't state anything about that. And 3 of my classes are senior courses so they need my course to graduate, and I still have like 4 kids out of 85 that will fail this course. Then I get the joy of having them twice next semester so they can try and make up the course. |
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Post by spartan on Dec 6, 2017 22:06:54 GMT -6
OMG millenials,.............. J/k sort of.
Its liek the hall of fame, you either have it or you don't. You know when you don;t. if you have to make an argument, you don't
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Post by Defcord on Dec 7, 2017 6:59:24 GMT -6
First year teacher story^ that happens a lot believe or not. Hell, you can't fail my class now unless you literally do nothing. I allow for make ups at any time and allow for essays to take the place of damn near any assignment. I fail very few kids. I tell them you can be: A jerk but smart and pass or respectful but dumb and pass but if you are a dumb jerk you are going to fail. |
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Post by newhope on Dec 7, 2017 8:22:23 GMT -6
1. They let you hire staff. When there are teaching positions open, they give you a chance to fill them with a coach when you need one. Department chairs don't get to be anti-coach.
2. They get your kids into weight training classes. They put a real effort into getting them scheduled properly.
3. They don't bother you with silly parent complaints and they don't pay attention to them unless it's something serious.
4. They support you financially with what you need.
5. They show up at games.
6. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT ATHLETICS, AND PARTICULARLY FOOTBALL, ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF A SUCCESSFUL SCHOOL!
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Post by 50slantstrong on Dec 7, 2017 19:59:59 GMT -6
I used to work as a position coach at a school without a lick of talent but the admin had our backs
Some of the things they did for us include:
-Getting me and another one of our position coaches jobs as resident subs (this was while I was working on my credential)
-Making sure our players had the right teachers (this school had at least a dozen teachers whose fail rates were 60%<)
-Let us skip work to go hang out with some local college coaches and signed it off as "professional development" hours
-Giving the head coach a 6/6 in which his 6th class was an online credit recovery class with less than 10 kids in it
All of that on top of fielding parent complaints and not letting it become an issue with the coaching staff's ability to coach
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Post by Coach Vint on Dec 8, 2017 10:28:45 GMT -6
A principal from a very successful school told me he tries to do the following:
Common conference periods for coaches
Coaches teaching non-core courses
Coaches with no more than two preps. One if it is possible.
Coaches get full day subs on game days.
Get kids out of school as early as possible for road games, and 2 period early for home games.
All parent complaints are referred to the coach/AD. If they haven't talked to the coach, the admin doesn't want to hear it.
He was a former coach, and understands the time coaches put into the job. He says they usually can do this for all of their coaches, but occasionally they have to make adjustments. He asks in return that the coaches do well in the classroom and are willing to take on additional duties whenever needed.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 8, 2017 11:40:56 GMT -6
Good administrators don't put up road blocks to success. They help take them down.
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 8, 2017 12:27:08 GMT -6
While not ideal, I like admins that butt out. Hate admins with ex-coaches on them. truth....seems to me that guys get out of coaching and become assistant principals they immediately start crapping on the coaching staff to prove their chops to the other principals. Or they are just way too involved for anybody's well being I knew a guy that interviewed for a HC job at a little bitty school out in west tx but they had some oil money, they paid great, and their facilities were top of the line so he was interested. the principal was the former head coach who had won state there in like 79 or some such principal tells the guy "this freshman class coming is the most talented team we've had since the group that won state" the dude I know was all fired up about it...I told him to run away as far and as fast as possible. Ya damn sure don't want the local legend leaning over your desk every freaking week talking about how he did it back in his day. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 8, 2017 13:02:28 GMT -6
A principal from a very successful school told me he tries to do the following: Common conference periods for coaches Coaches teaching non-core courses Coaches with no more than two preps. One if it is possible. Coaches get full day subs on game days. Get kids out of school as early as possible for road games, and 2 period early for home games. All parent complaints are referred to the coach/AD. If they haven't talked to the coach, the admin doesn't want to hear it. He was a former coach, and understands the time coaches put into the job. He says they usually can do this for all of their coaches, but occasionally they have to make adjustments. He asks in return that the coaches do well in the classroom and are willing to take on additional duties whenever needed. Overall, this is awesome...but why would a coach need a full day sub on game day and why would kids need dismissed early for a home game? |
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Post by Coach Vint on Dec 8, 2017 14:06:24 GMT -6
A principal from a very successful school told me he tries to do the following: Common conference periods for coaches Coaches teaching non-core courses Coaches with no more than two preps. One if it is possible. Coaches get full day subs on game days. Get kids out of school as early as possible for road games, and 2 period early for home games. All parent complaints are referred to the coach/AD. If they haven't talked to the coach, the admin doesn't want to hear it. He was a former coach, and understands the time coaches put into the job. He says they usually can do this for all of their coaches, but occasionally they have to make adjustments. He asks in return that the coaches do well in the classroom and are willing to take on additional duties whenever needed. Overall, this is awesome...but why would a coach need a full day sub on game day and why would kids need dismissed early for a home game? When your road games are 2.5 to 3.5 hours away, having a full day sub allows us to get everything ready for the trip without scrambling. Typically we don't get this luxury, but this principal I visited with makes sure his coaches are taken care of. Our admin is very supportive, but our sub is based on the distance of the game we are playing. We teach the whole day for home games. For road games, we typically get a half day subs unless the game is 3 hours away or more. Then we get a full day sub. I was at a school where we got them out at 2:00 for home games. This isn't very early, but we ate our pregame meal at 2. We had an hour to eat before they started to get dressed. Once they got dressed we had quiet time for one hour. We turned the lights out and they got mentally focused. If we had a pep rally we would only have a 30 minute quiet time. The admin team covered any classes that coaches had after 2. I have been places where they are in school the whole day as well. It didn't hinder us, but it sure was nice to get them a little bit early. |
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