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Post by bigmoot on Dec 5, 2017 15:39:55 GMT -6
we had several guys not show up for Tha. annual awards night because "they weren't gettin nothing."
what if anything would you do, how would you handle this?
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Post by fkaboneyard on Dec 5, 2017 16:02:07 GMT -6
We always encourage all the players to attend the awards night and tell them it's going to be a great night whether they were a star or a scout player. At the programs I've been in we always talk about every single kid, JV and varsity. Somebody puts a video together and every kid is included in it, whether they play a lot or a little. Every kid is acknowledged in some way. Still, there are always some kids that don't show up. In my experience, those kids are the turds that weren't really dedicated during the season so it's not surprising that they don't show up after the season. There's really not much you can do about it other than encourage them to be there.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 5, 2017 16:49:13 GMT -6
We always encourage all the players to attend the awards night and tell them it's going to be a great night whether they were a star or a scout player. At the programs I've been in we always talk about every single kid, JV and varsity. Somebody puts a video together and every kid is included in it, whether they play a lot or a little. Every kid is acknowledged in some way. Still, there are always some kids that don't show up. In my experience, those kids are the turds that weren't really dedicated during the season so it's not surprising that they don't show up after the season. There's really not much you can do about it other than encourage them to be there. We've done the same thing in the past and still had quite a few kids skip out. The kids who were lettering and who were receiving some kind of honor(s) would show up but that was about it. We did a "Scout Team Player Of The Year" award one year in an effort to get those younger kids to show up but it didn't boost numbers by much. Only the coaches knew who was getting the awards so it was supposed to be a surprise for the kids but they really didn't care. This is an issue that I have seen becoming more and more prevalent in all sports these days. I s'pose the only thing you can do is win more games and boost moral.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:28:58 GMT -6
But dude, if you care about something, you might fail, and if you fail, that makes you vulnerable...So instead, we all pretend like we don't care about anything!
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Post by aceback76 on Dec 5, 2017 17:33:29 GMT -6
we had several guys not show up for Tha. annual awards night because "they weren't gettin nothing." what if anything would you do, how would you handle this? We stopped giving ANY awards, except the letter (monogram) itself. No "MVP", etc. At the END of their Senior year, everyone gets a beautiful plaque (with a color tin-type of the school monogram embossed upon it), with a list of ALL the teams they played on, and the years they played on EACH on it as well!
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Post by aceback76 on Dec 5, 2017 17:56:45 GMT -6
we had several guys not show up for Tha. annual awards night because "they weren't gettin nothing." what if anything would you do, how would you handle this? We stopped giving ANY awards, except the letter (monogram) itself. No "MVP", etc. At the END of their Senior year, everyone gets a beautiful plaque (with a color tin-type of the school monogram embossed upon it), with a list of ALL the teams they played on, and the years they played on EACH on it as well! The ONLY other thing we have done is: After they are awarded their FIRST monogram (in any sport), they do not get another. IF they win another, they get a small pin (football, baseball, etc.) that they can attach to the original letter. NO TROPHIES, etc.! NOTE: Cannot remember a player NOT attending a banquet!
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 5, 2017 18:37:32 GMT -6
Free food I assume... if you can't get a 15-18 year old to show up for free food... they don't care. Nothing you can do
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Post by 53 on Dec 5, 2017 19:02:19 GMT -6
Free food I assume... if you can't get a 15-18 year old to show up for free food... they don't care. Nothing you can do Free food and T shirt.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 5, 2017 19:16:03 GMT -6
Less kids and parents to bitch about not getting anything.
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Post by adawg2302 on Dec 5, 2017 23:52:27 GMT -6
Look on the bright side...goes a lot quicker!
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Post by rwb32497 on Dec 6, 2017 7:14:27 GMT -6
We had a problem with Seniors attending. We made a rule a few years ago that, Senior's must come to banquet in order to get their jersey.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 6, 2017 8:36:40 GMT -6
We had our banquet the other night. We had a few not attend for whatever reasons. Head coach just skips over them.
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Post by carookie on Dec 6, 2017 8:54:51 GMT -6
1- Kids knew who were getting the awards before the banquet? Or were these just kids who were certain they themselves werent getting an award?
In either case, I don't think I have ever seen this. I mean in addition to a nice dinner and at least an opportunity to be called up and be recognized while they get a certificate; there is the chance to hang out with teammates and friends, watch the coaches get a good natured ribbing, etc.
There always seem to be a few that miss, but I never had someone miss under protest of not winning an individual award
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Post by bigmoot on Dec 6, 2017 9:00:00 GMT -6
1- Kids knew who were getting the awards before the banquet? Or were these just kids who were certain they themselves werent getting an award? In either case, I don't think I have ever seen this. I mean in addition to a nice dinner and at least an opportunity to be called up and be recognized while they get a certificate; there is the chance to hang out with teammates and friends, watch the coaches get a good natured ribbing, etc. There always seem to be a few that miss, but I never had someone miss under protest of not winning an individual award Ones that assumed they weren't getting anything. selfish guys. maybe we need a cage of culture
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Post by silkyice on Dec 6, 2017 9:02:27 GMT -6
Why does anyone care if a kid misses the banquet?
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 6, 2017 9:10:40 GMT -6
We haven't given MVP's or MIP's for years. Takes the parents out of it. Like Ace, just letters and pins if they already had gotten a letter. I talk about each kid, though, and skip ones not there. There usually aren't many and if they just didn't come, I mentally catalog that for the future. We used to have a big deal meal at my previous school. This first year at this school was Pizza. They loved it. Every family brought a pizza or drinks or a dessert. Simple and quicker. Yea !!!!!!!!! (I hate banquets)
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Post by center on Dec 6, 2017 10:14:25 GMT -6
This is a problem with the culture of the program and the fact that the weight program was not demanding enough.
Some kids might have missed the 5:00 am speed/agility session even though they were in another sport at the time and had a game that night.
In fact I bet a kid missed a line on a sprint at some point this year.
Maybe you noticed some kids wore the wrong play wristband to the 3 hour Thursday pre-game practice/film session/team talk/team dinner/guest speaker session!!!
Maybe there was improper exercise selection in the weight program or the team slogan wore off the practice jerseys during the season.
Kidding of course. Kids miss the banquet at times. I personally would not pass up the big meal.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 6, 2017 13:00:57 GMT -6
One year as a head coach I canceled the banquet after a gang of parents made things toxic during the season. I refused to do anything that brought them into the same room as my coaches. I had a pizza party after school for the team and coaches and handed out the awards. When a grandparent asked me why I didn't have a banquet I told her it was because of people like her son treating the coaches, like trash. She said that was a real slap in the face to parents, and I said exactly. Now next time don't treat my coaching staff like the dirt your animals piss on.
As for the kids who skipped our banquet the other night. One was a starter but he had a hockey tournament far away. Another one skipped so much practice it was just par for the course he missed the banquet too. Why a kid would want to skip the banquet I don't know. It's catered. It's at the country club, and it's free food for them.
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 6, 2017 13:16:30 GMT -6
When we used to do certificates my job was the scan the crowd and pull the certs out of that stack if the kid didn't show up so we wouldn't announce his name...it was a hard job man. The spring we were all getting fired we had to organize the banquet and the parents (most of which were involved in running us out of town) wanted to run the banquet themselves and handle the awards and what not...my vote was to let 'em do it and just sit back and laugh at the 678 awards they came up with so that every snowflake would have something. Instead we just had the team vote on every award so they couldn't blame us for who got what and drove on with the stupid banquet, parents organized everything else....I could write a fairly lengthy post about that banquet, it was simply amazing.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 6, 2017 13:22:35 GMT -6
I had a dad refer to his son's skills as "similar to Denard Robinson" at a banquet once.
A mom once told me if I really loved her son he would have been first team all conference.
The final award of the evening was voted on by the coaches and their wives and goes to the most bat {censored} crazy parent of the year. The winner (again) is _______________.
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Post by gators41 on Dec 7, 2017 7:06:14 GMT -6
When we used to do certificates my job was the scan the crowd and pull the certs out of that stack if the kid didn't show up so we wouldn't announce his name...it was a hard job man. The spring we were all getting fired we had to organize the banquet and the parents (most of which were involved in running us out of town) wanted to run the banquet themselves and handle the awards and what not...my vote was to let 'em do it and just sit back and laugh at the 678 awards they came up with so that every snowflake would have something. Instead we just had the team vote on every award so they couldn't blame us for who got what and drove on with the stupid banquet, parents organized everything else....I could write a fairly lengthy post about that banquet, it was simply amazing. More......!!!!
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 7, 2017 10:28:39 GMT -6
alright....trying not to get too specific to stay anonymous...I know a lot of guys in my area read this board, and I've probably said some off the wall chit on here from time to time...but I'll do my best with the short version
we won a lot, but there were some parents with an axe to grind about the typical BS and the HC didn't play politics all that well figuring that he was winning enough to not have to kiss much a$$
another coach in the area has won some titles at a smaller school nearby (they are a small school with several D1 athletes) but because he's got the rings he is seen as a bit of a local legend, this dude (we will refer to him as "the legend") leaves the local school under weird circumstances...he then proceeds to take that season off from coaching, he spends that season hanging out and watching practice and ours and few other schools. Floating it out to people in those communities that he would be interested in those jobs if they were to magically come open.
when "the legend" was around, we joked constantly about how he was our next boss, we only thought we were joking
long story short...HC gets pushed out.......job is open but it's time for the banquet the parents treat us as if we have been beating these children and shouldn't be around them under any circumstances while the search for the new Head Coach is happening, but we all know it's going to be "the legend"....there isn't any doubt
so then some parents come up the grand Idea of turning the banquet into an opportunity to introduce the newly hired HC to the world...obviously we feel like this is bullcrap because it's supposed to be about the team we just had, not the new HC, so we complain to the superintendent, he's agrees but is spineless, so his solution is the tell the parents that the new HC won't be official in time for the banquet so just have a regular banquet...the parents decide to push the banquet back a full month so they can have their big reveal party as part of it...it was amazing
anyway..banquet night comes, normal years we did it in the cafeteria, no big deal....parents decide this one is special so they organize a black tie affair at a nice hotel in town...ugh...it's pretty emotional for a lot of the coaches who had been there a long time and all knew that we were getting replaced. A good percentage of the parents won't talk to us or even look at us. They put us all at table far away from everybody like we were lepers....I mean it was crazy
so they do all the awards and introductions and blah blah blah...then instead of a highlight video the moms do a "mom's" video of them asking questions of their players..and also the moms doing a choreographed hip hop dance..it contained more cringe than anybody had ever experienced in their lifetimes..I mean just bad..wish I had a copy...anyways...banquet part ends, and now comes the big introduction of "the legend"
only what people haven't realized yet..is that "the legend"...who they organized this entire shabang for...is a really really crappy public speaker. So he comes up and gives a talk....I've tried to remember it verbatim, but I'll hit the highlights here just so you get the gist
things that he said: he can bench press 300lbs he once played a baseball game with a broken jaw when they were in high school they ran 24 110's the day before a game we are no longer going to settle for just making the playoffs (we had been to the 3rd round or better the past 4 years) we are no longer going to play a soft non district schedule (that season we played two teams in non district that went to the state semi-finals)
...it was just unbelievable..one of nights where you think at any moment somebody is going to jump out with a camera and you find out it was all just a big practical joke
good news about the whole thing...we all moved on and got really good jobs at different places, and the team under him has yet to come close the success we had while we were there.....good freaking times
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Post by fkaboneyard on Dec 7, 2017 10:41:49 GMT -6
Fshamrock, that sounds awful. Glad you made it out of that dumpster fire.
We need another thread just for "Banquet Stories" - I know there are some doozies out there, I've even got a couple.
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 7, 2017 18:17:38 GMT -6
been there done that, I hate banquets, they should be outlawed,
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Post by **** on Dec 7, 2017 18:33:20 GMT -6
Who gives a flying fuk
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Post by carookie on Dec 7, 2017 20:14:19 GMT -6
alright....trying not to get too specific to stay anonymous...I know a lot of guys in my area read this board, and I've probably said some off the wall chit on here from time to time...but I'll do my best with the short version we won a lot, but there were some parents with an axe to grind about the typical BS and the HC didn't play politics all that well figuring that he was winning enough to not have to kiss much a$$ another coach in the area has won some titles at a smaller school nearby (they are a small school with several D1 athletes) but because he's got the rings he is seen as a bit of a local legend, this dude (we will refer to him as "the legend") leaves the local school under weird circumstances...he then proceeds to take that season off from coaching, he spends that season hanging out and watching practice and ours and few other schools. Floating it out to people in those communities that he would be interested in those jobs if they were to magically come open. when "the legend" was around, we joked constantly about how he was our next boss, we only thought we were joking long story short...HC gets pushed out.......job is open but it's time for the banquet the parents treat us as if we have been beating these children and shouldn't be around them under any circumstances while the search for the new Head Coach is happening, but we all know it's going to be "the legend"....there isn't any doubt so then some parents come up the grand Idea of turning the banquet into an opportunity to introduce the newly hired HC to the world...obviously we feel like this is bullcrap because it's supposed to be about the team we just had, not the new HC, so we complain to the superintendent, he's agrees but is spineless, so his solution is the tell the parents that the new HC won't be official in time for the banquet so just have a regular banquet...the parents decide to push the banquet back a full month so they can have their big reveal party as part of it...it was amazing anyway..banquet night comes, normal years we did it in the cafeteria, no big deal....parents decide this one is special so they organize a black tie affair at a nice hotel in town...ugh...it's pretty emotional for a lot of the coaches who had been there a long time and all knew that we were getting replaced. A good percentage of the parents won't talk to us or even look at us. They put us all at table far away from everybody like we were lepers....I mean it was crazy so they do all the awards and introductions and blah blah blah...then instead of a highlight video the moms do a "mom's" video of them asking questions of their players..and also the moms doing a choreographed hip hop dance..it contained more cringe than anybody had ever experienced in their lifetimes..I mean just bad..wish I had a copy...anyways...banquet part ends, and now comes the big introduction of "the legend" only what people haven't realized yet..is that "the legend"...who they organized this entire shabang for...is a really really crappy public speaker. So he comes up and gives a talk....I've tried to remember it verbatim, but I'll hit the highlights here just so you get the gist things that he said: he can bench press 300lbs he once played a baseball game with a broken jaw when they were in high school they ran 24 110's the day before a game we are no longer going to settle for just making the playoffs (we had been to the 3rd round or better the past 4 years) we are no longer going to play a soft non district schedule (that season we played two teams in non district that went to the state semi-finals) ...it was just unbelievable..one of nights where you think at any moment somebody is going to jump out with a camera and you find out it was all just a big practical joke good news about the whole thing...we all moved on and got really good jobs at different places, and the team under him has yet to come close the success we had while we were there.....good freaking times I've never been a part of a program where the parents organized the banquet, even the boosters had to answer to run it through the coaching staff. If the coaches organized it then they could've just said, "No" to all the shenanigans and did it right initially. You may have had low numbers, but you were out the door anyways and wouldn't have had to sit through the 'reveal party'.
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Post by adawg2302 on Dec 8, 2017 13:55:51 GMT -6
One year as a head coach I canceled the banquet after a gang of parents made things toxic during the season. I refused to do anything that brought them into the same room as my coaches. I had a pizza party after school for the team and coaches and handed out the awards. When a grandparent asked me why I didn't have a banquet I told her it was because of people like her son treating the coaches, like trash. She said that was a real slap in the face to parents, and I said exactly. Now next time don't treat my coaching staff like the dirt your animals piss on. As for the kids who skipped our banquet the other night. One was a starter but he had a hockey tournament far away. Another one skipped so much practice it was just par for the course he missed the banquet too. Why a kid would want to skip the banquet I don't know. It's catered. It's at the country club, and it's free food for them. The best "banquet" I ever had was a pizza party during lunchtime for a middle school basketball team. Was more intimate, let the kids socialize with each other, etc...Invited all the parents, obviously no one showed b/c it was at 12:00pm during the week. Wish we would do the same for high school football, although I understand why we don't. Best part about it was you had a bell to end the banquet!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 9, 2017 4:36:58 GMT -6
alright....trying not to get too specific to stay anonymous...I know a lot of guys in my area read this board, and I've probably said some off the wall chit on here from time to time...but I'll do my best with the short version we won a lot, but there were some parents with an axe to grind about the typical BS and the HC didn't play politics all that well figuring that he was winning enough to not have to kiss much a$$ another coach in the area has won some titles at a smaller school nearby (they are a small school with several D1 athletes) but because he's got the rings he is seen as a bit of a local legend, this dude (we will refer to him as "the legend") leaves the local school under weird circumstances...he then proceeds to take that season off from coaching, he spends that season hanging out and watching practice and ours and few other schools. Floating it out to people in those communities that he would be interested in those jobs if they were to magically come open. when "the legend" was around, we joked constantly about how he was our next boss, we only thought we were joking long story short...HC gets pushed out.......job is open but it's time for the banquet the parents treat us as if we have been beating these children and shouldn't be around them under any circumstances while the search for the new Head Coach is happening, but we all know it's going to be "the legend"....there isn't any doubt so then some parents come up the grand Idea of turning the banquet into an opportunity to introduce the newly hired HC to the world...obviously we feel like this is bullcrap because it's supposed to be about the team we just had, not the new HC, so we complain to the superintendent, he's agrees but is spineless, so his solution is the tell the parents that the new HC won't be official in time for the banquet so just have a regular banquet...the parents decide to push the banquet back a full month so they can have their big reveal party as part of it...it was amazing anyway..banquet night comes, normal years we did it in the cafeteria, no big deal....parents decide this one is special so they organize a black tie affair at a nice hotel in town...ugh...it's pretty emotional for a lot of the coaches who had been there a long time and all knew that we were getting replaced. A good percentage of the parents won't talk to us or even look at us. They put us all at table far away from everybody like we were lepers....I mean it was crazy so they do all the awards and introductions and blah blah blah...then instead of a highlight video the moms do a "mom's" video of them asking questions of their players..and also the moms doing a choreographed hip hop dance..it contained more cringe than anybody had ever experienced in their lifetimes..I mean just bad..wish I had a copy...anyways...banquet part ends, and now comes the big introduction of "the legend" only what people haven't realized yet..is that "the legend"...who they organized this entire shabang for...is a really really crappy public speaker. So he comes up and gives a talk....I've tried to remember it verbatim, but I'll hit the highlights here just so you get the gist things that he said: he can bench press 300lbs he once played a baseball game with a broken jaw when they were in high school they ran 24 110's the day before a game we are no longer going to settle for just making the playoffs (we had been to the 3rd round or better the past 4 years) we are no longer going to play a soft non district schedule (that season we played two teams in non district that went to the state semi-finals) ...it was just unbelievable..one of nights where you think at any moment somebody is going to jump out with a camera and you find out it was all just a big practical joke good news about the whole thing...we all moved on and got really good jobs at different places, and the team under him has yet to come close the success we had while we were there.....good freaking times I've never been a part of a program where the parents organized the banquet, even the boosters had to answer to run it through the coaching staff. If the coaches organized it then they could've just said, "No" to all the shenanigans and did it right initially. You may have had low numbers, but you were out the door anyways and wouldn't have had to sit through the 'reveal party'. True, but what a great story! Sometimes it's fun to just sit back and watch a sh1tshow, especially when you know you aren't going to be a part of it!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 9, 2017 4:41:36 GMT -6
alright....trying not to get too specific to stay anonymous...I know a lot of guys in my area read this board, and I've probably said some off the wall chit on here from time to time...but I'll do my best with the short version we won a lot, but there were some parents with an axe to grind about the typical BS and the HC didn't play politics all that well figuring that he was winning enough to not have to kiss much a$$ another coach in the area has won some titles at a smaller school nearby (they are a small school with several D1 athletes) but because he's got the rings he is seen as a bit of a local legend, this dude (we will refer to him as "the legend") leaves the local school under weird circumstances...he then proceeds to take that season off from coaching, he spends that season hanging out and watching practice and ours and few other schools. Floating it out to people in those communities that he would be interested in those jobs if they were to magically come open. when "the legend" was around, we joked constantly about how he was our next boss, we only thought we were joking long story short...HC gets pushed out.......job is open but it's time for the banquet the parents treat us as if we have been beating these children and shouldn't be around them under any circumstances while the search for the new Head Coach is happening, but we all know it's going to be "the legend"....there isn't any doubt so then some parents come up the grand Idea of turning the banquet into an opportunity to introduce the newly hired HC to the world...obviously we feel like this is bullcrap because it's supposed to be about the team we just had, not the new HC, so we complain to the superintendent, he's agrees but is spineless, so his solution is the tell the parents that the new HC won't be official in time for the banquet so just have a regular banquet...the parents decide to push the banquet back a full month so they can have their big reveal party as part of it...it was amazing anyway..banquet night comes, normal years we did it in the cafeteria, no big deal....parents decide this one is special so they organize a black tie affair at a nice hotel in town...ugh...it's pretty emotional for a lot of the coaches who had been there a long time and all knew that we were getting replaced. A good percentage of the parents won't talk to us or even look at us. They put us all at table far away from everybody like we were lepers....I mean it was crazy so they do all the awards and introductions and blah blah blah...then instead of a highlight video the moms do a "mom's" video of them asking questions of their players..and also the moms doing a choreographed hip hop dance..it contained more cringe than anybody had ever experienced in their lifetimes..I mean just bad..wish I had a copy...anyways...banquet part ends, and now comes the big introduction of "the legend" only what people haven't realized yet..is that "the legend"...who they organized this entire shabang for...is a really really crappy public speaker. So he comes up and gives a talk....I've tried to remember it verbatim, but I'll hit the highlights here just so you get the gist things that he said: he can bench press 300lbs he once played a baseball game with a broken jaw when they were in high school they ran 24 110's the day before a game we are no longer going to settle for just making the playoffs (we had been to the 3rd round or better the past 4 years) we are no longer going to play a soft non district schedule (that season we played two teams in non district that went to the state semi-finals) ...it was just unbelievable..one of nights where you think at any moment somebody is going to jump out with a camera and you find out it was all just a big practical joke good news about the whole thing...we all moved on and got really good jobs at different places, and the team under him has yet to come close the success we had while we were there.....good freaking times That's an all-timer, Coach!
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