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Post by bj88smc on Jul 29, 2006 6:35:57 GMT -6
I was hired in spring at the private school that had never had football before. Went out recruited the school very hard, had 33 kids attend all spring meetings
During spring practice we had 23 kids out. Over summer, several kids left school.
On Friday, I had only 19 kids get gear.
Is it crazy to go into a season with less than 20 kids?
Thanks, bj88smc
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Post by blb on Jul 29, 2006 6:39:57 GMT -6
What is your level of competition - i.e. will you be playing schools of similar size?
Is it possible, since it is the school's first year sponsoring the sport, to play a JV schedule and build up to a varsity schedule next year?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 29, 2006 7:02:00 GMT -6
crazy? No... it happens at lots of places. Crazy to think you will be successful...probably so. Your overarching goal must be program development...AND yes i agree with blb. I would try your damndest to play a JV type schedule. Nothing will stunt the program development more than having everyone witness the those 19 getting crushed on a weekly basis.
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Post by chiefscoach on Jul 29, 2006 8:47:01 GMT -6
Well, I think you should march forward with it and play a season and who knows maybe you will get a good number of freshman that will be willing to come out once school starts. They probably won't do you alot of good as far as helping you win this season but they will give you bodies that will also give you depth. And if you league is small and full of schools similar to yours you may have a freshman or 2 that can come in and play significant time for you by early to mid season. It's a hard situation no doubt but just coach em up and try to make progress. Teams in their first year always struggle even if they have 40 kids. Start building the program. Emphasize conditioning because almost all your boys will be playing both ways and get your offense and defense in and begin establishing the concepts that you want. It's gonig to be a long process but get as much as you can done this year. Get the parents involved and tell the kids to ask thier friends to come out. In time you will have kids coming out and the young guys that had to play early will benefit and come thier Junior and Senior year you will know what kind of heart they have and they should have a great knowledge of what you are trying to accomplish. Hope this is some kind of help to you coach. Good Luck I really hope things go well for you.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 29, 2006 9:19:34 GMT -6
Where you at in Florida bj? I've been there myself and agree with the other posts. Get out and continue to sell the program. Coach the heck out of those 19 and let them know how important this first year is (win or lose!). Establish your "Traditions" whether it's slapping the rock or composing the victory song, you've got a great opportunity to start things off right. Yes we all want to win on the scoreboard, but there are many other ways to "win".
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Post by chiefscoach on Jul 29, 2006 9:23:08 GMT -6
Yeah I hadn't even noticed you were from florida bj. Now I want you to do even better! lol. It's about time we had some more florida coaches besides me and fbdoc around here. Again good luck coach.
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Post by toprowguy on Jul 29, 2006 9:50:15 GMT -6
Keep recruiting the school once school starts, try to get new kids to come out. Try to get a large number of freshmen out there.
But must important make it fun for the kids you have. If it is fun for them then more kids will want to join.
Think long term.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Jul 29, 2006 10:41:39 GMT -6
Like others have said, think long term. Don't lose sight of what you will need to be successful year after year. Some of the best advice I ever received about starting out in a difficult situation is that "You may have to lose some battles so you can win the war." By that I mean stick to your guns and what you believe in and success will follow.
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Post by firebird on Jul 29, 2006 11:23:10 GMT -6
I feel for you brother!!!
I was in the same situation a year ago with a small public school. We are a unified district that has been an elementary district for 40+ years and decided to go unified and build their own high school. Because of the excitement, the admin decided to go varsity the 1st year year instead of playing a JV schedule for the first couple of years.
We basically had 19 full-time players, no JV or frosh teams, no seniors and only 5 jr's. 1st 3 games we got destroyed. The rest of the season we held our own and played most of the games very close, but only won 1 (going 1-8). Honestly, and I not trying to blow my own horn, but this is the 1st losing season I was ever affiliated with. I have been part of 2 state championships, 2 runner-ups, and a number of semi-final teams. I can tell you this, I learned more from this season than from all of my other ones combined. You really find out if you have the toughness that you are asking of your players when you give up 60 points in a half.
One of the advantages that I have this season is that I have everyone back from last season, plus we have added a number of players that I was able to connect with during weights/PE class during the year that will be out and help us greatly. Another advantage is that everyone on the team saw significant minutes last season. Because of this, enthusiasm and weight room attendance has been great this year and I have a number of sophmores and juniors played a lot of varsity minutes as frosh/soph's last season. This will play dividends down the road.
Advice: 1. Approach this as building a program, not a season. Emphasize conditioning, weights, speed work, flexibility, etc. to your players. Work to gain their trust and make sure they understand how hard it is and how much they have to put into being a quality player and team.
2. Cut down on the X's and O's and focus on technique. This is a huge mistake I made last season. I went in trying to install my normal playbook, and the kids couldn't handle it. After 3 games of getting pummeled, we cut down to approx. 9-10 offensive plays from 1-2 formations and repped the heck out of it. It was then that we began to move the football. In fact we had over 400 yards of offense 5 times last season after we did this. We failed to correct this problem on defense though and continued to run a number of fronts, coverages and blitzes. I would suggest finding one front, 1-2 coverages and rep the heck out of technique. You can always add to the package as you become comfortable with what you are doing. Rep technique, technique, technique. Learn to block and tackle with the best of them. X's and O's really don't matter if you can't do this.
3. Surround yourself with the best people possible. Make sure they are dedicated to the vision you have and are willing to learn. Make sure that they are dedicated to the program and most importantly the kids. Don't be intimidated if you have a coach that may know more than you about the game or a certain aspect of the game. Remember that "A people surround themselves with A people. C people surround themselves with D and F people so that they look and feel better about themselves." -Bill Gates.
4. Keep an even keel and accentuate the positive. It is hard to take a whipping on the field and try to accentuate the positive things you did. The reality is that you are probably going to be bad for a couple of seasons until you get the program in place. Look at it as steps on the ladder and work as hard as you can to get to the top. Don't be as concered about the present as you would be in an established program.
5. Be as involved in the school as possible. Show every teacher, admin, and student: guy, girl, stud athlete, tuba player, track star, volleyball or softball player, that you truly care about them and their life. This will help to bring them over to your camp, bulding a fan base and hopefully getting those non-football players over into your program. THIS IS CRUCIAL AT A SMALL SCHOOL.
6. Work hard to get your players involved in other programs. Show the other coaches that you support their programs. Better still become an assistant or even head for another sport: wrestlers and track sprinters make great football players. Basketball and baseball are great for hand/eye coordination. Get these coaches on your side and scheduling summer workouts and sharing athletes will be much easier for you. Nothing is worse than working with a coach who only wants his athletes to play his sport, especially when you have a student body under 400 or so.
7. Get some sort of feeder program in place. Whether it is Pop-Warner, a middle school program, or whatever. Make sure to have a couple of dedicated coaches (parents, teachers, etc.) At this point, I don't know how important it is to have them run your system (although eventually you want this), but you must get those youngsters blocking, tackling, learning to love contact, and just getting enthusiastic about the game. The coaches don't have to be great just willing to learn and dedicated to the kids. You will need to be involved at least in the training of the coaches.
There are a thousand other things, but this is what we have focused on. We are entering season #2 and are leaps and bounds beyond what we were last year.
Sorry about the length of the post. Good luck to you, and I hope at least some of my advice has helped.
Coach Maxwell
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 29, 2006 12:22:43 GMT -6
A lot of good responses here... but I'll add what I can:
Is it crazy to go into a season with less than 20 kids?
Yes... but we all do crazy things. We had 15 in 2003... and 2 were injured before the first game (1 came back for the last regular season game)... so we played most of the year with 13 (8 man football... so about the same ratio).
Practice is tough- it is hard to simulate much for scout team when you are 3 guys short.
We had to do 1/2 line, pass skelly (as a team), inside drill (again, as a team) and run through plays with coaches/managers aligned as offensive players.
I would say that #s alone do not indicate success in the W-L column. We were 7-4 that year. My senior year in HS (class 5A school) the state champion in Class 5A was from our conference. They had 19 on their team (their opponent in the championship game dressed 140+), and won the state championship 47-8 (still one of the best stories in Colorado HS football history). Of course these are rare exceptions... we have a long playoff history (just not many boys... or even students in school anymore) and the state champ with 19 guys had (I think) 6 D1 players, and 15 (of 19) who played college football.
Low #s and new program... will be a tough year, but you can look at it as the foundation to the future. The 19 guys are the base of that foundation. Instill as much pride in that aspect as you can. Have weekly goals that are reachable.
Looking at your schedule- are there similar schools? Are there winnable games? Looking at that should help determine appropriate goals.
Good luck coach. I've been there, it is tough... but a lot of times those are very fun years.
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Post by bj88smc on Jul 29, 2006 14:42:38 GMT -6
Thank you to everyone for the advice.
Just to give you some more information...I've got 7 rising seniors who have played football at other schools before, 1 has already committed to a SEC school, so I do have some talent.
So, since we've got Seniors, we've got a Varsity schedule against all similarly sized schools (1A/1B-which in Florida is the smallest you can get). Our scrimage and only 1 game is against schools from a higher division (2A).
I had originally scheduled 6 games. However, once we went public with our announcement about starting football, several more schools called and my "excited" AD schedule all comers.
After the comments, I feel much better heading into fall practice on Monday. When I came on board in January, I started the S & C program, attempted to befriend all the staff and parents, generally most of the advice you guys have given me. My staff is very loyal (all on campus thanks to Admin) and we're in the process of building a new gym. It's just that the numbers scared the hell out of me.
Again, Coaches, thanks for the opinions, I'll let you know how we're doing throughout the season, good luck to all of you in fall.
bj
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 29, 2006 17:23:42 GMT -6
Coach, given your last post it sounds like you guys should be fine... It seems kind of like our '03 team. One thing that I re-learned after coming back to small school football- 1 injury might shuffle around 3 guys. Last year we had both CBs go out with season ending injuries in the same quarter. After the first one went out, we put in a soph. who was his back-up on O and D. When the second one went out, we had to move a LB to Corner, move a DE to LB and put in a new DE- on offense we had to move a TE to G (the other corner was a guard on offense... gotta love small school personnel weirdness) and bring in a new TE. It is tough (impossible) to practice all those scenarios... but we still make an effort to take every player out of the lineup for a few plays at least every 2 weeks so we can adapt (and so we know how to adapt).
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Post by firebird on Jul 29, 2006 17:38:33 GMT -6
It looks like you are on the right track coach! Good luck to you and your new program. One good thing about starting a new program fresh is that you get to leave your personal stamp on it.
Again, best of luck to you!!!
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